Berserking Guts
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Man, Mayhem has just ruined this game for me now. The cooldowns and low health. Fuck this game. Give me the fun mode back blizzard.
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thepotatoman
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That feel when you beat the toxic player on your team in the next match.
Easily. I didn't fear hog before his nerfs, I definitely don't fear him now. All you need is the hack on him and he's a dead man.
DR2K
Banned
No one likes losing to one move. It's brain dead.
The 2 reactions to the nerfs are VERY similar. DVA was considered trash after her nerfs. Player got good and adapted. If you want easy kills, pick an actual DPS. If you want a 900 health hero that hits like a truck, can pull a character towards your team(which by all accounts is an instant death), with an ultimate that can wipe a team out you pick Roadhog.
Don Draper's Hat
Member
I don't get how they can nerf Roadhog but leave Hanzo's scatter arrow. The worst ability since the start of the game and it's never been touched has it? Just constant death if you hit someone's foot. Nonsense.
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thepotatoman
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It's probably defense because defense is the only class without a new character, but I hope for another support. Attack and defense mostly just means DPS and there's plenty of DPS already. Especially with weird things like Widowmaker actually being attack, and Sombra being defense.
Maybe it can be another hybrid support which never gets played because 2-2-2 fanatics go insane trying to understand how to make a 2-2-2 when you add a .5 to the mix.
Wasn't DVa way more powerful then than Roadhog is now?
I like the path of the new roadhog, but he might end up needing a little extra help.
First off, you're seriously overestimating Roadhogs effectiveness. His ult especially rarely results in any kind of teamwipe.
Second, I personally had no problem dying to hooks most of the time. First, it's not braindead and requires atleast decent aim on part of the player. I know this because I miss plenty of shots when I play Hog, and even the best players have around a 50% accuracy rating on him. As many have pointed out, Hog without Hook is all but dead weight for the team and a huge target and ult battery that no one can really protect.
But on the flip side, there are plenty of counters to RH. As Tracer, I bait plenty of hooks by purposely running into his line of fire and then dashing out. Genji deflects it. Reinhardt and Winston and Orisa and Mei and Zarya and Symmetra all block it. D.Va can eat his follow up shot for teammates or Ana can interrupt his whole thing with a sleepdart. There's a lot any given team can do to stop him.
Sure, there are going to be inevitable cases where you get hooked from the back or something or have your thing on cooldown and you're almost certainly going to die to those. But that's just a byproduct of the chaos of the fight putting you in a bad position. You'd die to any halfway competent player with a character who can output any kind of reasonable damage if you turn your back to them. It's the design of the game that there are circumstances where you basically have no chance and there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's counterbalanced by other stuff, which it is.
I did it once when I did it with Zarya's grav. I liked it because they had a mei and she tried to block me with a wall, but I was super close, so the whole hog eat through a very narrow section of it. It was straight up out of The Shining. "Heeeeeere's HOGGY!"
Other than that, it's a zoning ult sometimes gets a pick or two at best.
I am saying you can't get good and adapt to this RH because it took a character with many inherent downsides and took out the upside that counterbalanced it. He was a character in a very unique position that is not comparable to anyone else, but he is legitimately trash as is.
The reaction the the dva nerf was a lot different too, she was much more powerful in the meta to begin with at the time but even then she STILL got a buff to her DM along with it. Which is her real strength and character defining ability.
Let Hanzo be. Scatterarrow is too much fun to use.
Shoot him. He doesn't die as quick but he still drops dead after some rounds.
Never let him get near you and just shoot shoot shoot.
Earthpainting
Member
They made some attempts to fix the logs he shoots, but every attempt has been reverted pretty quickly. I suppose Hanzo's issues are more complex than simple hitbox and projectile sizes.
They really need to add more than 5 options into Arcade. Why do we have to sacrifice options to get new ones? Stupid.
Now with the new Low Gravity mode, how long are we going to wait to get Total Mayhem or Capture the Flag or 6v6 Lockout Elimination? I assume one of them will be back next week when "Horizon" will be removed, but what about people who want the other ones?
By not playing Roadhog!
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Just close your distance between him, if you hear loud footsteps coming.
Stallion Dan
Member
Roadhog not so bad, the increased rate of fire and extra shot are very useful in hook downtime.
Arcade is shit right now. Need bring back 6v6 Elim.
