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New PS3 Model (CECH-4000) Registered on FCC (Jeff_Rigby alert)

^ you're comparing the package size, that's mostly pointless. the RSX die is below the metal heat spreader, you can only see it in Super Slim shot in middle of 4 gddr3 ram chips. This is how RSX looked like in earlier models. you can see that it's smaller now because it's on a smaller technology, but package size is pretty much same still. I can't find any pics of it in the slim models. The RSX package in SSdoesn't have the metallic heat spreader, the pack size is still same, don't compare the die in super slim with the pack in previous models.


800px-RSX-GDDR-BGA-lifted.jpg


it had a square shape before, now it's rectangular and smaller

SS

Makes sense. Thanks!
 
Today, shares of Sony (NYSE:SNE) have crossed bullishly above their 10-day moving average of $11.96 on a volume of 771K shares. Swing traders may find an opportunity for a long position, as such a crossover often suggests higher prices in the near term.Potential upside of 41.8% exists for Sony, based on a current level of $12.16 and analysts' average consensus price target of $17.24. Sony shares should encounter resistance at the 200-day moving average (MA) of $15.72 and support at the 50-day MA of $11.94.

Sony stock was up $.50 over yesterday in a notable jump at opening. This happened also just before TGS. Something coming?
 
Sony stock was up $.50 over yesterday in a notable jump at opening. This happened also just before TGS. Something coming?

Sony's name has been bandied about as one of many Google Nexus phone manufacturers - i.e. not just one Nexus model, but one from LG, Samsung, Sony etc.
 
Does Nasne support NTSC or ATSC?

EDIT: If not, is there a tuner/pvr that's supported in NA for the PS3?
Who knows with Sony but the cites I provided here have this:

The Sony Nasne is the first product of its kind and a central addition to Sony’s strategy for the connected home. Nasne provides multiple users with the ability to watch and record digital terrestrial and satellite broadcast through dedicated applications such as “torne” for PlayStation3 (PS3 and “VAIO TV”. Users will also be able to access recorded content from their PlayStationVita (PS Vita), Sony Tablet, VAIO PCs, Xperia™ TVs or any other Digital Living Network Alliance DLNA Certified® TV, SmartPhone, Tablet or PC and stream this throughout the home.

With the first product launch in Japan
I assume a version is coming to the US too.

I'm expecting the Xbox 720 will have the features of NASNE built into it.

phosphor112 said:
EDIT: Woops PSM launched the 3rd.
Yeah, something other than that, could be a number of things but the volume is too large at opening to be small buyers.
 

Jhriad

Member
the reviews on amazon (de) seem lackluster at best...
lots of complaining about noise

Does anyone have any experience with this? I really need to get a replacement PS3 but I was hoping the new model wouldn't have the annoyingly loud disk drive problem that the old Slim has.
 
Just got a PS3 4K and power consumption at the XMB has dropped from 61 watts to 54 watts. This could just be my meter being out of spec.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Sony stock was up $.50 over yesterday in a notable jump at opening. This happened also just before TGS. Something coming?

Oh no, I'm not falling for this again.

Jeff rigby
Don't believe his lies
 
Saw this comment on the blog, in the new ps store post:

+ AriesWarlock on October 11th, 2012 at 12:24 pm said:

Hello Mr. Lempel

I wonder if there has been some work done on the download list? It would be great if there was a search option. Also sort out by dates and alphabetically. Even further, separate lists into DLC, PSN games, full games, demos, etc.

+ Morgan Haro on October 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm said:

We know that searching the “My Downloads” list is important to a lot of you guys. Because the new PlayStation Store is built on HTML 5, it gives us the flexibility to seamlessly add new features and capabilities, so there is certainly potential to look at this more closely. But for Day One, the download list functionality will be as is. But we’re aware of the improvement opportunity here.

Source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/10/11/new-playstation-store-coming-october-23rd/#comment-767038
 

lunchtoast

Member
Does anyone have any experience with this? I really need to get a replacement PS3 but I was hoping the new model wouldn't have the annoyingly loud disk drive problem that the old Slim has.

You can hear the disc while playing. When I was playing Reckoning KoA I could hear it spinning every 30 sec or so....it was kind of annoying but compared to a first gen PS3 I'm not going to complain.
 
