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Billen · Oct 29, 2013

It will be interesting to see if other games show similar discrepancies. The differences on a technical level are huge (I mean 50%...seriously), which is also clearly visible when it comes to jaggies etc.

I wonder how much of this is attributable to pure performance, and due to less time spent with the Xbox One (if that is the case) or it's potentially moved release schedule.

Kazuma Kiryu · Oct 29, 2013

Caelc said:
give me a break. They were fairly close to each other in jaggies. Don't over-exaggerate things, makes you look like a fool.

Caelc said:
but, many people would rather that than the blurry image on the ps4 version. PS4 looks like it has film over it.

Starting out strong...

Maninthemirror · Oct 29, 2013

PaNaMa said:
Just watched the IGN video too:
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison

The XBONE version has a crisper image, again. PS4 has a blur filter going on.
I don't know if it's FXAA or the upscaler.

PS4 fan here, and but XBOne has a much nicer image. It's just cleaner. Less muddy/blurry. In every video I've watched, multiple sources.

Lol
What

shinra-bansho · Oct 29, 2013

BruceLeeRoy said:
So we basically have this going on:

XBone is clearly superior.

OMG, I thought I was getting sudden massive cataracts when I looked at the "PS4" image. Look at those colours pop in that last one though.

Has anything interesting happened besides a few names being finally greyed out.

I'm a bit confused about the AA situation. Some people in the thread seem to be saying the XB1 has no AA going on? But others say there is AA but the lower resolution, high contrast/limited RGB and sharpness is making that AA less effective?

startyourengine · Oct 29, 2013

BigJoeGrizzly said:
Why are some people suggesting the PS4 has way better frame rate? Seemed like the Bone held up with the PS4 version most of the time, occasionally dipping 2-4 frames lower in more demanding scenes. That's not really enough to be noticeable during normal gameplay.

I know the PS4 version has about 50% more pixels, but did anyone have trouble seeing that pixel advantage? (Full disclosure: I own a 1080p laptop monitor, so I should be able to tell) I know YouTube's player can affect quality, but in the DF videos I had trouble picking up the differences as well (maybe Bone's hardware scaler is as good as advertised?)

seriously? u don't play your console on a laptop monitor, that's like 15 or 17 inches? go watch the pic or video on a 50+ inches tv.

Horsemama1956 · Oct 29, 2013

THEaaron said:
Dudes. You can't be real saying the Xbone version looks better. It's just oversaturated and filled with noise. That's like the Loudness Wars with visuals. OMG.

Wait, so my PC games which are a lot sharper than console games are just filled with noise? Damn this whole time.

The PS4 version looks like it's running high Post Process AA which makes it blurry. So basically if the PS4 version looks inferior in anyway it because the Xbox version looks worse and our perception is just fucked up?

CoG · Oct 29, 2013

The One Who Knocks said:
Wow, I wasn't expecting parity but this is a far larger gap than I had thought there would be. I have just become much more interested in seeing more multiplatform games' comparisons.

With people going back and forth between crushed blacks and color saturation the point is being missed that the PS4 version is outputting nearly twice the pixels, with AA, at a more stable frame rate.

There it is -- after months of speculation from GAF and denial/balance talk from Albert and Nelson the theme for this generation has been established. The Xbone versions of titles are always going to be behind in performance and visual fidelity. This is a much wider gap than initial 360 vs PS3 comparisons. Never was there a title at PS3 launch where the 360 was outputting double the pixels with higher fidelity. It's insane how anemic the Xbox One is in comparison to the PS4.

Codiox · Oct 29, 2013

can anyone explain me what the benefit of "random textures" is? i dont get it

darkwing · Oct 29, 2013

Maninthemirror said:
Lol
What

i think crushed blacks will be the new meme

Y2Kev · Oct 29, 2013

Codiox said:
can anyone explain me what the benefit of "random textures" is? i dont get it

Occasionally someone gets a jacket made out of salami and sometimes people fire guns named out of jackets. It's have a fun! Enjoy! Did you have a pleasure!

ElTorro · Oct 29, 2013

Codiox said:
can anyone explain me what the benefit of "random textures" is? i dont get it

Probably that they don't take storage space on the disk/download since they are computed at runtime.

StuBurns · Oct 29, 2013

darkwing said:
i think crushed blacks will be the new meme

Have you seen grey?

SniperHunter · Oct 29, 2013

Ps4 version looks good enough, it would be great if it'd had msaa but what can you do?

avcables · Oct 29, 2013

darkwing said:
i think crushed blacks will be the new meme

Solid warrior · Oct 29, 2013

Gemüsepizza;87947861 said:
This. 33 PS4 games this year, 32 of them run at 1080p - BF4 is the only game this year which runs at 900p. And I don't think this will change.

Source?

