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franconp
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(Yesterday, 11:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sophia

Jesus ****, Fran. Read

I still don't see it. And if anything it doesnt' seem coordinated at all:

Nomadic ask first:

Originally Posted by Nomadic Sparks

Sophia please explain your non vote?

Natiko voted:

Originally Posted by Natiko

Most of the vote movement at EOD came from people confused about the vote count and just trying to make sure it wasn't a tie. I don't find this particularly indicative of alignment, in fact to take it a step further I got the impression that scum wasn't at risk - just look at all the people with no active votes. Makes me inclined to look elsewhere.

VOTE: CrimsonFist

All that talk day one and yet you two evaporated. What happened?

Ty4on also with a bad look coming out of day one. You sure did make a point to talk down on the different lynch candidates all while parking your vote elsewhere. It's almost like you knew what the results would be, hmm..

You answered:

Originally Posted by Sophia

I wasn't here for the final day:



If you must know, I was busy carrying a bunch of junk in the rain while a bunch of police officers watched on as an angry man screamed at them. I barely had time to look at the thread or lovers chat.

Natiko keeps pushing the discussion forward:

Originally Posted by Natiko

Yet you never did place a vote. It's not as if there's some rule that states your vote must occur right near day end.

Nomadic drops it and change his vote:

[QUOTE=Nomadic Sparks;245619496]

Originally Posted by Natiko

Most of the vote movement at EOD came from people confused about the vote count and just trying to make sure it wasn't a tie. I don't find this particularly indicative of alignment, in fact to take it a step further I got the impression that scum wasn't at risk - just look at all the people with no active votes. Makes me inclined to look elsewhere.

VOTE: CrimsonFist

All that talk day one and yet you two evaporated. What happened?

Ty4on also with a bad look coming out of day one. You sure did make a point to talk down on the different lynch candidates all while parking your vote elsewhere. It's almost like you knew what the results would be, hmm..[/QUOTE]

Vote: Ty40n

for now....

Natiko keeps going:

Originally Posted by Natiko

???

And as to you, would you say you were an active participant in discussions as the day concluded? Would you say that you demonstrated any real interest in what the day end result would be?

Namadic suddenly trust both you:

Originally Posted by Nomadic Sparks

I'm going to trust CrimsonSophia for now

After this both Natiko and you keep discussing about this in not friendly terms for a couple of more posts (I didn't want to quote all to not make this post too large).

I just not see how that can called coordinated. Nomadic just jumped out of his vote really quickly but Natiko kept pushing the discussion forward.
Natiko
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Who's on your scum list Fran?
Dr. Worm
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(Yesterday, 11:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sophia

Curiously, why only maybe on Xbro/Kark?

I kinda sorta buy into Flush_monkey's assessment on their reaction to silence, and I kinda sorta buy Kark's argument on Trig4on
franconp
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(Yesterday, 11:31 PM)
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I'm looking back at the vote on D2 after all the flips and have some doubts:

DAY 2 FINAL VOTE TALLY:

kitsunelaine & flatearthpandas (9)
Ty4on 1893
franconp 2119
WhereAreMahDragonz 2278 TOWN
CrimsonFist 2351
Sophia 2411
Sorian 2544
nin1000 2551 TOWN
Trigger 2559
Xbro 2561

Sawneeks & Sorian (5)
flatearthpandas 2393 SCUM
Ourobolus 2435 TOWN
Darryl 2472 TOWN
Royal_Flush 2546
Verelios 2563 TOWN

Ourobolus & kingkitty (3)
Nomadic Sparks 2269
Sawneeks 2405
StarSketch 2564 TOWN

Darryl & nin1000 (2)
Muffin1611 2307
Samuraischnecke 2439

Trigger & Ty4on (2)
Natiko 1933
Karkador 2514

franconp & Dr. Worm (1)
kitsunelaine 2066 SCUM


Xbro & Karkador (1)
kingkitty 2321 TOWN

No active vote for Day 2: TsuXna, CzarTim, Dr. Worm (has previously voted)

This is the vote for D2 with all the aligments that we already know. Looking at that is most likely that there was some bussing on FEP/Kitsune. Or at least not a solid effort to save them. The other pair in the chopping block was Ouro/Kitty and most of the vote there was town. Besides FEP and Royal (who we still don't know the aligment) all of the rest are confirmed townies. Royal can you explain your vote there? If there was an attempt to save FEP/Kitsune has to be your vote there. Your vote made Kitsune/FEP with 6 vs Sorian/Sawneeks with 5 with 6 minutes left before deadline.

Sawneeks vote is also interesting. She voted Ouro to tie Kitsune. This vote was early and there was still lot of time left until deadline. Why didn't you move your vote when they weren't gaining any traction?

Both Muffin and Samurai voted Darryl and parked their vote there. Not much to do when both of them aren't here.

