Was it really? I never noticed. Was it done to battle the DS? Because when Nintendo usually does something with the DS (as they've done with the 3DS) it's a frequent release of games every single month for a number of months.
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Worst Case Scenario for the Vita
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Was it really? I never noticed. Was it done to battle the DS? Because when Nintendo usually does something with the DS (as they've done with the 3DS) it's a frequent release of games every single month for a number of months.
outunderthestars
Banned
I don't. There simply isn't a compelling reason to own the thing. I use mine just to play PSP rpg's without the dreadful interlacing of the psp-3000
Costcosaurus
Banned
It's too early to pass any clear judgement on the Vita.
Wait until E3 to see what more the Vita has to offer.
Wait until E3 to see what more the Vita has to offer.
outunderthestars
Banned
DangerousDave
Member
The same kind of non-portable games were also in GBA, without dual screens, touch screens or 3D. And they sold. Or what were the touch or dual screen uses in most of the best sold DS games, like Mario Kart or NSMB?
What it matters is the software. If there are games worthy in a portable console that are not in the home console, people will buy it.
They give them away free at Taco Bell with purchase of a Crunch Wrap Supreme and cause a national diarrhea epidemic, flooding city streets with diarrhea and reigniting cholera outbreaks worldwide. Humanity's cognitive function degrades quickly, resulting in Vita threads on GAF and the election of Mitt Romney. Romney threatens Sony and the Japanese government responds in defense by nuking Buckingham Palace and dropping millions of copies of Hatsune Miku Project Diva on Oklahoma, confusing literally HUNDREDS and forcing a mass movement of Icecream types west. Remaining brain function is entirely eliminated as civil society breaks down.
Worst case scenario is that it's abandoned by third parties, but even if that happened, it would still be a system that can play PS1 games(we know it's coming), PSP games and some Vita specific titles. A system that comes equipped with a georgeous screen and two analog sticks.
As such, even in the worst case scenario, it would still be worth owning.
As such, even in the worst case scenario, it would still be worth owning.
I don't believe we knew about Mario 3D Land until a few months into the 3DS launch. People were complaining when it was announced that it should have been the launch title.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Sounds like the plot of the next Mission Impossible movie.
Captain Tuttle
Member
You're my favorite poster on the Citadel
You're right about Star Fox, and that's why it sold like crap. OoT did well because it's OoT, and with a massive visual overhaul, so it's unsurprising people flocked to it.
As for the bolded, 3D Land is not a console experience, not even close. And Mario Kart was always better suited to handhelds, it just happens to do well on any platform. These latter two are exactly the types of things people want to play on handheld systems, and they have the Mario brand to convince gamers of their quality.
And, as others have already mentioned, glasses-free 3D is a pretty cool gimmick that you can't get anywhere else. Literally every 3DS game is unique from its console compatriots because of it.
DangerousDave
Member
If 3D Land is not a console experience, none of the main Super Mario Bros main series, including Super Mario World, are, too. And I want to remember that New Super Mario Bros didn't even allow to save after finishing a level.
Revolutionary
Member
I didn't mention sales because I don't particularly care for sales, I'll leave that to the wannabe analysts in the NPD thread.
All I'm talking about is content, where the Vita has vastly surpassed what the 3DS had to deliver in the first few months. The only games I had for my 3DS up until I got Super Mario 3D Land were Ghost Recon, Pilotwings, and the Ocarina of Time. As for the Vita? Escape Plan, Mutant Blobs Attack, Unit 13, Uncharted, WipEout, Stardust, etc.... all within the very first month. Granted, some of the games I listed aren't what some would consider AAA games (I'm not a big fan of Escape Plan, for instance), but it sure as hell is a better effort than what the 3DS had.
Anyway, the thread is about the worst case scenario for each individual user, and since it has surpassed mine, I'm looking forward to the future. Gravity Daze is going to be amazing, and anyone with a brain knows that Sony is going to bring the goods come E3.
abstract alien
Member
It was announced by Satoru Iwata at GDC last year, which happened at the start of March, the same month the system dropped in US/EU. It just didn't have the name we call it, it was just Super Mario 3DS.
You're talking about games from different eras. Those were released more than two decades ago, you can't compare them to expectations today. 3D Land's levels are extremely short, shorter even than most levels on the NES and SNES Mario platformers. It incorporates fun gimmicks that make use of StreetPass. It would not be a game I'd want to play on consoles, that's for sure.
(I mean, I probably would, because I love it to bits, but it's designed to work especially well for the 3DS. Glasses-free 3D is a big part of that too.)
Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. Regardless, people were really unhappy with a barren 3DS software line up from launch up to Zelda, and then from Zelda up to that huge price drop...
True, but Nintendo has flip-flopped with these types of ideas. New Super Mario Bros Wii on a console and Ocarina of Time on a portable are sort of the opposite experiences I'd be expecting on those platforms.
outunderthestars
Banned
Outside of Gravity Daze, every major vita game just seems lazy and uninspired. Go look at the top 20 games on Amazon right now and ask yourself: Would you want to spend $300 + to play any of those?
So many stale franchises and watered down ports on that list....
So many stale franchises and watered down ports on that list....
Rollo Lawson
Banned
if in their restructuring they suddenly decide to abandon support for it...
Vita has alot going against it including its predecessors performance. This puts alot of added pressure on Vita.
3rd parties are going to leery because of the PSP and when they make a Vita title it needs to perform magnificantly or they will write it off as just another PSP.
Sony needs some really big guns on the system by A teams. Not A Team Franchises done by B and C teams.
3rd parties are going to leery because of the PSP and when they make a Vita title it needs to perform magnificantly or they will write it off as just another PSP.
Sony needs some really big guns on the system by A teams. Not A Team Franchises done by B and C teams.
