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Facism
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(12-01-2017, 01:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendoGal

Oh I get it now. Those of us who are still here clearly don't agree with the folks on the other forum so that makes it worse to be here.

Sorry I'm not a leftist. Sorry that in the LGBTQIAS(#*$)@#()$ thread when I asked if there were libertarian folks or other sources of community besides left I was ignored. Yeah, I certainly miss that!

And it's also nice lumping us all in with a few folks who choose to come out and be assholes, yeah.

haha this is great fun.
Dude Abides
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(12-01-2017, 01:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendoGal

I am an ancap. I don't like the left because it's more about emotion much of the time during a conversation. I don't like the right because they're too far up one another's butthole circle jerking about nationalism and how we ought to respect the flag. There are other reasons, that's just quickly off the top of my head.

Saying that a few months ago would get you dog-piled on for having the wrong opinion. Perhaps not a ban, but if you don't want to discuss anything because you know the result, it's basically the same thing.

Oh arenít you oppresssed because someone ignored your off-topic post. Try being less emotional.
7echnicolor
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(12-01-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by NintendoGal

Oh I get it now. Those of us who are still here clearly don't agree with the folks on the other forum so that makes it worse to be here.

Sorry I'm not a leftist. Sorry that in the LGBTQIAS(#*$)@#()$ thread when I asked if there were libertarian folks or other sources of community besides left I was ignored. Yeah, I certainly miss that!

And it's also nice lumping us all in with a few folks who choose to come out and be assholes, yeah.

lmao 'my dumb libertarian spiel was ignored by the gays! this is an outrage!'
llien
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(12-01-2017, 02:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by AllIsOneIsNone

Edit: there may be less 'teaming up' against one side which is good in theory, but that's also just a side affect of less intelligent discourse....

An example of an intelligent discourse on old gaf.

I think I know where you are coming from. "If most of academia is so strongly pro-left, doesn't it tell you that smarter people choose left?"
The issue is, it isn't "real left" left, it's postmodernist left. And it isn't all academia, but humanities and, you guess it...
Revolutionary
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(12-01-2017, 02:18 PM)
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I think the "issue" with seemingly low activity (views are still high) is that most of us who stayed weren't the type to post 50 posts a day anyway.
Lionel Richie
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(12-01-2017, 02:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Senua

Much prefer the new GAF, way less virtue signalling.

Agreed. As soon as the CAN'T BELIEVE THE MODERATION ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT dudes calm down a bit it will be truly great.
AllIsOneIsNone
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(12-01-2017, 02:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by llien

An example of an intelligent discourse on old gaf.

I think I know where you are coming from. "If most of academia is so strongly pro-left, doesn't it tell you that smarter people choose left?"
The issue is, it isn't "real left" left, it's postmodernist left. And it isn't all academia, but humanities and, you guess it...

Not exactly sure what point you're making here and I do think there was a general ultra-leftist bias on GAF (to an unhealthy degree) but the drop in quality has to do with the drop in quality, not politics.

And I'm not saying there weren't shit tier threads before, of course there were...especially political ones. But some of the shit I've seen lately is just pure dreck without consequence, logic and reason be damned. And people seem to be reveling in the knee-high level of shit.
Phoenix RISING
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(12-01-2017, 02:36 PM)
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Do not mistake civil with less populated.

The animus is still there. Just look at the responses in this thread.

There are just less people so it does not go on for pages and pages. In fact, the recent trend is that threads like these get closed within a week.
Dunki
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(12-01-2017, 02:38 PM)

Originally Posted by AllIsOneIsNone

Not exactly sure what point you're making here and I do think there was a general ultra-leftist bias on GAF (to an unhealthy degree) but the drop in quality has to do with the drop in quality, not politics.

And I'm not saying there weren't shit tier threads before, of course there were...especially political ones. But some of the shit I've seen lately is just pure dreck without consequence, logic and reason be damned. And people seem to be reveling in the knee-high level of shit.

But isn't this much more refreshing that no discussion at all? I think it is a good thing to hear various opinions on various groups even if it may or may not offend other people. As long people are not using insults everything should be fine IMO.