New Xbox 360 dashboard October 26 at about the same time the US PS store gets a new look and GameStop just reduced the price of two Xbox 360 SKUs by $50.00 to clear inventory. New dashboard does not include a IE browser, it's coming later.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/21106-psn-maintenance-due-ahead-of-playstation-store-redesign-launch/ said:
In order to prepare one's PlayStation 3 for the imminent re-launch of the PlayStation Store, a lengthy maintenance period will go live in the next hour.

PlayStation Network maintenance begins today at 1 PM UK time and will run until 2 AM tomorrow, October 16.

During the maintenance, PSN users won't be able to access account management, account registration, transactions and the Sony Entertainment website. Online play shouldn't be affected, but, either way, if you sign in before the maintenance begins you'll definitely stay connected and be able to play online.

The PlayStation Store re-design will launch on October 17 for European PlayStation 3 owners, while the North America Store receives the re-launch on October 23.

Japan's Nintendo according to PC World will be lowering the price of their Wii console to just around $130 to possibly get entry level gamers on board and to clear the way for their new console the Wii U whose North American release date is set for Nov. 30, to go along with its release in Europe and Australia on Nov. 30 and Dec. 8 in Japan.

The Wii console price drop will happen on Oct. 28 and consumers will be able to pick up the system with Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort compacted on one single disc for the very first time.
All are preparing for the Holiday season. The Gamestop clearance could be preparing for a new refreshed Xbox 360.

Oct 23 PSN US Store redesign
Oct 26 Xbox 360 Dashboard update
Oct 28 Wii price drop

30 day gap

Nov 30 Wii U release
What are Sony and Microsoft saving for around this date to steal Wii U's thunder or to match features?

My guess:
Xbox 360 refresh announced, Browser launch. App store announced
PS3 Major browser update with possible Free WebMAF APPs and a PSN APP store announced.
 
Finally found an answer to Sony skipping 32nm for cell: in a 2007 article.

Urban planning for chip process migration may indicate "up" instead of "out": In a recent thinkpiece, Solid State Technology magazine notes the growing trend of companies to plan for 3D integrated circuits and takes a look at what could be driving the move to 3D approaches using through-silicon vias (TSVs):

- Slow integration of low-k dielectric technology thanks to problems with mechanical failure, delamination, and other issues.
- Latency and processing speed for multicore processing (a difficulty which could be helped by shorter traces, TSVs, in the z-axis within bonded chip stacks).
- Hetero-integration (stacking a variety of chips requiring different processes).
- Form factor issues.

The article cites a report from chip manufacturers that discovered no difference in electrical performance between 32 and 22nm chips and postulated that to gain performance, it could be a lot cheaper to avoid changing to the 22nm-level litho and processes and just to stack the 32nm-feature processors. In fact, these techniques are already in use with memory chips.
Sony reduced the connection length in the 45nm cell with a new backless manufacturing process and got a efficiency near 32nm so it makes sense they were skipping 32nm. Stacking has heat issues and IBM/AMD is not stacking till the 20nm node (2014). In Sony's case this means skipping 32nm in any case. At the 20nm node the article supports stacking to get more efficiency not that 20nm it'self is more efficient than 32nm.

So if there is to be a PS3 at 22nm then a total redesign with 2.5D or 3D stacking. 20nm process will be ready late 2013 so the SuperSlim could be a placeholder for a totally redesigned 2014 PS3 @22nm. Or the PS4 if it's cheap enough and has BC replaces the PS3.
 
Sony PlayStation 3 Gets 3C Certificate

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/11/07/researcher-confirms-sony-playstation-3-remains-banned-in-china/ said:
According to foreign media, the PlayStation 3 game console developed by Sony Corporation (NYSE: SNE) has obtained the China Compulsory Certification (3C) certificate from the China Quality Certification Center (CQC).

This has aggravated outsiders' speculation that PlayStation 3 will enter Chinese market and break China's ban on game consoles.

Sony obtained the China Compulsory Certification (3C) in July 2012 for the PS3, but this in no way means it has bypassed the ban on consoles or that the ban on consoles has been overturned. A 3C is issued by the Certification and Accreditation Administration, which ultimately falls under the State Council. A 3C is required if a product is to be manufactured, sold, imported and used in China.

The ban on consoles refers to game machines. There have recently been several mentions of a related segment that Niko calls “game console alternatives.” These are TV-based, local multiplayer games controlled by a controller, but they run from a system on chip (SOC) or from a set-top box. This is a nascent segment but growing, and it seems that the console ban does not apply to it.
So consoles that primarily support XTV are not banned. That's the PS3 with some firmware updates that we are expecting!
 

