Primethius
Banned
Doubt there will be parity. Not like it matters much.
People are pinning way to many hopes on Scropio sales. Thing's like the Pro but viable in less markets.
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Microsoft mismanagement ofthird party partnerships leaving developers in a bad state?
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Doubt there will be parity. Not like it matters much.
People are pinning way to many hopes on Scropio sales. Thing's like the Pro but viable in less markets.
Crayon
Member
The graphics are likely going to be almost indistinguishable from the pro version. Think about it. I don't know if I will be able to pick them out without being side by side and I have really good eyes.
i thin i people are pinning way to many hopes on what its actual going to provide as a console.
Primethius
Banned
Oh that too. Though with MS's PR, it's hard to place the blame on fans for getting excited.
Do we even know how the market has reacted to the Pro? It seems to be nothing of note.
I'm still not convinced people want iterative consoles cause I sure as hell don't.
There were a tone of posts in that scalebound thread about moving it to Scorpio. That is unbelievable to me.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
No, your posts in the past half hour seem more like you have some sort of vendetta against microsoft. Hell, you linked this thread before it even had a single response.
Dreams-Visions
Member
So the running list includes (but not limited to):
Kameo
Conker
Perfect Dark
Crimson Skies
Brute Force (lol)
Fable
Phantom Dust
Scalebound
Never mind all the IPs that simply sit inactive. Recore and Sunset Overdrive both bombed I assume, so I'd expect no followup for those. We can only hope Forza, Gears and Halo stay mostly on track and that Sea of Thieves and Crackdown deliver. Anything else of note?
Not been a good decade at all for first party games and exclusives from MS IMO.
Kameo
Conker
Perfect Dark
Crimson Skies
Brute Force (lol)
Fable
Phantom Dust
Scalebound
Never mind all the IPs that simply sit inactive. Recore and Sunset Overdrive both bombed I assume, so I'd expect no followup for those. We can only hope Forza, Gears and Halo stay mostly on track and that Sea of Thieves and Crackdown deliver. Anything else of note?
Not been a good decade at all for first party games and exclusives from MS IMO.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
We're talking about a development team which took a concept Kojima could not utilize properly for gameplay purposes (cutting mechanic in Metal Gear Rising), flipped the game out of development hell, and made an extremely fun game out of it within a relatively small development time.
This is not the FFVersus13/FFXV team we are talking about here and I will really need to 'see_the_receipts.gif' if someone actually thinks Platinum is at fault here. Right now MS has way more evidence against them based on prior cancellations than the other way around.
Pro won't sell in a huge way until it can be had for $300. People need to realize these consoles at this stage are being targeted to the hardcore. People who don't mind upgrading. At some point the base PS4 and Xbox will be phased out and the only boxes on shelves will be the Pro and Scorpio if all this works out.
Primethius
Banned
Seems to be selling to about Sonys expectations. Which is to say, not much of note.
Outrun
Member
Until we have the facts, I would not absolve or condemn any party here.
i think this extends to rare, and actually it's weird that the studio wasn't closed years ago based on the stories of half-finished projects and microsoft not knowing what to do with the studio. they seem like a really shitty partner who doesn't really get that sometimes big changes can't be made within budgets and time frames.
JetBlackPanda
Member
What is happening over there Microsoft?! Yikes.
I might now! If they truly mismanage projects like the excerpts in the OP suggest, and hurt developers in the long run.
DeuceGamer
Member
I'm sure there are 2 sides to this but from where I'm sitting it looks bad on Microsoft. Hopefully Platinum can get enough work from Sony and Nintendo.
Some more stuff about Microsoft's management can also be found in Polygon's Final Fantasy 7 article which came out today (seen here.) Just go to section 3 titled the Aftermath, then go to the subject: Square staff reunites at Microsoft. It talks about the difficulties Mistwalker/FeelPlus had with Microsoft during the development of Lost Odyssey too. The whole article is a fascinating read.
I thought it was bad when I found out Rare had dozens of cancelled games and pitches that were never greenlit, but man this thread shows me there's still a lot of mismanagement going on at Microsoft.
ronaldthump
Member
I think Japanese developers would do well to partner with sony. They're throwing some weight behind Kojima and that should be an interesting game. It's also probably a better fit as Sony this gen has demonstrated an eagerness to push games.
I dunno, how many? Do you count stuff like Okami? Is Wonderful 101 a great game? Even Bayonetta is an evolution of DMC to me with more tits and ass. It didn't blow my mind, it was just better than similar games from the previous gen. Lets not kid ourselves, Platinum games is not a hit factory and even if MS had kept funding and released the game there's no way to know it would have been good, MS obviously didn't think it was.
You do realize that Sony has the marketing rights and extra/exclusive content for this game right? Also it's entirely possible 3rd party devs don't put the effort into maximizing the power of Scorpio. I mean you have to support XB1, PS4, PS4 Pro, and Scorpio. It's not a given the the Scorpio version will look or run better then the PS4 Pro version. We don't even know what the lead platform for RDR 2 is but that will be telling.
Rare might be the, uh, rare studio that has enough cultural penetration to where MS would probably never fully go through with shuttering them.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I understand where you're coming from but after being burned from the new Fable and Phantom Dust Remake cancellations and hearing their dev stories about MS's rocky relationships, my mind is saying 'fool me once, fool me twice, etc'. I fear for the future of Crackdown 3. If, unsurprisingly, news comes out that there was yet another issue with MS publishing and the dev, I don't think we should treat MS like the ex-girlfriend/boyfriend who you're cool with giving more chances and letting him/her come back into your life. The only Franchises I see that are set in stone are Gears and Halo.
