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David___
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(12-01-2017, 06:06 PM)
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Shit like this goes un-punished

Originally Posted by Rocket Number 22

Itís reasonable because you are trying so hard to not answer.

You must really hate the white man, he keeping you down boy?

But yea, more civilized!

Originally Posted by JordanN

I can hold a civil discussion with anyone who is civil or leans closer to being neutral.

You bail as soon as people ask you to back up your claims. Sit the hell back down
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 06:08 PM)
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I'm learning JordanN is the forum idiot mighty quick.
RastaMentality
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(12-01-2017, 06:08 PM)
NeoGAF is very civil.
Fujimori
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(12-01-2017, 06:09 PM)
Is it just me or is off-topic filled with hardcore porn?
JordanN
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(12-01-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Last couple of posts prove exactly what I mean.

No one should be surprised anymore when I don't reply to those people.
Lionel Richie
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(12-01-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fujimori

Is it just me or is off-topic filled with hardcore porn?

Yes but it's very civil porn mind you.
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 06:35 PM)

Originally Posted by RastaMentality

NeoGAF is very civil.

You and Onibarubary as bad, if not worse than the ones you condemn. You complain about the lack of civility, then write 'fucking' and 'hahahaha' as if that contributed to civility. I don't think you're in any position to call out others.

If only people would stop reacting to any dumb posting with 'this is the new gaf'. If I were around before the incident, I could have complained about dumb postings all day every day. Thx god no more female Link-talk.
David___
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(12-01-2017, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xenobureido


If only people would stop reacting to any dumb posting with 'this is the new gaf'. If I were around before the incident, I could have complained about dumb postings all day every day. Thx god no more female Link-talk.

If you were around before the incident you would've been booted for defending "innocent" pedophiles.
Ubername
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(12-01-2017, 06:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by RefigeKru

Good path to obscurity, I'm not going to pretend it's any better now without a mod presence and any actual pull in terms of news, conversation, insight, comedy, whatever - it's objectively worse now - that's why everyone left.

The only thing that changed is a bunch of bleeding hearts had a hissy fit and left, it's objectively better without such people. I hope we can further cull these people from our ranks and have discussions that don't have posts like "Wait.. Really? You're really saying that? No dude, just no. You just can't."
SegaShack
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(12-01-2017, 06:57 PM)
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I actually like that there isnít as much threads and posting. Iím busy and itís nice to be able to check whats new on here and catch up.
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 07:01 PM)

Originally Posted by David___

If you were around before the incident you would've been booted for defending "innocent" pedophiles.

Yes, which is instant proof for NeoGAF's improvement, as I didn't write anything wrong. :)
Metalingus5150
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(12-01-2017, 07:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Xenobureido

Yes, which is instant proof for NeoGAF's improvement, as I didn't write anything wrong. :)

How about you go fuck yourself? You piece of shit pedophile defender.
Mikey Jr.
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(12-01-2017, 07:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blam

Then be a poster that people want to engage with. That type of behavior is making it seem like this place is dead. That's why people see less activity because most people are doing this now.

I genuinely don't care. Not meant to be mean.

Nothing against GAF or the users here. I don't wish any harm to this forum.

But I bounce between both forums, and at the other place, I am way more engaged. Thats where all the action is.

It's not my job to revitalize this forum. Whatever happens, happens.
David___
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(12-01-2017, 07:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by JordanN

Last couple of posts prove exactly what I mean.

No one should be surprised anymore when I don't reply to those people.

Debate us on why we're wrong then

Originally Posted by JordanN

Debate him on it. Tell him why you think he's wrong.

If everyone in the world had a perfect moral compass, we should all have the same views no?

But people grow up in different environments. And those environments may have taught a person only one set of beliefs and that it's everyone else who is wrong.

Originally Posted by JordanN

Eh, I prefer if people debate away viewpoints they don't like.

I think people need to understand that if you never engage in a conversation with the opposite side, you can't be surprised when it turns out they double down on their beliefs.

You have no problem telling people to debate someone who thinks that Heyer was a "fat bitch that deserves to die" but when its your turn you shut up and bail
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 07:19 PM)

Originally Posted by Metalingus5150

How about you go fuck yourself? You piece of shit pedophile defender.

I hope a mod sees your posting. Quite 'civil'.