Natiko also made an early vote and parked it. Kark vote kinda make me feel better about him. He made a vote on Ty half and hour before day end and left it there even when there was no traction on that lynch. He posted several time after that (his last post was 5 minutes before day end). Also in his post he says that he prefer to see and Kitsune lynch than an Ouro lynch. This is a dangerous statement to do if you are scum. It prevents you to try to save your partner if you have the chance.

After that there is not much else. Kitsune voted for us. KK voted for Kark and he was town. Tsuna and Czar didn't posted and were replaced. I already know Dr. Worm aligment so I don't need to analize his vote.
hey_monkey
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I dunno when Flush will be back but I know he's talked about that vote here and also in our chat. Mentioned it above too. He scumread XKark and so voted there and then silenced them. I would not have agreed had I been here I think but he was consistent and I know at the time had some uncertainty because in the chat he lamented the absence of a partner to discuss it with.

I'm sorry to answer for him but we are in way different time zones and I'm not sure when he goes inactive for the night but this is what I know and I'm sure he will clarify for you if you have questions or if I got something wrong.
franconp
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(Yesterday, 11:54 PM)
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Looking at Kitsune's votes. I wont' add mine as I see no point to it. I already know my aligmetn. Besides that it's pretty obvious why I voted for them:

Originally Posted by Ty4on

That was was I posted in the boat, then afterwards discussed it with Trigger that you looked kinda townie with your first arguments before Fat's attack. I'm not quite sure how far up you are now, but you're higher up.

I was playing around in my head with a scum team where you got paired with lower activity/weaker/scum read players and that much of the fight was desperation from you. I was bothered by not getting anything townie reading that fight.

With three hypothetical teams I wanted to push something down, but it looks like I have to choose something higher up.

Anywho
VOTE: kitsunelaine
Trigger got me to reread a bit and while kitsune came out slightly better it's not enough to make me vote for anyone else. I haven't read FEP as closely, but nothing feels like scum couldn't do it.

Kitsune seems to struggle to read people, but she didn't have much of a problem going all out attacking Dragonz. It feels forced.
He read of Worthy yesterday is maybe the best post I've seen from her, but still very observational and "easy". I can't quite see the townie behind the post trying to make sense of it if that makes sense.

This was an early vote. Ty parked the vote there. It's mostly related to the WAMD vs Kitsune. Ty also voted for Kitsune day 1. Looking it like this it could easily be scum busing a partner.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFist

Sorry, busy today and I won't be around for day end.

Vote: Kitsunelaine

Crimson voted here without much explanation. Looking back some posts he didn't adressed much about Kitsune before the vote. There were just a couple of light questions but never a real interest. His jumping on the lynch is weird.

Originally Posted by Sophia

Voting with my partner for now.

Vote: Kitsunelaine

Sophia votes after that and she claims that she is voting with her partner. Sophia did try to engage in a discussion with Kitsune. This vote is a little bit better than the one before.

Originally Posted by Sorian

Bah, fucking dozed off. Glad I set an alarm just in case.

VOTE: kitsunelaine

Not dying for this shit play scum.

Sorian claims self preservation. At the time of the vote was Kitsune 5 Sorian 4 so it's logic. This vote is NAI. Sorian went pretty hard on Kitsune and FEP but also tried to get Ouro lynched.

After this Nin voted and made a difference of 7-5

Originally Posted by Trigger

Vote:kitsunelaine

I'm pretty comfortable with this option.

Trigger never adressed Kitsune or FEP. He also kinda jumps on the vote. At that point it was 7-5 with 3 minutes left in the clock. If scum hoped to save Kitsune this would be the time to do it.

Originally Posted by Xbro

From what I've seen today I have a scum lean on kitfep, but null on Sorian(mostly because I don't know his meta)

I'd rather vote for the scum lean I have.


vote: kitsunelaine

Xbro also jumped on the lynch without talking about Kitsune before. This was the last vote almost at the same time as Trigger. At this point the lynch was a done deal so it can be an easy bus.

To me the most likely bus there are Crimsophia votes or Xbro vote. Ty could be an early bus but Trigger vote seems less likely as a bus (unless Sorian is scum and they just decided to lynch the one with the worst role).
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Originally Posted by franconp

Xbro also jumped on the lynch without talking about Kitsune before. This was the last vote almost at the same time as Trigger. At this point the lynch was a done deal so it can be an easy bus.

Actually I did mention kitsune earlier. This post:

Originally Posted by Xbro

That seems more like scum pulling a random player(or group in this case) to give a read on then anything else.

is where I mentioned the scum lean prior.
franconp
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(Today, 12:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Natiko

Who's on your scum list Fran?

Right now I don't have solid read on anyone. I find your partner scummy as he is trying really hard to not participate in any discussion. He seems extremely cautious for a townie.

