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Is Fallout 4 worth $20?
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DAREALGUMMY
Member
Never Change GAF
I've accepted that New Vegas is a much better game in terms of story and gameplay (Which includes A LOT) but 3 will always be my favorite personally. I think that's why 4 was a disappointment to me because I was expecting to exceed 3 and I don't think it did.
SolarMystic
Member
Bethesda owns the IP now. The Fallout of years ago is over. Bethesda games have always since Oblivion been rather shallow on the writing/story (I'd even argue that Morrowind was just an anomaly). Sometimes we get gems in parts of the game, like the Dark Brotherhood storylines in both Oblivion and Skyrim, but for the most part, people don't play Bethesda games for the story. Those that do must have incredibly low expectations.
Your post about Forza isn't even comparable. The Forza games use the same game engine and assets, both studios help each other out with resources from time to time. Post and Pre-Bethesda Fallout games are essentially different franchises outside of the lore.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Cal Ripken jr too... are you Kevin Costner?
IcyRhythms
Member
Elder Scrolls? You had one game that released nearly a full decade before Witcher 3 and the other beyond that. How? They play like two completely different games. I've actually wondered why no one has bothered to copy the successful Bethesda to formula to be honest. I'd love for Obsidian to make a spiritual successor to the Fallout series. They'd need AAA money, first.
And again, what I said doesn't change. The Witcher 3 is the bar that's been set for RPG's moving forward, especially the fantasy stuff like ES.
johnthehero
Banned
Yes, it's worth $20.
It feels like Bethesda took more of a Diablo 3-approach to Fallout 4, and the "RPG" part of the game boils down to the gear you decide to use rather than the choices you make. Don't go into Fallout 4 looking for a role-playing experience, just shoot things and be become overpowered. It's received several patches to improve performance and is getting VR support this year.
If you didn't like Fallout 3 or Fallout: New Vegas, there's a chance you'll love this game because it's almost nothing like them.
It feels like Bethesda took more of a Diablo 3-approach to Fallout 4, and the "RPG" part of the game boils down to the gear you decide to use rather than the choices you make. Don't go into Fallout 4 looking for a role-playing experience, just shoot things and be become overpowered. It's received several patches to improve performance and is getting VR support this year.
If you didn't like Fallout 3 or Fallout: New Vegas, there's a chance you'll love this game because it's almost nothing like them.
The question is what had the biggest impact. And you think there are only two ES games?
IcyRhythms
Member
Two games that were very relevant before Witcher, and I was being nice by including Morrowind. Oblivion and Skyrim really took ES to the next level. The answer of which is still the same. Witcher had a bigger impact in gaming than any of the ES games.
Psychoward
Banned
lol morrowind does deserve to be there, irrelevant my butt. certainly more relevant than w1 and 2 at least
and Skyrim alone had a bigger impact than Witcher 3 or did you forget the metric shitton of games that tried to follow the Skyrim model
Far Cry 3 was literally marketed as "Skyrim with guns"
IcyRhythms
Member
and doesn't really play anything like it
Skyrim did not set any bar for RPG's. It wasn't looked at in the same light with Witcher 3 on a lot of levels. In fact, you can see some of the bs from Skyrim carry over into Fallout 4. They made Fallout 4 even more accessible than Skyrim was to newcomers, and took out a lot of what made the other ES games great RPG's.
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and let's not pretend that Skyrim was considered to be half as good as the Witcher 2 that release the same year.
LOL okay.
Psychoward
Banned
We were talking about overall impact and relevance and now you're switching back. But fine let's talk about "bar setting"
What bars for RPGs did W3 set? Certainly not in the character creation department, dialog choice, build variety, combat, itemization, crafting, non-combat options for quests etc.
It looks pretty and has well-written sidequests.
Edit: In fact in terms of 3D RPGs that set bars recently, my mind always goes to New Vegas funnily enough.
Critical reviews, game of the year awards, and user impressions (including GAF) said otherwise.
kamineko
Does his best thinking in the flying car
I really enjoyed 3 & NV, so naturally I was looking forward to 4. I tried very hard to like it, but I found it really charmless. I thought that improvements to combat outside of VATS did not make up for the anemic character system and amazingly bad (even compared to F3) writing.
