Time and money is exactly why multiplatform title don't take advantage of it usually. I highly doubt naughty dog is asking new hire applicants if they know assembly code bc of marketing fluff.
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Potato Masher (console-level used PC) vs PS4/PS4 Pro in Watch_Dogs 2
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Time and money is exactly why multiplatform title don't take advantage of it usually. I highly doubt naughty dog is asking new hire applicants if they know assembly code bc of marketing fluff.
LinkSlayer64
Member
Don't bring me into this shit, I use both PC and consoles.
And seriously, no one has quoted anything towards Raptor's thoughts on the Switch, how is he destroyed?
not quite yet but as i'm sure you know, they are coming later in the year
also what can a ps4 do that a pc can't? (plz don't list games)
Uh well games are the point of all this, exclusives at least. It's a game console, I don't think people are clamoring for a TurboTax port or something on PS4
It's not inherently wrong as you say, but I think the videos are made with full knowledge of where it will lead. Tinfoil hat time - I also think that's part of the purpose. The responses from both sides in these threads are still ridiculous and full of platform warrioring.
No they aren't, they'd probably like PCSX2 and ePSXe though
I'm not seeing it, it's been mostly civil to my eyes.
Lister
Banned
And I only wish you were a parody a console fanboy, but alas.
Phrozenflame500
Member
Stupid console wars aside, it's interesting to see how consoles compare to GPU hardware. The PS4 ranks lower then a 760, while the PRO ranks below the 1060. Or at least the ones used in the build.
Lister
Banned
It's like an OC'ed 1050ti I think (the Pro) with more VRAM. Or maybe a better analog would be a down-clocked 1060.
Lister
Banned
You're kidding right? I was talking about last gen consoles and the few games that either required installs or benfitted from them, but even today, some game installs take a forever on consoles.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
I think you're full of shit.
Lister
Banned
https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/ge...ke-so-long-to-install-games-on-ps4-x-1488035/
That guy might have some issues with his hardware but the rest of the thread posits 15-30 minutes as install times for Watchdogs on PS4.... that's not my definition of "few".
Downloading the game on my internet connection takes less time! and thnen it's ready to go (unless it's a new release on release day, curse you Steam decryption!).
It's a minor point though, as it happens only once.... well eveyrtime you install the game, which shouldn't be too often. The load times are the real issue, last and current gen have some comically long ones compared to my PC.
I'm not sure why he hasn't updated the set-up, you can get a lot of equivalently performing new parts for cheaper. Like you have this build with a AMD FX 460 and a pentium G4500 for $276. It'll perform about as well as a PS4. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJJqyf
As a PS4 owner, this is BS.
Just chiming in here real quick, but I was pretty happy with my 760 which generally got slightly-over-PS4 performance... until DOOM. Maybe I didn't mess with the settings enough, but at 900p on medium I was just not able to keep the demo up to 60. I know the console version has dynamic resolution while the PC version doesn't.
Any PC circa 2013 should do better than base PS4 performance wise just on account of the CPU not being total garbage.
The Pro, having higher bandwidth and GPU power is more of a toss up but still a low to midrange PC at this rate, even more bottlenecked by the CPU and relative bandwidth increase than base PS4.
If your getting a PS4 over a PC, performance is def not the reason to get one. Convenience factor, closed ecosystem and exclusive games def apply though.
The Pro, having higher bandwidth and GPU power is more of a toss up but still a low to midrange PC at this rate, even more bottlenecked by the CPU and relative bandwidth increase than base PS4.
If your getting a PS4 over a PC, performance is def not the reason to get one. Convenience factor, closed ecosystem and exclusive games def apply though.
AstroNut325
Member
Isn't this PC made with gifted or obtained for free parts?
Doesn't even matter when you can get equivalently performing brand new parts for a hundred dollars less. I think the point is that old hardware still holds up, though.
I just checked, it took about 10 seconds to install Until Dawn. I can upload video if you want.
Lister
Banned
Every game should offer that and Sparse rendering as options, IMHO. Maybe they will someday.
However, your setting might have been set higher than on a PS4.
You said any game. Not specifically one game. And there's a difference between "early play" install and fully install. I've had early play install take seconds, then full installs take an hour or more.
This is only to get into the game, you can't literally install the game to HDD in 10 seconds. PS4 allows you to play the game in chunks if your starting at the beginning, otherwise you have to download it all first which usually happens as your playing, you can't just pop in a game that hasn't been installed and skip straight to the middle of the game from an existing save.
Not that it matters, but of course it's not fully installed at that time, though it is playable.
You didn't install 40 gigs in 10 seconds. You're simply playing what little they allow you to, some games are better about expanding the play area as you install than others, most barely let you play a tutorial while you wait for a full install that can take an hour or more.
Lister
Banned
10 seconds to install a 48 GB game on a 5400 rpm harddrive?
ViolentP
Member
Incorrect.
Lister
Banned
Another feature that only a few games on PC have, which they all should have.
Well, I can play it right now. So your information about "the looooong installs" was false.
^
I'm telling you, you are mistaken.
I don't understand how the thread got to this point. PC's are superior in performance to consoles and the price to performance ratio shrinks every day for these current machines.
There should be no 'war' between consoles and PC's on their pros and cons on these grounds which are layed by facts.
You can be limited in game though.
Saucycarpdog
Member
All these flavors and you choose to be salty?