Codiox · Oct 29, 2013

Y2Kev said:
Occasionally someone gets a jacket made out of salami and sometimes people fire guns named out of jackets. It's have a fun! Enjoy! Did you have a pleasure!

wtf?

Radec · Oct 29, 2013

chadskin said:
Remember

That's how the PS3 launch title Resistance: Fall of Man looked like. Things will only get better from here, for both PS4 and XBO.

It already is.

MP, 1080p/60

Raist · Oct 29, 2013

Well, that's that. Even if you're like Gies and want to believe that both versions are barely different, you can't exactly forget that to achieve this, they had to drop AO (which is rather expensive) and cut the resolution by 35%. And still the framerate isn't as good.

So while "well it looks kinda the same" can be all you care about, that's also a stong indication of the capabilities of both platforms.

Codiox · Oct 29, 2013

ElTorro said:
Probably that they don't take storage space on the disk/download since they are computed at runtime.

so these textures are "generated" in realtime??

Maninthemirror · Oct 29, 2013

Here is the issue with people screaming there is parity

Both the ps4 and xone have comparable graphics in the videos. In single player they nearly look the same.

What people fail to realise is that ps4 is doing it at a 50% higher resolution with anti aliasing.

If dice took the ps4 version and reduced the resolution 50% and maxed out the card like it
Did here, the ps3 version would have utterly destroyed the xone in terms of textures, aa, particle effects and lighting etc due to the extra power it got from the reduced resolution. The only way dice could have made the game look the same is to up the resolution of the ps4 higher than the xone

Addnan · Oct 29, 2013

The difference is quite jarring in some instances. The lack of AA in Xbox is instantly noticeable. The PS4 version is looking decent, but not sure if it looks good enough for me to consider buying it twice to place with friends.

Ashes · Oct 29, 2013

Highest quality YouTube is the best feed to go off of in my opinion.

Wishmaster92 · Oct 29, 2013

Metfanant said:
except for the like 50% more pixels and higher framerate lol...this really cant be stated enough....

PS4
- higher framerate
- 50%+ more pixels rendered
- better effects
- certain effects that are simply absent from the Xbone version
- better aliasing BY FAR

its doing all of those things while pushing significantly more pixels...thats A LOT of difference...

This. I am fucking disappointed, even when the xbox one version is 720p it still can't keep up, and the artificial sharpening effect is horrible. DF said it right, it's producing a darbee like effect and it's just adding information (sharpness) that is not there. I thought Penello said that there wouldn't even be a fps difference and that there was no way Microsoft would give Sony the lead? Highly disappointed, this is really making me doubt my xbox one preorder... It's not even 1:1 despite 720p vs 900p..... Crushed blacks is nothing to worry about since that can be fixed, the artificial sharpness effect can't.

RooMHM · Oct 29, 2013

Into said:
**this is meant as a joke**That is not a *real* comparison at all, both versions look fine and 99% identical.

I m not sure AA, resolution and framerate amount to 1% ... Also this quality of image, this resolution, this framerate on XBO shouldnt and musnt be considered lookîg "fine". Wayto have low expectations...
How do you want devs and manufacturers to make better products with that kind of demands ?!

startyourengine · Oct 29, 2013

Radec said:
It already is.

MP, 1080p/60

dat first party effort

ElFly · Oct 29, 2013

One thing I like about the PS4 version is how far into the corner the UI is.

Seems that Xbone keeps the requirements of keeping UI elements more centered.

This is not even counting that the higher PS4 resolution makes the UI smaller.

phosphor112 · Oct 29, 2013

IAmRandom31 said:
All this talk of the PS4 needing a hardware upscaler is a moot point since 95% of the games will be 1080p anyway.

We just happened to get the one game in the launch lineup that isn't 1080p as our first comparison lol. How convenient that is.

Native 1080p PS4 games galore, so no need for scaling.

It's also moot because this amazing scalar that people think the X1 has is literally just a "sharpen" filter. Literally.

Impeccable · Oct 29, 2013

Wishmaster92 said:
This. I am fucking disappointed, even when the xbox one version is 720p it still can't keep up, and the artificial sharpening effect is horrible. DF said it right, it's producing a darbee like effect and it's just adding information (sharpness) that is not there. I thought Penello said that there wouldn't even be a fps difference and that there was no way Microsoft would give Sony the lead? Highly disappointed, this is really making me doubt my xbox one preorder... It's not even 1:1 despite 720p vs 900p..... Crushed blacks is nothing to worry about since that can be fixed, the artificial sharpness effect can't.

If you want to play Xbox One's games then I wouldn't bother switching over. But in all honesty the difference is this big on the FIRST wave of games AND this is a cross generational title, the difference is probably at it's lowest here.