I rather want people to speak their own mind then sugarcoating it or being afraid to say what they really think.
Narroo
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(12-01-2017, 02:41 PM)
Really? I've seen the opposite. There are a lot more trolls out and about now, especially in OT.
DirgeExtinction
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(12-01-2017, 02:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by | Praxis |

Seems like dog piling for having the wrong opinion is still strong, it's just the definition of "wrong opinion" has changed and there's an attempt to re-establish an echo chamber of another variety.

This forum is in a sorry state, much less civil, much much slower, less interesting, nowhere near as funny and terrible OT's.

This is essentially it. People also get defensive about this site, as seen in this very thread. That's why I've begun lurking rather than posting as much as I used to.
RastaMentality
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(12-01-2017, 02:53 PM)
Itís not though, and Iím not even talking about certain political viewpoints. A lot of users get away with blatant personal attacks now.
entremet
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(12-01-2017, 02:59 PM)
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Community of all kinds is very hard to maintain, including massive online ones like former GAF.

However, being involved in many communities, more ones IRL, things break down when people donít feel heard and respected.

No one is perfect, but as long as the aim is civility, community flourishes.

My issue is the constant call backs to older members and attitudes. I mean, move on. They have. And stop celebrating that they are gone. Just do your thing. That doesnít really build or rebuild, in this case, community. Get it out of your system. There are no perfect communities where you wonít find annoying or irritating people. Online communities are not immune to this.

I am a member of both boards, and both scratch an itch for me. But even in the other board you have some members having unrealistic expectations after the migration. Posters still take swipes at former mods there. Like, how long are gonna stew about a message board?

Posters will annoy you, bother you, irritate you in every forum. Just like workplaces, families, and so on. Heck look at the infighting with Democrats in last election cycle. Community doesnít mean utopia. It requires tough and incomfortable conversation sometimes. Which is why I think locking meta threads is a bad idea, same with anonymous modding.
double jump
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(12-01-2017, 03:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by T.v

The trend I have seen does not fill me with a sense of civility. There are less bans, true, but this has caused a lot of discussions to go completely off the rails. An influx of members who now feel like this is some lawless state. There is not enough guidance here right now. We need more mods. That should be priority number one. In influx of members right now will only further enhance the problems that have come up these past weeks.

I feel the same and if this isn't addressed soon then I going to move on.
Narpas Sword0
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(12-01-2017, 03:01 PM)

Originally Posted by Lionel Richie

Agreed. As soon as the CAN'T BELIEVE THE MODERATION ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT dudes calm down a bit it will be truly great.

Originally Posted by Senua

Much prefer the new GAF, way less virtue signalling.

This is virtue signaling. You just personally like the virtue.
Ensoul
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(12-01-2017, 03:03 PM)
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That's because barely anyone posts here anymore. I mean there is a post still on the front page from 11/29. This board is a shell of itself right now.
mattiewheels
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(12-01-2017, 03:06 PM)
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The use of the phrase Ďvirtue signallingí has risen by about 10,000%.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 03:28 PM)
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I'm just going to say that in my experience with a myriad of forums the thing that kills the community isn't an influx of bad posters but established and seemingly better posters going into every thread they deem terrible and crying about how the forum has gone to the dogs and doesn't live up to their standards.

If people just continue to post normally things should level out. But this whole thing with several posters saying GAF sucks now is a massive waste of time, not to mention sad.
llien
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(12-01-2017, 03:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by mattiewheels

The use of the phrase ‘virtue signalling’ has risen by about 10,000%.

No, not really, google found 1600 hits of "virtue signaling site:neogaf.com", most of them pre exodus.


Originally Posted by AllIsOneIsNone

But some of the shit I've seen lately is just pure dreck without consequence, logic and reason be damned. And people seem to be reveling in the knee-high level of shit.

I share your opinion on this.
Zog
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(12-01-2017, 03:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Narpas Sword0

There is a topic about the grammys at the top of the board with a guy talking about how anti-white racism is worse than anti-black.

I would like to see the post in question. If it's my post then what I said was that there are more anti-white threads than anti-black ones.
OniBarubary
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(12-01-2017, 03:44 PM)
You literally proved it false with this thread and your own posts so...I mean, there you go.