And just for the record: I defend innocent people. Pedophiles that haven't committed any crime are innocent,too. You hateful, ignorant reaction doesn't change that.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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(12-01-2017, 07:26 PM)
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It's aight I guess!
OniBarubary
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(12-01-2017, 07:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Xenobureido

You and Onibarubary as bad, if not worse than the ones you condemn. You complain about the lack of civility, then write 'fucking' and 'hahahaha' as if that contributed to civility. I don't think you're in any position to call out others.

If only people would stop reacting to any dumb posting with 'this is the new gaf'. If I were around before the incident, I could have complained about dumb postings all day every day. Thx god no more female Link-talk.

Your first fucking mistake was fucking assuming I fucking cared about the fucking civility of this fucking forum. Hahahahahaha.

Your second mistake was thinking that being polite and "civil" while being, at best, a racist/ignorant/unknowledgeable/sad chimpanzee that learned how to type, doesn't mean you've said anything interesting, intelligent, worthwhile, factual or even resembling something someone with a functioning brain would say. Be as civil as you want, your impact on society and worth as a human being is still definitively in the negatives.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 07:33 PM)

Originally Posted by OniBarubary

Your first fucking mistake was fucking assuming I fucking cared about the fucking civility of this fucking forum. Hahahahahaha.

Your second mistake was thinking that being polite and "civil" while being, at best, a racist/ignorant/unknowledgeable/sad chimpanzee that learned how to type, doesn't mean you've said anything interesting, intelligent, worthwhile, factual or even resembling something someone with a functioning brain would say. Be as civil as you want, your impact on society and worth as a human being is still definitively in the negatives.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Wow :/
Metalingus5150
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(12-01-2017, 07:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Xenobureido

Wow :/

You don't have a high horse you stupid fuck.
Rocket Number 22
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(12-01-2017, 07:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by David___

Shit like this goes un-punished

But yea, more civilized!

I was called out, questioned and explained my mistake and was given the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone knows everything about American culture....I have seen someone use the N word here yet not one bats an eyelid.
OniBarubary
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(12-01-2017, 07:39 PM)

Originally Posted by Xenobureido

Wow :/

I know, right? It's astonishing you think your posts are well thought out or cogent. I
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 07:43 PM)
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Does GAF have two sides or just a series of micro aggressions?

On the next 60 minutes.
JordanN
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(12-01-2017, 08:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by David___

Debate us on why we're wrong then

I already have.

It's not my responsibility to change your mind. Only you can do that.
Blam
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(12-01-2017, 08:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mikey Jr.

I genuinely don't care. Not meant to be mean.

Nothing against GAF or the users here. I don't wish any harm to this forum.

But I bounce between both forums, and at the other place, I am way more engaged. Thats where all the action is.

It's not my job to revitalize this forum. Whatever happens, happens.

Well not asking you to revitalize the forum I'm asking you to interact with the members of the site more often.
karby
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(12-01-2017, 08:09 PM)
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GAF seems more civil

This very thread(among plenty of others) is more than enough evidence to say that it isn't.
I bounce between here and the other place. I'm not a prolific poster there, and I've never been one here either. I usually just prefer to lurk and observe, unless I really feel like I have something to say.

From a long term lurker's perspective:
GAF seems to be in the beginning stages of going from far left to far right. Not saying that that's where it's gonna end up, just saying that it looks like it's in the beginning process of it.
Racist/sexist posts are going unchecked, either completely or by being allowed to stay around far longer than they should.
There is a decidedly purposeful tonal shift, and it's extremely noticeable to the point where it's difficult, if not impossible to ignore.
Moderator presence(what little there is anyway) seems to be stretched too thin, and takes too long to react. Not only that, but because mods are anonymous, finding and reaching out to them takes more effort that it should. This is in addition to the fact that reporting posts, has been made to be a hassle.

All of these observations, combined with...juniors and new accounts being rushed to approval...with not enough admin presence to weed out fast enough the ones who have extremist views...GAF is still one sided. But now it's moving to the opposite side.
It wouldn't surprise me, if in a year or two, 'ironic' racism and sexism would be completely acceptable by the active members here under the guise of 'It's just a joke.' But this is only under the assumption that things continue on as they are and that GAF leadership doesn't pull itself together within that time frame.

So...having said all that, I take my leave.
JordanN
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(12-01-2017, 08:19 PM)
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I think people are too quick or don't understand what going from far-left to far-right actually means.

Far-right is ethnic nationalism. With elements of traditional/conservative beliefs but only so that it appeals to white nationalists.

A black conservative would still be rejected by the alt-right, because it panders only to the most extreme. Just like how centrists/libertarians get rejected by the far-left, even if many agree with climate change research but fall short of not wanting the government to rule their lives.

