Orniletter
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So Sony didn't know how basic online worked Christmas 2014 when PSN was down for several days due to extremely high demand either ? Preloading very much wasn't a thing back then too.
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It's 2017 Nintendo, why you can't you do basic online
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
My point is that shit like this isn't new and crap like OP and some of the posters here are doing the usual hyperbole to the point that it makes you wonder if people here never actually accessed video game services like Steam. Yeah it sucks about the mic situation which is really dumb, but people for some odd reason refer to that part and apply it to anything unrelated. It's like saying "oh shit the voice chat setup is needlessly garbage, Zelda is crappy now!"
And is it really "a 2008 year old practice" when they've actually been doing preloading on their previous machines and just the new one not having it? Hell we still have the "Nintendo accounts!" post up above.
Sony is dumb too.
And_Gignac
Member
Few major companies as incompetent as Nintendo is certain aspect like online or manufacturing. Literally amateur hour.
This is the reason for many things I did not do in life
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
is this the revisionist "nintendo doesn't do preload and account system" post
and no, there's a difference between "switch has no preload" and "nintendo doesn't implement preload"
Their online is functional and it works. Yes it lacks bells and whistles, but that's not a sign of incompetence
Orniletter
Banned
The point is, shit happens to everyone in the business. The eShop is already back up and people can buy Splatoon 2 again.
These cringeworthy hot takes make someone like the OP sound like they have the memory of a goldfish.
Na. Since the release of the app, it's become cool to shit on Nintendo again, even with incorrect context/basis.
The app is clearly a misstep, but the way people are acting is ridiculous.
Team Andromeda
Member
Because it takes and costs billions. Nintendo online is a complete joke
perfectchaos007
Member
My plane leaves in 3 hours. I was hoping to download this and play on my flight. oh well
The eShop is functional and back online. You should be able to do so
No boo it's always cool to shit on Nintendo lol.
I think that is a bit of a factor in it, yeah.
I stopped caring about voice chat when I kept getting 11 year olds telling me to kill myself and using obscene amounts of profanity on games with 18+ ratings.
That doesn't excuse the app being a mess, though. However people can't see that. They see the app being dodgy and assume Nintendo are incompetent/incapable at features unrelated to the app
"I'm healthy, so you can't be sick" level of logic.
This is a good example of why making consoles that use backward compatible parts will be good for everyone. So Nintendo doesn't have to reinvent the wheel every console.
What's nice for Sony about Pro or a hardware bc ps5? That they don't have to write a whole OS from scratch every time. Would really help out Nintendo to be able to solve a problem once and keep using it, since basic online stuff is extremely challenging for them.
What's nice for Sony about Pro or a hardware bc ps5? That they don't have to write a whole OS from scratch every time. Would really help out Nintendo to be able to solve a problem once and keep using it, since basic online stuff is extremely challenging for them.
Here's my prediction:
-- Japan is clueless and calling the shots.
-- The US office knows that terrible decisions are being made, they're probably tearing their hair out, but have no power to fix anything before ship.
-- Hi US office! I know you guys are reading NeoGAF. I feel for you, I've been there.
-- All the US can do is translate (bad) feedback so the mothership can slowly course correct. If they even care.
That being said, Japanese gamers are going to tear this shit apart too, so they'll likely get attacked from both Western and Eastern markets.
-- Japan is clueless and calling the shots.
-- The US office knows that terrible decisions are being made, they're probably tearing their hair out, but have no power to fix anything before ship.
-- Hi US office! I know you guys are reading NeoGAF. I feel for you, I've been there.
-- All the US can do is translate (bad) feedback so the mothership can slowly course correct. If they even care.
That being said, Japanese gamers are going to tear this shit apart too, so they'll likely get attacked from both Western and Eastern markets.
But why be this obtuse for everyone?
Why not implement a system that's been tried and tested for over a decade and then set the default to mute all and have an opt in if you want to hear voice chat, that way Nintendo "protects the children" and has a system people would want to use.
No. It's me wondering what happened since the servers are back online.
It could be his download paused due to a network disconnection, since that happens.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You could really tell which ones never owned a Nintendo item if they keep parroting the "Nintendo never did preload". It's weird since fucking /v/ of all places is more nuanced about stuff like this. lol
Or you know, the usual "so many people downloading that the service gets shot" scenario.
