CartridgeBlower
Member
Which is then in turn what makes the facehugger/acid for blood combo so cool and terrifying -- 'holy shit! -- it just ate through his helmet? wtf is that thing...'
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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS
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Which is then in turn what makes the facehugger/acid for blood combo so cool and terrifying -- 'holy shit! -- it just ate through his helmet? wtf is that thing...'
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I bet it isn't. I bet the money comes in and it's not enough for them to bite on two more of these things, so they toss Ridley $75 mil and say "wrap it up."
I hope so. A movie set before this would be pointless.
Probably not. I think they dropped that idea sometime when Covenant was in production/post-production.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It'll be a movie set entirely in that city. A romantic drama among the engineers. Entirely in their weird grunting language.
Mel Gibson will direct.
Mel Gibson will direct.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
A prequel that focuses on Shaw, when we know that she ends up being vivisected, would kill this franchise for at least a decade.
It's about how believable in context the action is. Alien and Aliens both take great care to establish why decisions that seem dumb are made: in terms but f the character and the context.
From Alien 3 onwards this has been increasingly skipped as the films struggle to differentiate while offering up the expected scares and creature action.
Take Alien.
They actually bicker about investigating at all and it's made clear they have to according to their contract.
Kane is established as the eager one always searching ahead and a bit too nosy for his own good: of course he - nervously - takes a peek in the egg.
Dallas is established as weary Captain of a beat up tug and Kane as a friend as well as second in command: of course he chooses to break quarantine and not sit in the airlock with a strange creature while Kane dies particularly with panicky Lambert backing him up. Ripley sticking to rules actually helps this make sense and makes clear Dallas is already out of his depth handling this kind of emergency.
Brett goes looking for the cat because Parker told him to. Brett is Parkers right hand guy and will clearly do whatever he asks. He's embarrassed he messed up and the creatures only a small snake at this point. He doesn't look too happy about it but of course he can't lose further face with Parker and he dutifully follows orders.
And so on. Every action in Alien makes sense in context for the characters and even plays into how events unfold. For example of course Ripley survives she's been the most competent and adaptive from the beginning.
Covenant (and Promethous before it) are simply not as well crafted in this regard. Little to no justification is provided and characters feel mostly like cyphers doing what the plot demands. They're sub par next to Alien by a wide margin in this area (others too but I'd digress).
Cameron also did a good job in Aliens making decisions believable in context and as with Alien often used Ripley, Hicks or Vasquez (Bishop too) to counterpoint the others losing their cool and making questionable decisions or suggesting questionable ideas.
And you wouldn't want this?
That's all it'll take?
LET'S DO IT
I would like that.
I want that movie!
paragonpro
Banned
It would be like lethal weapon if danny glover went all hr giger on mel gibson at the end
This might be the first thing ive seen of a franhise i enjoy where i just said fuck it and reject it as canon in my head, no im sorry, the fucking xenomorphs were not created by some ass hat rapist robot with a god complex. In my head cannon they still have a cool un discovered fucked up homeworld and we only vaguely know their origins. I liked prometheus too, but this feels like george lucas's starwars prequels
paragonpro
Banned
Double post
Garcia el Gringo
Member
Worth it.
Spike Spiegel
Member
It happened off screen.
Or maybe it didn't. Maybe David was dumb enough to stab Walter in the neck again and think, "okay, THIS time he's dead."
He was made perfect, but also in our image after all.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Goddammit Spike
Sucks so many people are shitting on the blood splitting scene.
I really liked how damn messy that whole thing was. I especially liked when Kenny Power's wife came back and the whole floor was just covered in blood and not in the fancy blood plaster way but in the "this person slipped and tumbled on this blood while fighting for her life" kinda way.
That whole set piece was full of wonderful panic.
I really liked how damn messy that whole thing was. I especially liked when Kenny Power's wife came back and the whole floor was just covered in blood and not in the fancy blood plaster way but in the "this person slipped and tumbled on this blood while fighting for her life" kinda way.
That whole set piece was full of wonderful panic.
Amazing 👌
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Someone please explain this. I'm just in utter disbelief at how Scott completely fucked up Alien with his plot holes and retconning I thought midichlorians were bad.
Fake Edit: Yes, yes I know it's his to massacre as he sees fit but still. Oh well it is what it is.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Uh...
the uh...
...the storms and ionization hid it from sensor technology.
Yeah.
that.
the uh...
...the storms and ionization hid it from sensor technology.