Crimsophia is bugging me lately. They started really strong but lost force during the game. Right now Sophia is just jumping around and changing her reads and throwing shade around but it doesn't seem like scumhunting at all. Crimson kinda progressively dissapeared. He was very strong at the start but I can't remember anything about him after D2.

Racorhs is also playing really weak. I don't think they have said anything important in the game so far. The previous pair was also suspicious but the way they dropped the game looks more as frustrated townie than scum. But that's the only thing that I find kinda townie there, not enought to not scum read them.
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Originally Posted by franconp

Royal can you explain your vote there? If there was an attempt to save FEP/Kitsune has to be your vote there. Your vote made Kitsune/FEP with 6 vs Sorian/Sawneeks with 5 with 6 minutes left before deadline.

I feel like I explained this at least five times already. If you read the posts before the vote you'll see that I've been doubting everything and everybody. I had no clue what was the better lynch. So I "played the Sorian" by bringing the vote close to a tie. The motivation was the same that Sorian gave for his vote on Orb on D1, namely to force more people to vote.
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Originally Posted by franconp

Looking at Kitsune's votes. I wont' add mine as I see no point to it. I already know my aligmetn. Besides that it's pretty obvious why I voted for them:



This was an early vote. Ty parked the vote there. It's mostly related to the WAMD vs Kitsune. Ty also voted for Kitsune day 1. Looking it like this it could easily be scum busing a partner.



Crimson voted here without much explanation. Looking back some posts he didn't adressed much about Kitsune before the vote. There were just a couple of light questions but never a real interest. His jumping on the lynch is weird.



Sophia votes after that and she claims that she is voting with her partner. Sophia did try to engage in a discussion with Kitsune. This vote is a little bit better than the one before.



Sorian claims self preservation. At the time of the vote was Kitsune 5 Sorian 4 so it's logic. This vote is NAI. Sorian went pretty hard on Kitsune and FEP but also tried to get Ouro lynched.

After this Nin voted and made a difference of 7-5



Trigger never adressed Kitsune or FEP. He also kinda jumps on the vote. At that point it was 7-5 with 3 minutes left in the clock. If scum hoped to save Kitsune this would be the time to do it.



Xbro also jumped on the lynch without talking about Kitsune before. This was the last vote almost at the same time as Trigger. At this point the lynch was a done deal so it can be an easy bus.

To me the most likely bus there are Crimsophia votes or Xbro vote. Ty could be an early bus but Trigger vote seems less likely as a bus (unless Sorian is scum and they just decided to lynch the one with the worst role).

A bit late to the party, but you came to essentially the same exact conclusion I did when I did this analysis and came in and voted for Sophia/Crimson D4 lol

Originally Posted by franconp

Right now I don't have solid read on anyone. I find your partner scummy as he is trying really hard to not participate in any discussion. He seems extremely cautious for a townie.

Crimsophia is bugging me lately. They started really strong but lost force during the game. Right now Sophia is just jumping around and changing her reads and throwing shade around but it doesn't seem like scumhunting at all. Crimson kinda progressively dissapeared. He was very strong at the start but I can't remember anything about him after D2.

Racorhs is also playing really weak. I don't think they have said anything important in the game so far. The previous pair was also suspicious but the way they dropped the game looks more as frustrated townie than scum. But that's the only thing that I find kinda townie there, not enought to not scum read them.

Huh, didn't think I'd ever see nomad's unique style of play described as cautious.


Sorian/Sawneeks - who do you scumread beyond rac/acohrs? You may have said already and I forgot.
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Originally Posted by Xbro

Actually I did mention kitsune earlier. This post:

is where I mentioned the scum lean prior.

I missed that one.

Originally Posted by Royal_Flush

I feel like I explained this at least five times already. If you read the posts before the vote you'll see that I've been doubting everything and everybody. I had no clue what was the better lynch. So I "played the Sorian" by bringing the vote close to a tie. The motivation was the same that Sorian gave for his vote on Orb on D1, namely to force more people to vote.

I already read that explanation but I still don't like the vote.

Originally Posted by Natiko

A bit late to the party, but you came to essentially the same exact conclusion I did when I did this analysis and came in and voted for Sophia/Crimson D4 lol


Huh, didn't think I'd ever see nomad's unique style of play described as cautious.


Sorian/Sawneeks - who do you scumread beyond rac/acohrs? You may have said already and I forgot.

I don't know if cautious is the word. I just think that he is avoiding any kind of confrontation. He comes, makes a few posts but never answer any question. Everytime someone tried to engage in a discussion with him he just keep going with his weird posts.