Or you know, the usual "so many people downloading that the service gets shot" scenario.
Let's play this game. How many people do you estimate?
Considering the Switch install base in NA, the attach rate, the usual ratio of digital buyers (plus 5% bonus for popularity and availability for Splatoon 2) and the ratio of day 1 buyers? Think about it.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
the eshop access also includes Japan since I think it's the same release
said Japan users apparently blew Amazon JP
so yeah they should have seen this coming, but at the same time I won't associate this shit as "lol incompetent nintendo because they can't voice chat"
Japan launched many hours before this. Different timezone.
Who remembers that story where Nintendo online engineers hadn't even used PSN or XBL to see what the comp was doing before the Wii U launch?
I'm pretty sure that was a real story I read on Gaf.
Their ass backwards approach to online is a seevere L for the Switch.
I like the system quite a lot but the basic online features/voice chat/matchmaking with friends/messaging is complete garbage
I'm pretty sure that was a real story I read on Gaf.
Their ass backwards approach to online is a seevere L for the Switch.
I like the system quite a lot but the basic online features/voice chat/matchmaking with friends/messaging is complete garbage
Hero-of-Time
Member
I don't think it is. How many years have we had this song and dance over on N-E about Nintendo getting online gaming up to scratch? People are sick and tired of having to put up with a lack of online communication features on Nintendo platforms. I just see the reaction to the app as years of pent up frustrations from gamers wanting Nintendo to just do what the other platforms have been doing for years now.
It wouldn't be a factor if the had party chat at an OS level, rather than voice chat on a game by game basis. Nintendo could just limit party chat to those you have on your list. I imagine most people just want to just talk to those on their friends list anyway and have a laugh with those people they actually know.
There are also other options such as being able to mute players or somehow using the parental app to control who kids can communicate with.
MatrixMan.EXE
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So why doesn't it have it on the Switch? This thread is more than just about the e-shop crashing.
Oh boy, what a surprise. Do you play other gaming systems? Do you realise that the Switch having an app as the only options for features that other systems both home and handheld have had for nearly a decade is not what a global company like Nintendo should be providing their fans in 2017? And even still that app is both poorly designed and is STILL missing industry standard features. People are not being ridiculous. To act as if this shit is okay is ridiculous.
Money which they've made hand over first for years now. Nintendo and its fans are always talking about how much money the company makes, so why is that money not being reinvested into online and networking? They can't honestly expect the likes of Splatoon 2 to take off with mainstream audiences if they can't even sort out their online services.
ZombiePlatypus
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My only hope is people who make decisions at Nintendo will hear all this feedback and correct things.
That's the thing: there's already a Parental Controls app, so surely they could implement functionality of toggling voice chat there. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop people from just using other apps like Skype, Curse or whatever.
And one could think it's a hardware limitation on the Switch but then why even need the Switch plugged in at all? Maybe Nintendo don't want to feel cheap by telling people to just use other apps but honestly, it'd be surprising if people got annoyed by that suggestion. By 2017, at least for me, that's how I'm voice chatting with friends 90% of the time. (If not on Steam)
But this is same level of arbitrariness that gave us friend codes, so it could still be based on concern over children and strangers.
It's not a matter of can or can't. It is so clearly not a priority for them. Nintendo is not interested in investing in and executing features like online voice chat the same way they are in executing features like docked and undocked gameplay or local multiplayer or a simple (maybe too simple) eshop. In areas where they care, they execute fairly well. Where they don't, we get half-assed stuff or stuff that makes no sense. Another clear example, sharing screenshots improved greatly between the WiiU and Switch. Nintendo wants people to be able to easily share screenshots thru social media and the process is very easy and fast on the Switch. They prioritized that and executed it well. Voicechat...not so much.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
then there's a possible traffic effect then
Broken Hope
Member
You know when its a feature that everyone else has it stops being considered a bell and whistle right?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I can't wait for when preloading becomes a part of an update, people will post "welcome to present day nintendo", as though they didn't have it in previous systems, and it's as if updating features weren't a thing
then there's a possible traffic effect then
then there's a possible traffic effect then
Would you be satisfied if people posted "welcome back to the present Nintendo"?
Broken Hope
Member
If people honestly think its server load then Nintendo are screwed if they get the stock situation fixed if they cant even handle current Switch users.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Simply put it's not a high enough priority from the person who makes that decision.