CozMick

Banned
Got myself a 500gb yesterday.

Anyone with disc ocd should avoid this console at all costs. (there has to be more than me that avoids scratching and getting finger prints...ever!) ?

Getting the disc into the "tray" without getting prints all over the readable part is nigh on an impossibility. (although I did finally manage it :p)

Sony should be shot for designing a tray that is too small for the disc and 2 fingers lol.
 

androvsky

Member
Sony PlayStation 3 Gets 3C Certificate

So consoles that primarily support XTV are not banned. That's the PS3 with some firmware updates that we are expecting!

I kinda see where you're coming from, but even assuming the quote meant set-top boxes in the sense that they're TV tuners of some sort, is XTV a proposed standard in China?

TV-based likely means in this context that the games are played on a TV as opposed to a computer, and the difference between the alternatives and regular consoles is the local multiplayer; mention of set-top box doesn't necessarily imply TV tuner (or DVD player, etc.). I think the content is the real differentiation here.

The local multiplayer requirement might help explain Sony's sudden fascination with it, with LittleBigKarting and PS All-Stars coming out this fall.
 
I kinda see where you're coming from, but even assuming the quote meant set-top boxes in the sense that they're TV tuners of some sort, is XTV a proposed standard in China?

TV-based likely means in this context that the games are played on a TV as opposed to a computer, and the difference between the alternatives and regular consoles is the local multiplayer; mention of set-top box doesn't necessarily imply TV tuner (or DVD player, etc.). I think the content is the real differentiation here.

The local multiplayer requirement might help explain Sony's sudden fascination with it, with LittleBigKarting and PS All-Stars coming out this fall.
I think you are right, what's happening is these SoC sticks that plug into a TV or a Set Top box are getting as or will soon be as powerful as a PS3. With PC gaming and TV gaming the ban on a game console that overlaps both the PC games and TV games does not make sense.

And yes, China is trying to create a domestic market for Super High Definition and XTV, the works. The ATSC 3.0 in the US is the same as the international standard that Japan, China, Brasil, Korea and more agreed to. ATSC 3.0 builds on ATSC 2.0 which has Extended TV/Internet as part of the standard.

The domestic market drives innovation which they plan to sell to us.

A SoC in a PS4 reduces the motherboard complexity and reduces Sony's need to have it produced in China. With that comes leverage, continuing to produce in China may be tied to a relaxing of restrictions. In any case the PS4 could be classified as a PC.
 
Every time I try to search for what XTV actually is I either get porn sites or find jeff_rigby posts on random forums.
Is there a simple description somewhere?

Maybe it's shorthand for some other system but it's such a predictable acronym that it's used all over the place for TV related things. I'm genuinely having a hard time finding it..
 
Every time I try to search for what XTV actually is I either get porn sites or find jeff_rigby posts on random forums.
Is there a simple description somewhere?

Maybe it's shorthand for some other system but it's such a predictable acronym that it's used all over the place for TV related things. I'm genuinely having a hard time finding it..

This thread and post #41 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41600606&postcount=41

It's around a 2001 standard with NBC and others prototyping in 2007. This from 2001 when the PS3 was being designed:

The focus of the ATVEF is on leveraging existing Internet standards (HTML 4.0, CSS1, ECMAscript, DOM) to deliver an enhanced TV experience, in order to make content production for digital television less expensive and more convenient for consumers. The alliance - comprising of among others Microsoft, Intel, Disney, NBC, Cablelabs, DirecTV, Sony and Warner Bros – defined protocols for HTML-based television, which allow content creators to deliver enhanced programming over all forms of transport (analogue, digital, cable, MMDS, and satellite) to any intelligent receivers. The ATVEF group has created a specification, called Advanced Television Enhancement Forum pecifications for Interactive Television 1.1. It describes guidelines for developing content and distributing to a variety of access devices, among them digital set-top boxes.
 
Foxconn Coming to the U.S.

Sina News reports that Foxconn, which makes components for Apple Inc. (NASDAQ: AAPL) products among others, may open a factory in the United States. Among the sites being evaluated are Detroit and Los Angeles. Since labor is so cheap in China, it is hard to see why Foxconn would make such a decision and hurt its margins.

A SoC in a PS4 reduces the motherboard complexity and reduces Sony's need to have it produced in China. With that comes leverage, continuing to produce in China may be tied to a relaxing of restrictions. In any case the PS4 could be classified as a PC.