I feel better about you but if I learned anything about Persona is that I don't trust you.
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Originally Posted by hey_monkey

Re: Nomadic Sparks: He's been in several games, but not full games, and yes, he plays like this to a point - very cryptic, doesn't answer questions, etc. However, I will say this, since today I'm going to be very tinfoil hat and try to push guesses to conclusions to see what might stick: this constant reshuffling of details and demand for repetition and forgetting of who's dead and who isn't starts to look like a schtick after a while. Like it's there to create chaos. It makes a good balance against Natiko.

Now, do I think it's purposeful? I don't know. Feels like a stretch. But it gets easy for us all to write Nomadic off as "just playing that way," too.

But he does just play that way. Just like Star just plays her own way. That was kind of the point of yesterday. Don't think I quoted anymore from the Nomadic saga but as frustrating as he is being, bored townie is very clearly the answer.

Originally Posted by franconp

It's not like it "sucked". We can confirm that RoyalMonkey targeted Ouro and that Darrin targeted Sorian yesterday. We just didn't caught scum red-handed. And we didn't claim before because we still had shots left.

Besides that, Didn't you just threw shade on Nomadic?

I'm surprised no one else quoted this. You realize you don't really confirm either of those things? We already knew Flush silenced Ouro, that isn't new and you could just be copying info from the thread and saying that Darryl targeted me to be lynched is probably the most believable observation to make ever.

Originally Posted by Karkador

That reminds me, if Sorian and Royal are hypothetically part of one scum team, I have a lot of trouble believing that they'd pick the same target in one night (Ouro). So I don't think scum would be both pairs. Sorian has definitely had the less-believable claim, and I've no idea why people are giving it such a Town pass.

Are you insinuating that I haven't been blocking the people I said I have or just less believable in terms of alignment? I understand the second but you can't seriously be trying to still throw that weird shade pretending that I didn't really block Ouro two nights in a row.

Originally Posted by Natiko

If this is mylo I'll never forgive you all lol

Okay..and if they don't have to setup a lynch on you because there are already multiple people stating they will lynch you just for surviving.......why would they vote for you with such wish wash reasoning instead of just blending in with the crowd? Why does scum diverge from the pack there if, as you said, you will be lynched just for surviving even if they do nothing? The arguments you and Sorian are presenting for rac/acohrs continue to feel weak.

I still see no world where Burb put four scum in the game. Four is the number I would try to fear monger on town if I was scum or neutral, that's what I did in Arkham (not saying you're scum, more saying that I usually have a good count for this type of thing).

Originally Posted by rac

hell of a way to not gain any attention, vote for a claimed rb

good thing you added the xbro/kark part because look at that you and sorian didn't have a vote on star/ab either

Yes, but we both commented our thoughts on Star/AB, I don't think you did?

Originally Posted by Royal_Flush

I feel like I explained this at least five times already. If you read the posts before the vote you'll see that I've been doubting everything and everybody. I had no clue what was the better lynch. So I "played the Sorian" by bringing the vote close to a tie. The motivation was the same that Sorian gave for his vote on Orb on D1, namely to force more people to vote.

Not game related but it's really a good strategy, more people should do it.
Anything to foster more votes from this community is A+.
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If there are only three scum boats total then either Sorian/Sawneeks isn't town, Fran/Work aren't town, or scum have two really good roles left that we've seen zero sign of.
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Originally Posted by Sorian


Yes, but we both commented our thoughts on Star/AB, I don't think you did?
[/SPOILER]

they seemed like really nice people

Vote: Sorian
Sorian
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Originally Posted by Natiko

If there are only three scum boats total then either Sorian/Sawneeks isn't town, Fran/Work aren't town, or scum have two really good roles left that we've seen zero sign of.

Role cop looks likely imo.
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Originally Posted by Sorian

Role cop looks likely imo.

I'm not sure that role cop off sets a town roleblock, a tracker, a virgin that can't be disabled by scum, a silencer, whatever Darryl would be classified as, and a mailman.
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DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

hey_monkey & Royal_Flush (2)
acohrs 4234
Nomadic Sparks 4245

rac & acohrs (2)
Sawneeks 4091
Sorian 4098

No Lynch (1)
Natiko 4233

Sawneeks & Sorian (1)
rac 4264

Xbro & Karkador (1)
Ty4on 4235

Natiko & Nomadic Sparks (1)
franconp 4165

No active vote for Day 5: CrimsonFist, Dr. Worm, hey_monkey, Karkador, Royal_Flush (has previously voted), Sophia, Trigger, Xbro

Day 5 Postcount: acohrs 24, CrimsonFist 11, Dr. Worm 12, franconp 23, hey_monkey 32, Karkador 7, Natiko 25, Nomadic Sparks 22, rac 10, Royal_Flush 13, Sawneeks 11, Sophia 31, Sorian 23, Trigger 5, Ty4on 33, Xbro 11


Day 5 ends:

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