I'm not. Few seconds for first chunk, and a few minutes max for a full game, as I said before in this thread:
As it fully installed after a few minutes - nope. And you don't even need to download updates to play a game, btw (except multiplayer-only games)
LelouchZero
Member
10 seconds? Installation from the disc? How is that possible, isn't the game 40+ GB?
IIRC it took me around 10-15 minutes to install Horizon Zero Dawn and Final Fantasy 15.
I don't even know how long mine take, every time I buy a PS4 game I just leave it to install and download all the patches, that shit can take forever for sure. Not as bad as the PS3 though -.-
Seeing how most AAA games ship today you'll probably want to.
GavinUK86
Member
I love these potato masher videos but these threads are really something. They start out pretty cool then always turn into a shit show of people who aren't even interested in PC gaming.
Your PS4 is fine. No one is attacking you because you own one. No need to act like it needs defending.
Some people have a PC and all the consoles, some people pick and choose. There's no need to attack anyone.
This video is aimed at PC gamers who have aging hardware. He's letting them know if an old cheap PC can run the latest games.
Your PS4 is fine. No one is attacking you because you own one. No need to act like it needs defending.
Some people have a PC and all the consoles, some people pick and choose. There's no need to attack anyone.
This video is aimed at PC gamers who have aging hardware. He's letting them know if an old cheap PC can run the latest games.
First-party and most Japanese games run just fine without "day-1" patches.
Also PC has absolutely the same issue with AAA games.
Caayn
Member
He's confusing ready to play with a completed installation.
There doesn't exist a consumer grade drive that supports the read speeds needed to transfer that amount of data in such a short time frame.
No it's price matched to the PS4 at release.
Different PC parts have a different life cycle . A case you bought ten years ago is still up to the task.The CPU and motherboard last long (that might change next console generation). The i750 they used is a 2009. That's from deep within the PS3 area. The GPU is something you might want to change more often. A PC doesn't follow generations and almost never dies at once.
Comparing the value is not disingenuous, it's probably the most valid method of putting hardware against each other and if you want to enter PC gaming in 2014 that build probably was a good idea.
The interesting story here is more that there are a lot of people underestimating their PC parts. Comments like "my i2500 is becoming a little old" are just not true if you use consoles as baseline. The mainstream tech sites are largely promoting a needless urgency to exchange parts and cards like a GTX 1080 are more of a status symbol than anything else. Not that they would't deliver more performance but the value proposition is weak even if you don't factor in the diminishing returns of upcomputing console level assets.
It makes no odds to me either which way, but you've got to call out bullshit when you see it - Anyone who says this is a comparison worth making is chatting it.
You could easily flip this on its head and say "My mate sold me his PS4 for £50. There's no way a PC could match this price when it comes to value for money!"
No shit Sherlock.
It's interesting to know what PC builds can get you what performance, but any kind of price / performance comparison with consoles is worthless beyond seeking to wind people up for clicks.
Edit: and why waste time arguing about games or installation times or what have you. That's all subjective, not measurable like hardware performance is, and you'll never agree anyway.
You could easily flip this on its head and say "My mate sold me his PS4 for £50. There's no way a PC could match this price when it comes to value for money!"
No shit Sherlock.
It's interesting to know what PC builds can get you what performance, but any kind of price / performance comparison with consoles is worthless beyond seeking to wind people up for clicks.
Edit: and why waste time arguing about games or installation times or what have you. That's all subjective, not measurable like hardware performance is, and you'll never agree anyway.
Well, most PS4 games aren't AAA games either.
Some feel the need to defend what is not even being attacked.
We were talking about AAA games though.
GavinUK86
Member
Yet they still need day one patches.
I'm not comparing libraries. I'm saying that no one gets a console because it's more powerful than a PC. They get it for the games that attract them.
In comparing libraries, CK2 and Civ 4 are some of my most favorite games ever and I just got Battlegrounds too. But I'd still say I rather have the PS4 exclusive library than my PC's. Not to mention, most of the worthwhile games on PC end up on console anyway.
Yeah, the used parts price is hilarious. Bring me a PC similar to PS4 specs that costs $150 and comes up with BF4 and a lawn chair if you wanna compete with Craigslist used deals.
None of the games i listed are on there, but nice attempt.
see above
Expected, but I guess it's slightly better than #PCMASTERRACE
Rellik
Member
Amazing that we have gone a full page on Lister's comments about long install times on last generation consoles. That's what he was talking about. And he's correct. It was also one of many reasons for me getting a PC last gen. Going from a 360/PS3 to a SSD on PC was mind blowing.
But even if he meant current gen, yes they still take forever. No, you did not install a 40GB game in 10 seconds on your PS4. That's really naive to think the first part of the game is a full install.
I have a Pro and the full installs take a long ass time.
I also still have that PC and not much has been upgraded in that time, so threads like these are definitely interesting to me. Just a shame console warriors get so defensive.
But even if he meant current gen, yes they still take forever. No, you did not install a 40GB game in 10 seconds on your PS4. That's really naive to think the first part of the game is a full install.
I have a Pro and the full installs take a long ass time.
I also still have that PC and not much has been upgraded in that time, so threads like these are definitely interesting to me. Just a shame console warriors get so defensive.
Your mate gifted you ~150$ then. At 200-250$ a used PC vs a PS4 would be an interesting comparison.