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My 15 years old cousin was destroyed by JonTron beliefs
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For me, it's like the Nintendo / Sega 900 number hotline person made it big.
jasminlovesyoux
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I'm with the others RELIEVED this stories outcome wasn't about his beliefs passing on to your cousin. This is what I'm very worried about in this YouTube generation and why I wish the higher ups of YouTube would crack down on this. I'm an extremist though, so I wish they'd abolish all sorts of impressionable videos like fake ass prank stuff or over sexualized get a girl to kiss you garbage that gets millions of viewers. Young minds are horribly impressionable and the big youtubers largest audience is the young gen. When I saw a h3h3 video about spider man and Elsa videos I raged. You know children are the ones watching this heinous shit. Something should be done. In the case of Jon , I only hope there are more like the ops cousin that understand he's wrong.
And op, good on you. You're a stand up person.
And op, good on you. You're a stand up person.
Seeing the thread title, I thought "Oh no, not again." assuming it was the usual kids being changed into assholes by their youtube heroes..It sucks that something she saw as innocent fun was destroyed and she was faced with reality. But the fact that she was so disappointed and distressed by his views speaks volumes of her character, sounds like a good kid.
Yup. I feel like that almost is a whole different topic/discussion entirely. My exposure was kind of a terrifying moment, but I zero context to what was happening and why.
First, your English is great.
Second, you're a great person OP. If it makes you feel any better, it seems that your cousin gets the problem way better than a large part of the internet that just doesn't care.
I thought your story was going in an worry entirely different direction.
Second, you're a great person OP. If it makes you feel any better, it seems that your cousin gets the problem way better than a large part of the internet that just doesn't care.
I thought your story was going in an worry entirely different direction.
It's all fun and games until rising xenophobia causes said companies to lose engineering talent from abroad, which may already be happening to a degree. California's leadership is insulating the tech industry from Trump, but it can't happen forever.
Sumio Mondo
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The world continues getting more and more mad with each passing year.
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
That's not too surprising, really. Preteens especially are drawn to anything edgy or "something their parents wouldn't like."
Fudgepuppy
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Just read Kotaku's Facebook-post about Playtonic dropping JonTron, and damn if the comments don't show how fucking toxic the discourse has become in recent times. They're all going all in with the persecution-complex, complaining about the snowflakes-pc-police-SJW not tolerating other people's opinions.
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Sorry about your cousin man. I used to watch JonTron a lot when I was just chilling on my couch with nothing better to do, but kind of hard to do that now.
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Sorry about your cousin man. I used to watch JonTron a lot when I was just chilling on my couch with nothing better to do, but kind of hard to do that now.
Gordon Shumway
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What do you mean? Sharing things they like?
RecRoulette
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As mentioned in other thread, YouTubers and streamers bank on their personalities, hell a lot of games media does these days too. There aren't many "Don't meet your heroes" moments when it comes to them because of how close the real person is to what you see on the screen.
Wait... who was this?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I have zero problem with PewDiePie, save that he is talentless, but JonTron is a real dummy. Sorry about your cousin, OP.
What is it about buzzwords?
It's like most people are unable to come up with their own opinions and rely on a tiny cache of semi-smarter people to come up with designations and talking points for them.
Ninja Scooter
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The important lesson from this to stress to young, impressionable people is to danger of idolizing celebrities. Don't put them on a pedastal. You don't know them. Just because someone makes funny YouTube videos doesn't mean you should model your world views after him/her.
Google leaves it in the hands of the creator. The creator chooses to monitize their own videos and even have a choice of the form of the ad(skipable, unskipable, banner, etc.) The advertisers don't normally choose what videos they are on be they can. You are correct though that most of it is handled by Algorithm. I assume he's with a network so ads would be handled by them.
Secret Fawful
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Yes and no. These guys also craft what they show of themselves, similar to kayfabe in wrestling. You know their personalities, but you don't know them. It's work.
The Super Best Friends got in trouble for this once by breaking kayfabe on camera and coming off way the wrong way. They apologized and made an effort to rectify it, though, hence why they still have fans.
spazchicken
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Damn, this struck me. That hurt me just reading how hurt she is.
My little brother is grown but he aspires to be a chef and he adored and looked up to Paula Deen. He dreamed of meeting her and would have gone absolutely nuts if he had gotten the chance to learn from her.
I had to break the news to him about the racist things she has said and done. He didn't believe me at first but as I elaborated I started to see a spaced out stare come over him like he was losing something and a part of him was dying.
It hurt to see that happen.
Kdin
I keep saying they because I legit forgot what pronouns they use and can't look them up rn with this shitty internet
TheSkullPrince
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This is really sad to hear, finding out that one of the people you look up to is a horrible person in real life. You did the right thing and I hope your cousin can move on from this.
Those guys don't care or, worse, also spread shit.
That's pretty damn heartbreaking stuff. We've all been there in one way or another. The loss of innocence, that is. This made me think about my heroes when I was growing up, and I'm genuinely surprised to realize that I didn't have any. Not even one person. That's kind of sad.
When was this? Just out of curiosity.
Sorry to hear, op but it seems you handled it well. The landscape of youtube personalities is like the wild west, there's no standards for moral responsibility so you never can know what young people are really exposed to and for a younger minority exposed to the worst of it it hurts, but what's worse is seeing that those vile people are still largely supported, either by fanbase in this case or organization (in case of Hollywood or major league sports) and it makes you feel even worse. So I hope your cousin takes refuge in acts of kindness like Playtronic removing JonTron from their game and that she understands that there are swaths of people who are just as disgusted as she was. It's important to not feel like you're alone when hit with this kind of stuff.