Very simple they have the money to do it right they can hire the right people but if there is no will from JP it will not get done.
Very simple they have the money to do it right they can hire the right people but if there is no will from JP it will not get done.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
at least it did my expectations
mind you I'm more on attacking OP's hyperbolic premise and the snide comments due to one aspect suddenly spreading, not defending nintendo's stupid mic chat set up
The Switch does have basic online, or was my Mario Kart and ARMS online play nonexistent. Hmm...
You do know I'm not defending the app and am saying it's a mistake, right?
That's not really how it works. The Switch has basic online, so the entire narrative of this thread is flawed.
I'm not saying they don't need criticism for the app. It's a bizarre option. My issue is with people making hyperbolic and inaccurate statements just because of their disdain for the app.
Yes, server workload is practically a cost topic. Somebody in Japan or NoA decided that they don't want to pay more to have a decent capacity.
Monkeyball
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It's a big deal really. Nintendo sucks at online.
And for a lot of multiplayer games, online is what keeps a game fun.
It's not just their online service that sucks, but their games also lack the basic feautures that keep online games fun. Like there is 0 progression or reason to keep playing Mario Kart online.
And for a lot of multiplayer games, online is what keeps a game fun.
It's not just their online service that sucks, but their games also lack the basic feautures that keep online games fun. Like there is 0 progression or reason to keep playing Mario Kart online.
My guess is there was heavy traffic. It started slowly going up a bit after I made that post.
Night Angel
Member
Would you consider someone saying that the lack of real team matchmaking in their main multiplayer releases is an enormous misstep? That their inability to include chat and other party features on the console itself is indicative of a complete lack of knowledge on modern online infrastructure? That releasing a barebones app that doesn't even compare to other optional companion apps as a MANDATORY APP to access statistics and friend lobbies on a third party device is utterly absurd?
What are some examples of the hyperbole you're so eager to defend Nintendo from? The majority of the feedback is utter disbelief and contempt, sure, but it isn't especially hyperbolic. Sometimes a shit product deserves to be called what it is (the online, app, and general lack of multimedia features in this case, not the console itself. The console is fine).
If this is all stemming from you defining "basic online" as "can play with strangers" rather than "the current standard of online gaming," that's more a failure on your part to understand context than it is a flaw in anyone's argument.
Aztechnology
Member
Underrated post lol.
Sniffynose
Member
The App and it's existence is a complete farce, and seriously what kind of fucking idiots leave 5 star reviews for that steaming pile of shit on google play... I can't even....
I think it's more an issue with people conflating the definition of basic to the definition of standard.
Also, again, I am not defending the app here. Why are people acting like I am?
The hyperbole is quite clear if you look at this thread and the other one. For one, people sharing that third party solution acting like that's what Nintendo intend for you to have. That's the epitome of it.
What's Nintendo intend then? What's their solution for hearing both the game audio and voice chat?
No headphones and wires
Night Angel
Member
The third party solution being the audio mixer from Hori?
You're saying, then, that Nintendo doesn't want anyone to have both audio sources in one set of headphones then, right? Because they've released nothing on that front.
Or are you talking about the phone cradle? Because once again, they've left us without alternatives.
Or maybe you mean people advocating discord instead of the horrible Nintendo app that won't let you use your phone for anything else (other than maybe a space heater)? Because yeah, they certainly don't want that.
Or is it the fact that we have to use 3rd party devices to even access the app in the first place? Because that definitely was intentional.
You're saying, then, that Nintendo doesn't want anyone to have both audio sources in one set of headphones then, right? Because they've released nothing on that front.
Or are you talking about the phone cradle? Because once again, they've left us without alternatives.
Or maybe you mean people advocating discord instead of the horrible Nintendo app that won't let you use your phone for anything else (other than maybe a space heater)? Because yeah, they certainly don't want that.
Or is it the fact that we have to use 3rd party devices to even access the app in the first place? Because that definitely was intentional.
Oh, so yeah, Nintendo has no solution. You're just supposed to have the audio from the TV blast into your phone. Yeah. And you think that's better than all of the wires and whatnot. Yeah. This is the defense you're making. That people wanting to use gaming headsets are deliberately making Nintendo look bad because they could just not. Ok.
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