Yeah.
that.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Good one maybe Scott can hire you?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I could use the check, sure
When mccbride was in his suit out in space it looked the most obvious lol
Bobby Roberts
Banned
this doesn't make any fuckin sense tho
why would computer effects look worse in 10 years.
s_mirage
Member
That was strange. Especially as the fact that it was strange was pointed out on screen by Daniels IIRC.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
No, hire me. Ripley was engineered by David. She was designed after Shaw and Daniels, the two women he loved/admired. The embryo was sent through space using his engineer technology. The embryo takes the form of those airborne spores which infect a male human so he can inseminate a female. Ripley has Bioshock style orders hard coded into her DNA that will compel her to go to space, much like how cordyceps compel ants to seek higher ground to spread their spores. She will in instinctually seek out LV426 because she is compelled to find her home and meet her maker. She just doesn't know it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It'll never happen.
This shitty pipedream got flushed awhile ago. They're not plunging that turd back up.
Get a load of this motherfucker trying to knock a porkchop off my plate
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Neill Blomkamp is still in director jail due to Chappie. And with the way Ridley Scott talks about everyone else's work with the franchise, I'm kind of stunned the project was ever seriously considered.
RyougaSaotome
Member
Hahaha, I feel bad coming in here and saying this, but I actually had a really good time with Covenant.
I liked Prometheus enough, but Covenant was more of what I wanted out of that film, with a bonus of fun slasher/monster on the loose sequences that were rad. It's not at all without issues (a lot of the early stuff after they arrive at the necropolis), but it's an easy number 3 spot after the first two films for me.
I liked Prometheus enough, but Covenant was more of what I wanted out of that film, with a bonus of fun slasher/monster on the loose sequences that were rad. It's not at all without issues (a lot of the early stuff after they arrive at the necropolis), but it's an easy number 3 spot after the first two films for me.
I'll take this over the concept of the NB's Alien 5.
I mean, what else is there to ruin at this point?
moltonasty
Member
It currently has a 67 on Metacritic which they describe as "generally favorable reviews."
If it makes money, that's all Fox cares about.
Plus Blomkamp's movie would have been trash, let's not kid ourselves.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
As time passes, newer things look more dated. CGI tends to suffer the most from this phenomenon because it gets continuously better so older cgi stands out. On the other hand, props, sets, and costumes tend to set a more grounded look to it that the audience can latch onto to more easily suspend their disbelief. This is why the creature effects in Alien look better today than Alien vs Predator, despite the latter not looking particularly bad for the time it came out. Its not just a case of the alien in the first movie tending to be in the dark or at close up angles either, as you get some pretty decent full body looks at it at the end.
Attack of the Clones is prolly the best example in my opinion. That movie looks terrible now.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Why would of Blomkamps movie been trash even if he didn't write it?
Ridley is a stale old fart sundowning his way to the destruction of the alien legacy.
I'd take anything alien directed by Blomkamp as it'd be exciting to see where it goes.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
I'm David to your Weyland's daughter played by Charlize Theron.
I don't know why people were excited for that Xenomorph power armor concept art.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
How long before Alien can be rebooted? Or just throw everything out apart from Alien and Aliens make a new Alien 3.
Yeah, at least his return has been thematically interesting, if the execution lacking.
Again, what's the purpose of calling the film Covenant? The dude came off of Exodus not that long ago so I'm guessing there's a reason he called this that.
That shit looks like some kinda post game armor you unlock after beating the game on the highest difficulty. I don't want that silliness.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Oh shit. I misunderstood you, sorry. I thought you were saying that the effects being done 10 years from now would look shittier than they do now.
Edit: why even bother to reboot or make more Ripley sequels? Just... Make more Alien movies.
They don't need overarching storylines and mythology. Gluing one onto it is kinda one of the series's biggest fuckin problems
Herr Schwarz
Banned
What do you think Aliens was?
Why everyone hate Blomkamp I thought District 9 and Elysium were pretty solid
Elysium sucked, but with D9, it seems he's a one hit wonder.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Just look at Spider-Man. Why not? Clean slate and all that.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Elysium didn't suck it was a schlocky pulpy action flick that knew what it was I thought. Plus his flavor of sci fi is nice!
It wasn't even good as that, though.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is supposed to be a positive example you're providing right
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Yeah it was, it hit it's marks. Felt like an 80s action movie for the modern man. Never saw Chappie. Will re-watch Elysium just to remind myself. I know it wasn't great but I thought there was some cool looking themes in there too. Plus if ya playing The Surge, you know that's got some cues from elysium