Choppasmith
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Hearing stuff like this makes me want to give up the internet forever, find a nice cabin in the middle of nowhere, and just live out the rest of my days.
So sad. Posting a "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" image just doesn't come close in conveying how I feel.
And definitely want to add my praise for the OP to the pile while I'm at it though.
So sad. Posting a "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" image just doesn't come close in conveying how I feel.
And definitely want to add my praise for the OP to the pile while I'm at it though.
How About No
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Idk back in the early-mid 2000s we were watching Homestar Runner and Happy Tree Friends in the computer labs at school
Secret Fawful
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During the Mailbag, they accidentally left in footage, probably due to being swamped, of all of them shitting on a gift someone had sent, completely breaking happy attitude when they thought their footage was done recording and acting completely different in attitude. They later explained that because the gift was a weapon, and they were getting these constantly and couldn't transport or own too many of them, the weapon gifts were getting overwhelming and they should have been honest in the first place.
I'm 26 and I recently rediscovered JonTron. I must admit that I like his videos, at least those I watched so far.
That said, his comments were absolutely despicable. I could brush it off as a young, naive fool's venture into foreign territory (politics) if there was an unconditional, sincere apology - but I won't bank on it.
This is why actors/comedians/etc should not comment on politics. They usually have even less of an idea than an average citizen, too, being privileged and having mostly second-hand sources. We like them for playing a role or making us laugh, and while they have a right to have beliefs and every right to express them, it is just outright stupid to voice them in this industry. Don't get me wrong: They got rightfully shamed.
Not knowing about his beliefs, I could easily watch his show. Now I would feel bad about it if I do.
Like that time I realized Tim Allen is a huge fucktard. It just ruined his shows for me.
That said, his comments were absolutely despicable. I could brush it off as a young, naive fool's venture into foreign territory (politics) if there was an unconditional, sincere apology - but I won't bank on it.
This is why actors/comedians/etc should not comment on politics. They usually have even less of an idea than an average citizen, too, being privileged and having mostly second-hand sources. We like them for playing a role or making us laugh, and while they have a right to have beliefs and every right to express them, it is just outright stupid to voice them in this industry. Don't get me wrong: They got rightfully shamed.
Not knowing about his beliefs, I could easily watch his show. Now I would feel bad about it if I do.
Like that time I realized Tim Allen is a huge fucktard. It just ruined his shows for me.
sir_kevith
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Heh, thanks for letting me know he's an alright guy. We actually met him briefly at a retro gaming expo and he was nice enough in person. The whole thing was intense though with a line of hundreds of kids trying to meet him. I felt like Hank Hill or:
disappeared
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Good on you, OP.
By the way your English is damned good.
By the way your English is damned good.
Amibguous Cad
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I know, right? Half this forum was sporting 1up Never Equaled avatars after the GFW Radio and 1Up Yours shut down. And the Giant Bomb thread still gets a ton of love. Youtube and podcasting are a more intimate and personal medium, or at least feel that way given the way they're produced. You can definitely find personalities you really like, and over time grow to really like, respect, or fanboy out over them. It's not really hard to believe at all.
I know if I were twelve and I heard Adam Sessler was a giant racist I would've been really disappointed.
not really. media and media companies kind of filters who gets through the social and hr filters to their screens. without that filter you get results like this.
I consider myself still young, dumb and impressionable as an 18 year old, and I've been a JonTron fanatic for 5+ years now. He was always the best in my eyes, so damn funny. When he wasn't at his best, he was still better than everyone else.
So yeah, this kinda ruined me for a while too. It's weird how that happens.
So yeah, this kinda ruined me for a while too. It's weird how that happens.
There is still a large part of the gaming population who're laughably stuck in the 00s and refuse to accept that someone like JonTron might be an influential figure and why his vocal hate speech matters on a societal level.
Generations are growing up on this shit and it cannot be allowed to continue.
Generations are growing up on this shit and it cannot be allowed to continue.
jacob armitage
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Thats so sad, i kind of hope JonTron reads it. Thats whats upset me the most about the PDP and Jon stuff is the impact it has on their young audiences.
AtomskEater
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I'm glad you were there for your cousin, and that she didn't immediately just go along with his remarks. It's tough, I love(d) Jon's videos and thought many of them were hilarious, but knowing how he would feel about me just based on my race is really disheartening. It always sucks to learn that someone you thought was cool was actually holding on to some gross beliefs.
There were people in the various threads arguing that youtubers have no influence, but many kids look up to them.
There were people in the various threads arguing that youtubers have no influence, but many kids look up to them.
IISANDERII
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Idolizing somebody who's from a poorly educated background is a gamble. But you'd think that somebody from a diverse background would be ok! So messed up.
OP, are you going to tell her parents? Not saying that's what you should do, just wondering what you're next move is.
OP, are you going to tell her parents? Not saying that's what you should do, just wondering what you're next move is.
Is it hard to understand that children, teens, young adults, or hell, ANY human being might like or care about a celebrity or other famous person? What you consider a "random" YouTuber isn't a random YouTuber to literally millions of young people.
Gordon Shumway
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Yeah, it's why I asked? I was a teen when half of y'all weren't even a thought, but I can remember sharing things with my friends constantly..be it from an EGM or something interesting I saw on the MacNeil Lehrer Newshour. It's kinda what we do even today, no?
do you remember the news reports of crying teenagers after take that broke up?
this is the equivalent for this girl.
Gordon Shumway
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Gordon Shumway
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I only know of them because of here..my son would scratch his head when I mentioned that Pie guy, wondering how I knew of him 😁
BigJonsson
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Watch the South Park episode with Pewdiepie......
We're all grandpas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDFhOxB0ok
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