With 3D stacking more and more will be packaged in one IC.
 
Foxconn Coming to the U.S.



A SoC in a PS4 reduces the motherboard complexity and reduces Sony's need to have it produced in China. With that comes leverage, continuing to produce in China may be tied to a relaxing of restrictions. In any case the PS4 could be classified as a PC.

With 3D stacking more and more will be packaged in one IC.
I remember your rumor about the USD devaluation... maybe that's related?
 
I remember your rumor about the USD devaluation... maybe that's related?
There are several possible reasons in the news recently.

1) Foxconn is having labor issues with workers rioting in China
2) The US dollar is going to tank, 60 years of Federal spending + projections on anti-business regulations picking up in POTUS lame duck term.
3) Shipping costs increasing
4) SoC 3D manufacture - assembly are for the next few years to be all in the same factory so no more manufacture the wafer in the US or Germany then ship out of the country and then ship back to the US.

+ I think a positive, Congress and POTUS moving jobs back to the US, no more tax breaks for devices manufactured in Korea, Taiwan, select South American countries etc. whose purpose was to build up the middle class in countries making them more stable. This was a US policy stared around the Reagan era to fight Communist expansion.

** Game changer - SoCs will eventually contain almost all the electronic components in a Consumer Electronics device reducing Labor to assemble to the point that it's economical to produce in the US. Several new Forges have been built in the US.

This may be temporary and/or may be a power play to force concessions from China.
 
The second article here is from Jan 2011 and outlines Sony plans for homegrown PS3 games for the China market. The first is recent and is necessary for the PS3 to be sold in China and is valid till 2016 so Sales of the PS3 should start before 2016. India and South America also mentioned.

Problem is the PS3 is too expensive and draws too much power for third world markets where electricity is expensive. A refresh is necessary and at 22nm in 2014 on SOI as a high power device it could be very cheap to produce. Optimally it should be a 1 chip Unified memory SoC similar to fusion processors and would require software emulation (Sony Cell MPA patent).

PS3 passes safety certification in China, valid to 2016 Story filed Nov 4th 2012

The PlayStation 3 received regulatory approval in China via the China Compulsory Certificate, which outlines safety requirements for participation in the Chinese market. Sony was granted the Certificate in July and it is valid through 2016.

Consoles in general have been banned in China since 2000, though customers are able to purchase them as grey market imports – this means the consoles are legally bought and sold, though the transactions stem from third parties not affiliated with console manufacturers. Other consoles, such as China's own Eedoo, can be sold under the label of "home entertainment devices." [Or as a PC which is exempt from the console ban]

Last we heard of Sony scoping out the Chinese PS3 market, it signed a letter of intent to implement training and R & D buildings in Guangzhou province, and hinted at developing games in the region. July's Certificate doesn't guarantee PS3 sales in China, but it's certainly a step toward a console incursion in the Asian mainland.

PlayStation expansion into China planned by Andrew Yoon on Jan 13th 2011 9:00PM

Sony is finally ready to take on one of the largest emerging markets in the world: China. A report in China Daily details Sony Computer Entertainment's plans on expanding into the Asian mainland. According to the report, Sony recently signed a letter of intent detailing plans to implement training and R&D facilities in Guangzhou province. The project is apparently "the first investment by SCEI in the mainland."

In addition to localization, Sony plans on developing games in the region. Facilitating homegrown content for local markets follows the standard set by Sony's other recent expansions into India and South America. Although a timetable for launch hasn't been set, expectations are quite high for PlayStation's first release in the country. Guangdong Animation City (GAC), an investor in PlayStation's Chinese expansion, noted that the industry could expand its worth to over 100 billion yuan (about $15 billion) annually within the next five years. Obviously, Sony would do well to capitalize on such staggering potential.

Oh, there is a leak that Sony plans on Linux support in both the PS3 and PS4 when the PS4 is released. With full support for Linux both the PS3 and PS4 can be considered PCs which are exempt from a China Console ban.

This changes the PS3 endgame. PS3 4K chassis is a placeholder till the 22nm node is ready, probably June 2014 or before the California console power law is passed.

EDIT: No BC but Gaiki like streaming from a 22nm PS3 with HSA ARM over the home network to PS4.

NeoGAF thread PS3 Cell chip being shrunk from 45nm to 22nm, when will we see this?
 
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