Liha · Oct 29, 2013

avcables said:

haha good one

TheLaughingStock · Oct 29, 2013

This thread is amazing. Can't wait for launch!

shinra-bansho · Oct 29, 2013

Radec said:
It already is.

MP, 1080p/60

XB1 version looks way better.

pestul · Oct 29, 2013

Hmm, I really wish they would have dialed the FXAA down to medium'ish instead of high. It definitely did add a lot blur to the PS4 version.

I'm really impressed with DICE in getting 64-player multiplayer into this though. Given how much CPU power the PC version needs vs. the anemic CPUs in both nextgen consoles.. it's quite a feat.

tkalamba · Oct 29, 2013

Raist said:
Well, that's that. Even if you're like Gies and want to believe that both versions are barely different, you can't exactly forget that to achieve this, they had to drop AO (which is rather expensive) and cut the resolution by 35%. And still the framerate isn't as good.

So while "well it looks kinda the same" can be all you care about, that's also a stong indication of the capabilities of both platforms.

AO simply didnt make it into the review build....

https://twitter.com/repi/status/395138203075633152

There have been changes to the final build not apparent in the XO version which means it'll look better at launch. Straight from Johan Andersson

Violater · Oct 29, 2013

If the AO is off on one console then this really isn't a fair comparison in terms of visuals.
Yes I understand that there are performance implications, but that does not mean that Dice cannot fix this right?

Impeccable · Oct 29, 2013

tkalamba said:
There have been changes to the final build not apparent in the XO version which means it'll look better at launch. Straight from Johan Andersson

Meanwhile I'm sure the PS4 version received no additional fixes or upgrades.

StuBurns · Oct 29, 2013

shinra-bansho said:
XB1 version looks way better.

Much colorsz

So contrast

Sharpist lines

TheRealTalker · Oct 29, 2013

derwalde said:
of course. man, look at the colours. they are damn fine on the xbone and so washed out on the blurstation 4.

I think you got yourself a new meme lol

uncleniccius · Oct 29, 2013

shinra-bansho said:
XB1 version looks way better.

I lol'd. I lol'd really, really hard.

Fotos · Oct 29, 2013

tkalamba said:
AO simply didnt make it into the review build....

https://twitter.com/repi/status/395138203075633152

There have been changes to the final build not apparent in the XO version which means it'll look better at launch. Straight from Johan Andersson

So all of this arguing for nothing?

DLaicH · Oct 29, 2013

shinra-bansho said:
XB1 version looks way better.

Well done.

tkalamba · Oct 29, 2013

Impeccable said:
Meanwhile I'm sure the PS4 version received no additional fixes or upgrades.

It probably did, but lets not pretend that it doesn't matter that the review build isn't what we'll see at launch.

Kinyou · Oct 29, 2013

Foxtrot said:
So all of this arguing for nothing?

Well it certainly wont be jumping up to 900p, but it's interesting what else might have been missing.

Binabik15 · Oct 29, 2013

Those Jackfrag videos...Dropping helis, dropping helis everyhwere.

Weird if Dice really has PS4 version with HBAO, that should be dropped to a lower quality version for better fps. They should have dropped more ffects for 1080p, anyway.

Valnen · Oct 29, 2013

IAmRandom31 said:
All this talk of the PS4 needing a hardware upscaler is a moot point since 95% of the games will be 1080p anyway.

Maybe. But all consoles should have a good hardware scaler for those of us who play on PC monitors, which generally don't have good/any scaling.

But I thought the PS4 had a hardware scaler?

Metalmurphy · Oct 29, 2013

Foxtrot said:
So all of this arguing for nothing?

Yes, because AO is the only difference between the two.

DirtyLarry · Oct 29, 2013

The story here should not be which visuals look better. The story should be one console had to do a lower resolution in order to even make the visual comparisons nearly identical. Anyone who does not recognize this fact is in some sort of strange denial.

tkalamba · Oct 29, 2013

Foxtrot said:
So all of this arguing for nothing?

At least until launch so we can actually see the final builds for both. We have no idea what improvements didnt make it for either platform. This is all pointless and a waste of time at this point.

eso76 · Oct 29, 2013

So that's the secret sauce.

XO has a scaler that can make lower res game cheat people into thinking the image is actually sharper.

CLEVER !

(eh)

TTOOLL · Oct 29, 2013

The fact is, PS4 is doing a lot more here. It's not even a fair comparison. If things are this way now I can't imagine the gap size in a couple of years.

Maninthemirror · Oct 29, 2013

phosphor112 said:
Here it is one more time!!

XBOX ONE IS USING LIMITED RGB
XBox One DF Original Screen

RGB Levels "Limited" - No sharpen added

RGB Levels "Limited" - Sharpen Added

Crushing the levels to Limited RGB and "Sharpen More" (one time) for the PS4 picture replicates the XO results!

I hope this makes sense for you guys.

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