Arcade is shit right now. Need bring back 6v6 Elim.
blankempathy
Member
I don't get this idea that suddenly roadhog is better because hes more spammy? Maybe if you can't aim. Well timed shots before even without hooks could secure one shot kills or at least do significantly more damage. Roadhog is very reliant on positioning so following up with a second shot isn't as easy if a player moves away or too close to you between shots thanks to his spread. He is just flat out worse.
blankempathy
Member
Burst damage is his playstyle. Roadhog is the typical brawler character. Dangerous when you're in their range which forces players to keep away from him because they kill fast. Its a mental game. He can't throw up a shield or barrier that protects his allies. He protects them by zoning out characters and punishing those who are out of position and are too close. But if he can no longer burst characters down theres less of a reason to be afraid of him which makes him unable to fulfill his role. And its not faster dps. Its flat out less dps that requires even better aiming. That is a flat nerf. No one hits every shot. Not even if you have godlike aim. Even if you did a lot can happen between shots. An ana grenade. A Zarya barrier. Wraithform. Knock back You can be cced or be forced to reload etc.
Stallion Dan
Member
I didn't say better, I said the nerfs not that bad. And some of the changes actually help with what you just highlighted as a weakness.
Earthpainting
Member
I agree, but I don't think that's entirely without reason. It feels a bit like yet another element that clouds his role in the game. He's always been in this weird halfway point between DPS and tank. His kit relied on his hook bringing people in close, and anyone he caught was punished for it. A Roadhog that can't finish the job is just a Roadhog that just brings danger closer to him. I'm not sure what Blizzard has planned for him, but I hope they at least have a plan in mind.
Stallion Dan
Member
Yeah no one hits every shot, so now at least there is less downtime after a missed one and an extra shot before need reload.
blankempathy
Member
Which weaknesses does it help? Edited to respond to the post above. But that just makes it worse. If you land a shot you're flat out doing less damage pre nerf which means you have to land at least a second one to make up the difference. Also like I stated above a lot can happen between two shots.
I'd go as far to argue that hes actually more of a dps character now than a tank. And a bad one at that. If hes unable to create a zone of death his role as a tank is useless. He is now just a fat mid range character with no escape that can throw out some spammy dps. Not burst dps but the dps that enemy healers love to munch on to fill their ults.
Stallion Dan
Member
You're making arguments like every enemy is at full health constantly. If you got several low health targets then more shots and faster rate of fire is better. If the enemy in a choke you can now spam that shit down better, if you team isn't helping when you land a hook you're probably gonna lose anyway because no teamwork is death.
It's a team game, using one man island examples to complain makes them poor examples.
One Man Apocalypse no character is.
blankempathy
Member
Good healers are going to try their best to keep their team mates topped off yes. Its even easier to do with spam hog not dealing as heavy damage as before. If you've got several low health targets then your team isn't exactly focusing are they? Also low health targets don't generally just stand around waiting to die. You're more likely to come across full health players and in team fights bursting down one player can turn the game in your favor. At a choke good players are even better at avoiding those hook by standing behind tanks or behind walls or other objects. You see roadhog and you expect the hook so you position yourself away from it.
Nuno Pinto
Member
According to Oversumo I'm a Grandmaster Mercy and Master Winston. idontbelieveyou.gif
Regarding the Hog, in the last patches I took the approach of "wait and see" before coming to a conclusion, everybody knows that apparently with every patch Blizzard breaks one character or the game as a whole. But in this case I think they fucked up. Roadhog now adds nothing to the game, and the whole "well it brings enemies closer so everybody focuses them" is bullshit. People have a hard fucking time focusing enemies with discord orb and you want them to focus on a hooked guy? LMAO. I hope they rework the changes a bit, because the damage nerf is ridiculous. "But he can spam damage". So do 90% of the characters, and most of those are going to be better at kiling enemies than Hog right now.
Of course maybe I'm wrong and the problem is that we all should change how we play that big fat crazy man...but even with that, what would you change? Sticking together? You can have an Orisa that is better at spamming damage and also provide barriers. I just feel bad because I used to enjoyed picking Roadhog from time to time.
Regarding the Hog, in the last patches I took the approach of "wait and see" before coming to a conclusion, everybody knows that apparently with every patch Blizzard breaks one character or the game as a whole. But in this case I think they fucked up. Roadhog now adds nothing to the game, and the whole "well it brings enemies closer so everybody focuses them" is bullshit. People have a hard fucking time focusing enemies with discord orb and you want them to focus on a hooked guy? LMAO. I hope they rework the changes a bit, because the damage nerf is ridiculous. "But he can spam damage". So do 90% of the characters, and most of those are going to be better at kiling enemies than Hog right now.