The onslaught of idiocy was just icing on the shit cake.
Zog
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(12-01-2017, 03:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Ancient Gray

I'm just going to say that in my experience with a myriad of forums the thing that kills the community isn't an influx of bad posters but established and seemingly better posters going into every thread they deem terrible and crying about how the forum has gone to the dogs and doesn't live up to their standards.

If people just continue to post normally things should level out. But this whole thing with several posters saying GAF sucks now is a massive waste of time, not to mention sad.

Some posters were used to their opponents being banned for having the wrong opinion, that is not happening as much and they feel betrayed.
WaterAstro
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(12-01-2017, 03:48 PM)
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Hard to say when the leavers constantly come back troll here.
R0ckman
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(12-01-2017, 03:52 PM)
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I'm not sure where the foundation of faith is coming from that things will stabilize. Its been what, over a month since everything blew up and the forum is pretty much still in "wild west" mode.
George Washington
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(12-01-2017, 04:07 PM)
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Ok so from the responses, itís a mixed bag. Some say itís better, more civil, others say itís the Wild West.

The point I was trying to get at was whether or not the emotional posters, some of those with the account suicide posts, had left the forum and had it resulted in a more civil forum.

Unfortunately since this is all subjective, I can only gauge it based on peopleís opinions / experiences. The more that people open up, the more we can understand, and hopefully improve on the criticisms of the current state.
OniBarubary
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(12-01-2017, 04:24 PM)

Originally Posted by George Washington

Ok so from the responses, itís a mixed bag. Some say itís better, more civil, others say itís the Wild West.

I mean, it's pretty obvious when you look at names why those people think it's more "civil"; they no longer get blasted for being incompetent and peddling bullshit but actually have people patting them on the back while they jerk each other off. GAF has gone from an echo chamber to a circle jerk.

Originally Posted by George Washington

The point I was trying to get at was whether or not the emotional posters, some of those with the account suicide posts, had left the forum and had it resulted in a more civil forum.

"Emotional posters", lmfao. The most emotional, knee-jerk fuckwits are still here.

Originally Posted by George Washington

Unfortunately since this is all subjective, I can only gauge it based on peopleís opinions / experiences. The more that people open up, the more we can understand, and hopefully improve on the criticisms of the current state.

Nah, the forum is objectively bad.
Blam
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(12-01-2017, 04:31 PM)
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Yeah GAF isn't better. It's getting more apparent that shitposters, and trolls are getting way more leeway then before.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 04:35 PM)
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They're working on adding new mods right? This is just a temporary lapse if that's the case.
Bolivar687
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(12-01-2017, 04:38 PM)
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The tone on gaming side seems a bit better. Less ganging up and entrenched axioms. People have to make arguments to justify their position. Perhaps the quantity and quality leaves much to be desired but that's a separate debate.

OT is a massive improvement. It was just so overwhelmingly nihilistic and mean-spirited before. While they were incredibly hostile to conservatives and independents, they saved their worst vitriol of all for leftists who did not buy into the narrative. I remember they kept bringing up the "Republicans fall in line" mantra, as if they were envious they couldn't bully their compatriots into subservience. People seem much more comfortable speaking their mind now.
CampbellzSoup
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(12-01-2017, 04:40 PM)
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WAY better discourse and differing opinions are joe heard and not silenced. If you donít like what someone says argue against them. Banning any right wing people before was disgusting.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 04:42 PM)
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In my brief time here this doesn't seem that bad of a board and I've seen waaaaaaay worse dogpiling.

#blessed
SDCowboy
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(12-01-2017, 04:42 PM)
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It's far nicer from a political standpoint (as there is much less of it). Much less annoying dogpiling on things.
Blam
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(12-01-2017, 04:44 PM)
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I personally want one thing. For all the people lurking to actually start posting. We have a few hundred people doing this as it stands because all the threads get a nice boost in views maybe 10-20 minutes after their posted to a couple thousand.
Mikey Jr.
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(12-01-2017, 05:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blam

I personally want one thing. For all the people lurking to actually start posting. We have a few hundred people doing this as it stands because all the threads get a nice boost in views maybe 10-20 minutes after their posted to a couple thousand.

I lurk.
I don't bother posting any more to be honest. Not a lot of people to engage with, so I just read the OP, maybe a few posts underneath, then I bail.
Anung
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(12-01-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mikey Jr.