GAF after the implosion, will always be closer to the center, if not center-left. And no, one person making an offensive comment doesn't automatically turn you into a "nazi, literally hitler!".
I remember when Dave Chapelle was blasted on here for doing the same, and he is in no way right leaning if you actually watch his shows.
karby
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(12-01-2017, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by JordanN

I think people are too quick or don't understand what going from far-left to far-right actually means.

Far-right is ethnic nationalism. With elements of traditional/conservative beliefs but only so that it appeals to white nationalists.

A black conservative would still be rejected by the alt-right, because it panders only to the most extreme. Just like how centrists/libertarians get rejected by the far-left.

Please read:

GAF seems to be in the beginning stages of going from far left to far right. Not saying that that's where it's gonna end up, just saying that it looks like it's in the beginning process of it.

Words mean things. Observations are not necessarily facts.
Soldiussnaku
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(12-01-2017, 08:24 PM)
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?

Well that's quite frankly bullshit. I mean this very thread disproves your notion.


And no, it's not fucking subjective. The near open console warrism that occurs every time a xb vs ps4 faceoff or comparison is posted is shameful and a not a insignificant part of the membership have become emboldened to act like the worst parts of the worst websites on the net. They have embedded themselves due to the power vacuum that triggered after the event.

At best this forum will get sold off sooner rather then later, or at worst the owner will cut his losses quickly, and believe me there are going to be losses thanks to the utter nose dive in forum activity, and this place will be sold/partened up for a tidy sum.

The brand has become exceedingly toxic. This thread alone proves that.

Its been a month of this shit, and not much has changed. It's too late,the damn has broke, the rats have already come through the massive hole and are now eating on whatever remains.
Alebrije
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(12-01-2017, 08:30 PM)
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Yep Mods are slower. Just wonder how many of them are. Respect to the ones that try to keep this place civilized although saddly a lot of new poster and radical stuff are emerging
pj
(12-01-2017, 08:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by karby

Please read:

Words mean things. Observations are not necessarily facts.

It's been so long since you've seen it on gaf, but what he's doing there is disagreeing with your opinion.

I think a lot of people who stuck around have fantasies of gaf going back to the glory days of tolerated personal insults (which I happen to be a fan of), FHUTA, and drinky crow. Even if the forum becomes mostly apolitical and rebuilds an audience, it's never going to be 2007 again.

As someone who 98%+ sides with hillary/bernie on political quizzes, I hope this place doesn't get infested with trump trolls. If it does, at least I won't get banned for calling them retards.
Harlock
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(12-01-2017, 08:33 PM)
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Full civil is boring. But I am glad that is not like North Korea anymore.
G-Bus
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(12-01-2017, 08:47 PM)
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Jumped over to resetera and I don't like it. Feels kind of hostile and agresive if that makes any sense.

I've got into more debates there in a week than I have in my 10 or so years on GAF.


Hope this place picks up a bit more.
Subpar Spatula
It's not like you to say sorry, I was waiting on a different story. This time I'm mistaken for handing u a heart worth breaking. I've been wrong, I've been down into the bottom of every bottle. These 5 words in my head scream "Are we having fun yet"
(12-01-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Naw, GAF has just become more right as a result. It was always the result. Almost all the civil posters left so you're left with those people who got pleasure in seeing GAF explode.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 08:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Subpar Spatula

Naw, GAF has just become more right as a result. It was always the result. Almost all the civil posters left so you're left with those people who got pleasure in seeing GAF explode.

I don't think that's entirely fair I see plenty of people on here that are level headed. So a few insults get tossed around. Seems like these people were toxic before the whole exodus.

Everything is fine people it's gonna be ok!
RootCause
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(12-01-2017, 08:59 PM)
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Certainly doesn't feel that way.

Originally Posted by Alebrije

Yep Mods are slower. Just wonder how many of them are. Respect to the ones that try to keep this place civilized although saddly a lot of new poster and radical stuff are emerging

Sad times indeed. I've found myself lurking other boards because the of shift in attitude.
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 09:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Subpar Spatula

Naw, GAF has just become more right as a result. It was always the result. Almost all the civil posters left so you're left with those people who got pleasure in seeing GAF explode.

I've seen some 'discussions' on the other forum. These people aren't civil - everyone is walking on egg shells, permanently scared to possibly offend someone else. It's terrible.