Of course maybe I'm wrong and the problem is that we all should change how we play that big fat crazy man...but even with that, what would you change? Sticking together? You can have an Orisa that is better at spamming damage and also provide barriers. I just feel bad because I used to enjoyed picking Roadhog from time to time.
TimeEffect
Member
Playing on console here, how good is McCree's ult now?
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Play outside his range. Why do people not understand this? Hook cannot go through walls. His scrap gun has major blind spots. Zenyatta gets destroyed by Roadhog. His hitbox is a mile wide, his mobility sucks, and he's incredibly easy to one-shot. And yet I still managed to not be constantly dead when the other team had a Roadhog. It's almost like not playing like an idiot is beneficial.
All of the offense and defense heroes other than Tracer outrange Roadhog's hook. Character has always had so much counterplay and yet people insisted on complaining. The number of Genjis on my team I've seen wander into hook range, jump around predictably, and then bitch incessantly when they got killed (and never switched heroes or rethought their approach), jeez.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I'm only seeing myself picking hog if my team is having troubles breaking a choke point, by destroying the shields and trying to get someone hooked hoping that my team can capitalize on it.
I liked to play hog anywhere basically, especially while soloq. Even though my wr wasn't positive with him I always felt like a lot of my wins with him would've been losses if I had played other character.
This is gonna hurt soloq that's for sure. If I feel like there's not enough healing or cover to stay alive as Zarya it's time to be that 4th or 5th dps I guess, I'll start playing more bastion/mei/sombra.
Too many hours of support kinda burn me out of this game, I'd rather lose rank than support dps that don't even know the targets that they are suppose to focus on or tanks that just stay there waiting for a miracle to happen.
I liked to play hog anywhere basically, especially while soloq. Even though my wr wasn't positive with him I always felt like a lot of my wins with him would've been losses if I had played other character.
This is gonna hurt soloq that's for sure. If I feel like there's not enough healing or cover to stay alive as Zarya it's time to be that 4th or 5th dps I guess, I'll start playing more bastion/mei/sombra.
Too many hours of support kinda burn me out of this game, I'd rather lose rank than support dps that don't even know the targets that they are suppose to focus on or tanks that just stay there waiting for a miracle to happen.
Nocturnowl
Member
Good enough that I end up playing with inaccurate McCree players who are far more likely to watch their teammates die trying to capture a point while they play entirely around trying to get a sick quad kill PotG with it instead of actively helping and succeeding because of how much faster it is now despite the other team knowing he's been peeking out of the upper level of Horizon point B for a good 30 seconds. I mean sure we lost but hey McCree you got that cool PotG that didn't actually help because we were all dead by the time you finally used it.
Sorry, I had to vent that experience from yesterday.
Nocturnowl
Member
Someone has to shred those defence barriers!
Random aside: Low gravity mode may be awful but the hilarity of using Bastion to leap off a high ledge and transform in mid air to falling with style turret mode is cracking stuff.
racketpunch
Member
Yup, Dva was OP when she got hit with a nerf. People complaining about Roadhog's hook being too strong need to learn positioning.
Yep, shredding Orisas and Reins shields just to constantly break their defense is enough. And I've had better luck running him for my hitscan over soldier and Mccree lately. I like to play a lot more mobile than people give bastions credit for. The mobile healing is a big factor, tho. I'd play soldier over him if that was never patched in.
Roadhog is dead, buried. Hooked a soldier with 3/4 of his health remaining, only managed to shoot him once before he pop up his heals and proceeded to kill me.
TimeEffect
Member
I started using Roadhog before he got nerfed. Never played him before, very much liked him. Never had an issue getting killed by him, so I hope they reverse the nerf
But...that's what I'm saying, that he adds nothing to the game now. This change was unnecesary.
Nuno Pinto
Member
RIP
05/2016 - 06/2017
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Just adding to what you said.
Oh ok, my bad. I thought you understood that I was happy with the changes because I didn't like old Hog.
therealist
Member
His Tracer is godly as well, pretty sure he doesn't bother playing Tracer in Ranked matches anymore because it'd be way too easy for him to just wreck the other team.