James Scott
Banned
I'm still not sure how they can get Megaman Creator and Metroid Prime developers and give them a small budget after announcing their game with a fancy CG trailer
probably. they sure have gone a while without using any of the ips they acquired with them (actually - i forgot about their rare replay thing), and i have a feeling the talent that joined from the nintendo days is mostly long-gone at this point. it might be that after sea of thieves they might consider closing the studio.
JetBlackPanda
Member
That stuff about Phantom Dust if true is horrible.
Danis Saur
Member
Microsoft heading to a new direction I see, good luck to them and whatever they pull out for the Scorpio.
When a company like darkside negotiates with a company like ms its on microsofts paper and microsofts terms. No way darkside has lawyers that can keep up
Double Helix got bought out.
The quality of Platinum's output is a complete red herring.
What is in question here is whether or not Platinum would miss major milestones during game development. And by all accounts, they have a stellar track-record for making games on time and within budget.
Outrun
Member
OK, so you are adopting the doomsday scenario for Scorpio then?
It is confusing. Sometimes it is exclusives that sell consoles. Other times, it is superior multiplatform titles...
I guess dispite the supposed hardware superiority, no multiplatform titles will look superior.
And on top of that MS has no fresh exclusives...
They are fucked and should pack it in.
I was just thinking that. Platinum are fantastic devs and are are well known in meeting their deadlines. I think MS was doing that some shady shit.
Yeah, this is what gets me. Platinum's record with Activision shows that they will get a game out in time within a budget no matter what. It seems odd that what struck them out could be an inability to work within time and budget constraints. By the rumors, overworking to meet deadlines was what put Kamiya and his team out of commission. I don't think putting all the blame on Platinum here is realistic given their track record, especially compared to the picture Darkside paint of MS.
When there's smoke from one source, maybe it's just smoke and mirrors. But when there's smoking coming from multiple directions, it starts to look like a fire.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Incompetence was the time they failed to pay their XBLIG partners.
Host Samurai
Member
All these mismanagement stories about Microsoft, make it seem like they're the WCW of the gaming giants.
Ok lets take quality out of the equation, game looks like it won't recoup it's investment, spend more money and hope for the best or cancel it? Isn't that really what happened here? Isn't that what happened with Phantom Dust? Fable Legends? Granted I'm not saying MS did or did not do Platinum dirty, I have no idea, but I do think I understand why they canceled it.
The point here is it was MS who did the mishandling.
I'm a fan of Xbox, but news like this makes me sour towards them. Don't know what happened, and am still looking forward to Crackdown, but this sucks. There is very little reliability that any game from a 3rd party that they announce will get made, which is why Sony's library of first party developers is much more preferable.
Guess we'll see how this affects them in the long run. They need to gain more momentum, things like this and the aftermath of Quantum Break shrink my faith in them.
Guess we'll see how this affects them in the long run. They need to gain more momentum, things like this and the aftermath of Quantum Break shrink my faith in them.
This whole situation is crazy to me. It really makes me think that MS is positioning themselves right out of the console space, whether they think they are or not.
Xbox with no exclusive games has no real reason to exist. And this focus on games as a service is crazy too. It sounds like they don't want to put any money behind anything thats not going to be a mega multibillion $ franchise like Minecraft that lives on in perpetuity.
How many of those games can the market truly support and it's not exactly easy to predict what game will become the next cultural phenomenon.
It just seems like a recipe for failure. I feel like Nintendo is about to be fully 100% saved and Sony is licking their lips.
Xbox with no exclusive games has no real reason to exist. And this focus on games as a service is crazy too. It sounds like they don't want to put any money behind anything thats not going to be a mega multibillion $ franchise like Minecraft that lives on in perpetuity.
How many of those games can the market truly support and it's not exactly easy to predict what game will become the next cultural phenomenon.
It just seems like a recipe for failure. I feel like Nintendo is about to be fully 100% saved and Sony is licking their lips.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Their lawyers couldn't recognize that there was a massive hole for scope creep? They hired lawyers that specialize in contract software development correct? I mean contractual scope creep isn't anything new. I mean scope creep isn't a new term.
I have a hard time believing that MS could all of a sudden demand that a single player campaign be included into the existing contract unless the contract was absolutely terribly written and subsequently agreed upon. MS are complete assholes for taking advantage of said contract if that's indeed how it played out, but damn...
wapplew
Member
Didn't Gaffer from Moon studio talk about how easy to work with MS as a publisher?
I don't think this is a widespread issue for MS publishing. Maybe those projects listed in the op just unfortunate casualty of 2013 PR disaster.
Maybe MS was in panic mode during that period, head of Xbox stepping down, everything go against them and they need games, games games to turn around bad image.
So they green light projects in quick succession without taking time to evaluate the projects.
On any given time, those projects might not get approve or dead before announcement, like usual game business.
I don't think this is a widespread issue for MS publishing. Maybe those projects listed in the op just unfortunate casualty of 2013 PR disaster.
Maybe MS was in panic mode during that period, head of Xbox stepping down, everything go against them and they need games, games games to turn around bad image.
So they green light projects in quick succession without taking time to evaluate the projects.
On any given time, those projects might not get approve or dead before announcement, like usual game business.