I regret the time that I spent with it, and will probably not return to the Fallout franchise unless something changes.
I regret the time that I spent with it, and will probably not return to the Fallout franchise unless something changes.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Apparently ESO sitting here with 9 million+ players doesn't count; also Morrowind (that game that literally brought openworld to relevance doesn't count) even though they're launching a massive Morrowind expansion as we speak.
Don't get me wrong, Witcher 3 is a great gameand all, but I'm not even confidant that The Witcher game series would exist in it's current form if Elder Scrolls didn't do it all before them and basically create the massivesingleplayer openworld rpg genre.
buy teh haloz
Banned
Yes. It's worth it for the combat, exploration and environments alone.
Psychoward
Banned
Hell CDPR explicitly said multiple times they were taking cues from Skyrim for the open world design of Witcher 3.
killatopak
Gold Member
Go for it.
The narrative is definitely inferior to previous Fallouts but the gunplay is so much better and the content is there.
It took me 150+ hours to finish all content plus one ending excluding dlcs.
I imagine doing all ending would add an additional 8-16 hours. If you really want to extend it then playing a new character for different playthrough and ending is there as well. If you want a harder game then survival mode is there.
I haven't bough the dlcs yet so I can't comment on that.
The narrative is definitely inferior to previous Fallouts but the gunplay is so much better and the content is there.
It took me 150+ hours to finish all content plus one ending excluding dlcs.
I imagine doing all ending would add an additional 8-16 hours. If you really want to extend it then playing a new character for different playthrough and ending is there as well. If you want a harder game then survival mode is there.
I haven't bough the dlcs yet so I can't comment on that.
Buddy Mcpuddy
Member
I put fifteen hours in and never went back.
It felt inferior to 3 and that game was decent at best.
It felt inferior to 3 and that game was decent at best.
neurosisxeno
Member
That's how you know the game has impact. When just mentioning it gets people interested enough to consider a purchase--regardless of if the games are anything alike. ESO was nothing like Skyrim when it launched and just the association to the series following Skyrim's success caused it to sell millions of copies despite playing nothing like Skyrim.
Were you in a coma for 2011-2012? Skyrim was everywhere. It recieved rave reviews, was probably the most talked about game in 2012, and really brought Open World RPG's into the mainstream. Without Skyrim The Witcher 3 probably would have been another Linear Action RPG much like its predecessor. It's easy to say Witcher 3 is a more refined game than Skyrim was, Skyrim came out 4 years earlier and redefined Open World RPG games. The implementation of persistent open worlds starting with Oblivion and leading straight through Fallout 4 is still something unmatched.
Oh really? Skyrim vs. Witcher 2. Seems to me like critics at large had no issue praising Skyrim as a great game--just 6 months after The Witcher 2 came out.
But the funniest thing you said was;
IcyRhythms said:
Because it's really, really, really, fucking hard. Bethesda games are considered technical accomplishments because they are massive persistent worlds with unparalleled complexity. The closest people were willing to go was making everything open world. If games like Skyrim and Fallout 4 were easy to make don't you think everyone would be doing it considering how well Skyrim sold?
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Personally I think any decent, or better than decent game is worth 20 bucks
The problem lies in the fact that it's not just $20 but hours and hours of time for a hollow experience with very little payoff. There's so many great games, this one isn't worth it at all. Fallout is a series about decisions, conversation, and a very well realized settings. F4 missed the mark on all of those and instead tacked on base building and improved the mediocre first person controls. If OP is a crazy fan of Bethesda open world games and is okay with a cast of 99% forgettable characters, go for it, but it's mediocre at best.
If you're looking for game time per $, OP, I guess it's not a bad deal, I just can't recommend the game to anyone, and that's after beating it.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
PhantomThief
Banned
Sure it is! Its just a bad fallout game where quests are boring, the character you play as is pre-defined which sucks. Also the dialogue wheel is dumb.
Imp the Dimp
Member
20 bucks ain't much but is it worth your time?
SoulUnison
Banned
I played over the free weekend and right off the bat, going from 3 and New Vegas' verbatim, many-multiple dialog options to 4's "1-3 word description that's often completely off from what you expected/intended" made me feel more like I was playing a dumbed down Mass Effect rather than a Fallout.
Who thought it'd be a good idea to throw all the role playing out of a long running, respected RPG series?