Yeah, I think NSMBW worked on the Wii in large part because of its 4 player co-op. I think that was a huge draw, and it's a very "Wii-like" thing.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Once they get down to $200 and put some on board memory on the machine so games can boot then put in a game in the box people will pay a little more attention to it. Also, games need to be average $30 and capped at $40 like the PSP. But at $250 and *required* memory card and $50 games... people are looking the other way.
GT3 released about a little over a year after the PS2 was on store shelves.
GT3 released about a little over a year after the PS2 was on store shelves.
Most of my friends don't even know the Vita has been launched when I asked them their opinion about it. The actual PS Vita hardware itself looks nearly identical to a normal PSP in a Gamestop demo station, especially to somebody who isn't specifically looking for it. I made that mistake myself.
east of eastside
Banned
Vita will be rolled into some mobile strategy, maybe as early as E3.
outunderthestars
Banned
Or at least be creative with those franchises. Don't just give me a watered down version of the console experience.
Metalmurphy
Member
Nintendo and Sony both did this. I'm not sure it's too stupid because the Vita feels good and I can play for 3+ hours without any hand pain. 3DS on the other hand....
OldJadedGamer
Banned
PS2 launched on March 4, 2000 and GT3 shipped on April 28, 2001. 1 year, 1 month, and 24 days. NA/EU = World?
kobashi100
Banned
Call of Duty Cancelled and announced for 3DS.
Imagine the uproar. lol
With no PES title on Vita this year, that shows the bad position Sony is in considering it is a big seller on all Sony consoles.
That news would have spooked publishers for sure.
Imagine the uproar. lol
With no PES title on Vita this year, that shows the bad position Sony is in considering it is a big seller on all Sony consoles.
That news would have spooked publishers for sure.
Metalmurphy
Member
Well yeah in Japan only, where the PS2/GT3 sold the least, and obviously not what AniHawk was refering to. Like I said, 8 months for NA and 7 for the EU.
There wasn't any uproar when Call of Duty came out on DS, so I expect nobody will care if it moves from Vita to 3DS either.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
This thing is a PSP with a nicer screen. How did anybody expect a different fate for this than the one that befell PSP?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Worst Case scenario Sony pulls a Sega and announces that Vita "is not our future".
outunderthestars
Banned
The Vita is doing much worse than the psp did at this point....
Metalmurphy
Member
It's as much of a PSP as the 3DS is a DS, which is not much at all.
Sohter.Nura
Member
What the Vita really needs right now is a key portable experience that will sell the hardware, much like the touch generation games, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing and NSMB on the DS, and Monster Hunter for the PSP (and 3DS in Japan)
It's not really about the game being hardcore or not... You can't really just translate console experiences to portable and expect the game to work; the game has to be built with the hardware in mind and how the player will be playing the game, at what kind of places will it be, for how long, and etc.
It's not really about the game being hardcore or not... You can't really just translate console experiences to portable and expect the game to work; the game has to be built with the hardware in mind and how the player will be playing the game, at what kind of places will it be, for how long, and etc.
The Hermit
Member
Hmmm, I really can`t imagine it doing worse than now. I mean whats worse than competing on sales with a system that is completely dead (Wii) in Japan?
Worst case scenario is Sony cancelling the Vita at E3 though.
Worst case scenario is Sony cancelling the Vita at E3 though.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Oh, I think there will be some serious meltdowns if a CoD doesn't come out for Vita. I expect it to be on 3DS as well.
From whom? I'm not really all that convinced that Call of Duty fans en masse really want to play the series on a handheld in the first place.
outunderthestars
Banned
I don't think there are enough vita owners to reach meltdown status....
I would much rather play all those games on the PS3 or 360 than on a portable.
I'm still excited to get my already brought Vita next week. Granted besides Uncharted I'll be playing mainly PSP games since I never owned one of those, but I have no doubt good games are coming.
The PSP is regarded as a failure by many, but there are lots and lots of great games for it, and even some amazing ones. If the Vita performs the same, I will be satisfied.
The PS3 endured a drought of more than a year but I would say it was worth waiting for all the amazing exclusive games it received, and the Vita will be the same.
Gaming is as important or even more important now to Sony than most of their other business. They won't allow the Vita to really fail.
The system has been released for less than 6 months, people are just desperate to see Sony embarrass itself. We've had similar threads like this one by the dozens (no offense OP!).
The 3DS was in the exact same spot just a couple months ago, and look at were it is now. Sure Nintendo first party games are a big reason for the turnaround, but they're not the only one.
Sony still has a lot of options regarding the Vita, the game has just begun.
I wish people would realize that Vita success is good for gaming, there's so much doom and gloom here on GAF.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
at 250 dollars (plus the hidden fees) it's actually not much more.
i know i'm mixing up america and japan at this point. in america, the psp couldn't be saved. in japan, it had already been saved by the 2000-series, crisis core, and monster hunter.
in america, gt3 was one of the early big games for the console and bundled with the system.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
I agree, the potential audience for a portable COD title is pretty low.
Metalmurphy
Member
So its about the price now? Make up ur mind.
The worst case scenario is the Vita never carves out an identity, and cannot compete with the other, cheaper and more established consoles and handhelds.
People have a lot of choices when it comes to games and game units. Simply being the newest kid on the block won't cut it.
People have a lot of choices when it comes to games and game units. Simply being the newest kid on the block won't cut it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Vita owners who want some games to play! They're starving as it is, and Call of Duty HAS to be one of the Vita games they're hoping to see at E3. You think western Vita owners are waiting for Monster Hunter? Hell no, they want a port of the latest console CoD in handheld form for the first time ever.
outunderthestars
Banned
Being the most expensive video game device on the market certainly doesn't help...