I lurk.
I don't bother posting any more to be honest. Not a lot of people to engage with, so I just read the OP, maybe a few posts underneath, then I bail.

Same. Every couple of weeks I check in to see what's happening...which is usually not much (or racist/sexist) then I boost.

The state of the community will never not be shocking, though.
Blam
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(12-01-2017, 05:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mikey Jr.

I lurk.
I don't bother posting any more to be honest. Not a lot of people to engage with, so I just read the OP, maybe a few posts underneath, then I bail.

Then be a poster that people want to engage with. That type of behavior is making it seem like this place is dead. That's why people see less activity because most people are doing this now.
JordanN
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(12-01-2017, 05:12 PM)
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I can hold a civil discussion with anyone who is civil or leans closer to being neutral.

The only ones who seem to get more abrasive are the ones who strongly affiliate themselves with an ideology or make it a point to say "yeah, well, you're wrong anyway!!".
Reverse Giraffe
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(12-01-2017, 05:15 PM)
People are lurking but this site seems to be bouncing back in the last week or so.

I think if you give it time, it will be better than before -- no more walking on eggshells.
Aim_Ed
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(12-01-2017, 05:33 PM)
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Significant rise in neo-nazis and gay porn, and all the mods are on vacation.

I went from checking GAF daily to checking it biweekly.

EDIT: I spoke too soon lmao
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 05:33 PM)
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Mama mia
Anung
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(12-01-2017, 05:34 PM)
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Says it all really.
cuate
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(12-01-2017, 05:35 PM)
That failed bukkake at the end. He needs to improve his aim.
Lionel Richie
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(12-01-2017, 05:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Narpas Sword0

This is virtue signaling. You just personally like the virtue.

Explain how what I said is virtue signalling. What virtue am I signalling by saying I don't wish to see discussions being censored?
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 05:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by cuate

That failed bukkake at the end. He needs to improve his aim.

Terrible form. 2/10
OniBarubary
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(12-01-2017, 05:49 PM)

Originally Posted by JordanN

I can hold a civil discussion with anyone who is civil or leans closer to being neutral.

Baaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha. You can't hold a fucking conversation with a glass of water without spilling it all over yourself. Of all the people on here who regularly embarrass themselves we should give you a fucking crown for regularly making claims you can't back up and know fucking nothing about then bailing when your feelings get hurt only to come back days later as if nothing happened while passive-aggressively complaining about persecution complexes.

Nothing you have ever said or done has elevated or added to a conversation and you rarely, if ever, have kept things civil without drawing from the well of "you're just attacking me" before anyone else even does anything.

You fucking delusional black hole of vapid knowledge.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 05:50 PM)
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Lol Oni going hard.
RastaMentality
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(12-01-2017, 05:51 PM)

Originally Posted by OniBarubary

Baaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha. You can't hold a fucking conversation with a glass of water without spilling it all over yourself. Of all the people on here who regularly embarrass themselves we should give you a fucking crown for regularly making claims you can't back up and know fucking nothing about then bailing when your feelings get hurt only to come back days later as if nothing happened while passive-aggressively complaining about persecution complexes.

Nothing you have ever said or done has elevated or added to a conversation and you rarely, if ever, have kept things civil without drawing from the well of "you're just attacking me" before anyone else even does anything.

You fucking delusional black hole of vapid knowledge.

ďIím a centrist and libertarian look how far the fence is shoved up my assĒ in every single thread LMAO
RastaMentality
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(12-01-2017, 05:56 PM)
The dick on the right in the last gif kinda ugly, huh
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 05:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by RastaMentality

The dick on the right in the last gif kinda ugly, huh

Oh great and now we have body shaming!!!!
Night Angel
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(12-01-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Go look at the recently locked threads and see if you still believe it.

No. Discourse is definitely not better. People are allowed to say blatantly racist shit ("white man keeping you down, boy?"), directly insult one another, and absolutely detail topics without any kind of retribution. Instead of removing posters, they lock threads and let the circus continue elsewhere.

But this thread will be locked soon anyway like all the others.

Lmao just noticed the multi-gif posts. Yep, thread is done.

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