And I find it unfair to claim that NeoGAF has been gone from 'alt-left to alt-right'. It has left its echo chamber of crazy and is now inhabited by people of differing opinions. Random example: being against abortion doesn't make one 'alt-right'.

Again, there havr been (are) some nazis/trolls that certainly crossed a certain line. However,to act as if those are now the defining users of NeoGAF is, quite frankly, a lie. And I won't get tired to remind you that 'old gaf' was defined by people like Lime and CrossingEden. It could only get better from there.
Regulus Tera
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(12-01-2017, 09:15 PM)
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I went into a thread today and was bombarded with porn gifs so I donít see this civility youíre talking about
Nephtis
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(12-01-2017, 09:18 PM)
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Itís a more relaxed environment because there is no constant fear of being banned. Having said that, it has not become more civil at all. Thereís a lot of people crossing the line for sure, and there are still some coming in just to shitpost so they can be banned due to Eviloreís accusation.

We need the new mod team for sure. I want the same moderation standards without the intensity and the trigger happy bans. Making them public like the other forum would go a long way I think.
RootCause
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(12-01-2017, 09:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

I went into a thread today and was bombarded with porn gifs so I donít see this civility youíre talking about

We even have pedo defenders now. It's really creepy.
cuate
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(12-01-2017, 09:21 PM)
Meh. It's fine. I'm not yearning for more moderation.
Ancient Gray
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(12-01-2017, 09:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by RootCause

We even have pedo defenders now. It's really creepy.

I actually don't know the entire situation but didn't he not have sex with this girl?

How could he be accused of pedophilia if he didn't act on it when she was underage?

Maybe I don't know all the details.
Holy Order Sol
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(12-01-2017, 09:34 PM)

Originally Posted by LookAtMeGo

The fuck are you smoking?

dat GOUD SHIT
themagicalkitsune
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(12-01-2017, 09:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by George Washington

GAF seems more civil



Originally Posted by Matter

Go suck your mother's dick, geek

Must be nice living in that puffy cloud of yours
Foob
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(12-01-2017, 09:43 PM)
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you guys should just switch to reddit - this website sucks and has sucked for years
sublimit
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(12-01-2017, 09:51 PM)
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There will always be good and bad apples regardless of how big or small a forum is.I'm mostly interested in Gaming side and the people there seem polite and civil but to be honest i never had any problems before the exodus either. I always try to ignore the trolls and focus on the good and positive sides of the people and those people are still here both new and old.

Also when i joined GAF i didn't joined it because it was popular but because the people on Gaming side where very knowledgable about gaming and the conversations were usually very interesting.It was one of the few places i could talk about niche games that i loved and i can still do that. There are still lots of knowledgable people in the forum regardless if they are juniors or full members so the seeds are here for GAF to become once again a gaming knowledge hub where we can interact with each other.

We just need new teams of moderators who will keep the place civil but also strict because sadly i'm sure there will still be people here who want to see GAF go down (as it is evident in this thread).
TylerD
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(12-01-2017, 10:42 PM)

Originally Posted by G-Bus

Jumped over to resetera and I don't like it. Feels kind of hostile and agresive if that makes any sense.

I've got into more debates there in a week than I have in my 10 or so years on GAF.


Hope this place picks up a bit more.

Like this place doesn't? I moved and come back over here to see that this place seems WAY more hostile. Granted, I spent 95% of time in OT which is now dead here.
A Link to the Past
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(12-01-2017, 10:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Reverse Giraffe

People are lurking but this site seems to be bouncing back in the last week or so.

I think if you give it time, it will be better than before -- no more walking on eggshells.

Hm? Not that this is an end-all be-all metric, but I have seen it where OT has had a 48-hour gap between the last post from the top thread and the last post from the bottom thread on the first page. Not exactly growing in my eyes.
Krappadizzle
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(12-01-2017, 10:51 PM)
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Feels more civil because the ultra hard left people mostly left so as to not dogpile and berate anyone with central/conservative views.
Xenobureido
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(12-01-2017, 10:51 PM)
I kinda feel left out, having missed the pprn gifs ;o

Originally Posted by RootCause

We even have pedo defenders now. It's really creepy.

We don't have anyone who defends crime committing pedophiles. Just to be clear.
Piggus
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(12-01-2017, 10:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ancient Gray

I actually don't know the entire situation but didn't he not have sex with this girl?

How could he be accused of pedophilia if he didn't act on it when she was underage?

Maybe I don't know all the details.

Jesus fucking Christ.

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