"Here's you. You're a married heterosexual man/woman with a male child who's name is determined. Now...go roleplay...the role we gave you."
Who thought it'd be a good idea to throw all the role playing out of a long running, respected RPG series?
"Here's you. You're a married heterosexual man/woman with a male child who's name is determined. Now...go roleplay...the role we gave you."
Hey, I prefer every Witcher game over Skyrim too. But let's not pretend that Skyrim wasn't received better, both critically and commercially. It's a travesty, but also a fact.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
They really take their time with a GOTY-edition ... -.-°
I hope they announce it on E3.
I hope they announce it on E3.
Yeah that's not only thing they said though, Skyrim influenced them in other ways too. From interview with game director Konrad Tomaszkiewicz.
The lessons we learned from Skyrim is that you need to care about immersion in the game all of the time, he said in an interview with Game Informer. You cant show that youve got some generic solutions or engineering stuff in the game.
And Skyrim, it was generic; you could make the same quest a few times and every time [the] NPC didnt spot that you made it for him previously. To make this immersion every quest needs to be designed this way that NPC reacts for what you are doing.
The second thing, thinking about Skyrim, is that they dont got very good characters. I tried to remember five characters from Skyrim and name them from my memory, and I cant, because this storyline is very generic and exploring the world is cool but they missed it.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
So NOT worth $20
Personally I really enjoyed Fallout 4. 20 dollars is a great deal if you like Bethesda games. Average playtime for Fallout 4 is 177 hours. Typically my play through for Bethesda games is 80 hours. 20 dollars is a crazy value for the time.
I'm not a fan of New Vegas as I would always lose interest when I got to Vegas. I'm also not a fan of Witcher 3's controls and combat. So take this with a grain of salt.
Don't listen to all the disgruntled people that have come in here to trash on fallout 4 and tell you how great their favorite game is. Bethesda has out sold and out performed their competition consistently. It's laughable that one person wanted to compare Skyrim to Witcher 2.
via ******** and metacritic
1.87 m Witcher 2 Metacritic 88
23.17 m Skyrim Metacritic 94
6.56 m Witcher 3 Metacritic 93
10.22 m Fallout 3 Metacritic 93
8.36 m New Vegas Metacritic 84
13.49 m Fallout 4 Metacritic 84
I'm not a fan of New Vegas as I would always lose interest when I got to Vegas. I'm also not a fan of Witcher 3's controls and combat. So take this with a grain of salt.
Don't listen to all the disgruntled people that have come in here to trash on fallout 4 and tell you how great their favorite game is. Bethesda has out sold and out performed their competition consistently. It's laughable that one person wanted to compare Skyrim to Witcher 2.
via ******** and metacritic
1.87 m Witcher 2 Metacritic 88
23.17 m Skyrim Metacritic 94
6.56 m Witcher 3 Metacritic 93
10.22 m Fallout 3 Metacritic 93
8.36 m New Vegas Metacritic 84
13.49 m Fallout 4 Metacritic 84
Kaffeemann
Banned
It seems people who own it actually play it quite a bit :
https://steamspy.com/app/377160
For $20 it's definitely worth it.
https://steamspy.com/app/377160
For $20 it's definitely worth it.
Imp the Dimp
Member
I don't see how any of this is relevant unless you are a shareholder? This does not answer the OP's question at all. Sales are an insanely unreliable indicator for quality.
To me the story and world are a bit worse than F03. The world looks better and is bigger thanks to improved graphics. Combat is a step up but everything else is so bad you pretty much just go to each area and either kill everything or fetch an item.
Personally felt the game needed a few more years in development to flesh out the story and more interesting side quests.
NV>>>>FO3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FO4
For $20 it's not so bad but I felt I was robbed at $40 when it came out.
Personally felt the game needed a few more years in development to flesh out the story and more interesting side quests.
NV>>>>FO3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FO4
For $20 it's not so bad but I felt I was robbed at $40 when it came out.
It's not necessarily the Fallout 4 I wanted, but I still poured like 150 hours or so into it without finishing all the DLC stuff, and I enjoyed my time with it. I'd definitely say it's worth $20, but I really enjoyed exploring the map so I feel like I got my $60 worth (or $100 or whatever with DLC added in) and then some.