Mr. Enigma
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mYm|17| said:
Jon Heyman said the Angels' offer to Crawford was 6 years, $124 million.
They have to sign Beltre now.
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MLB 2010-2011 Offseason Thread of Yawn the NL Wins Again, What Else is New?
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Jon Heyman said the Angels' offer to Crawford was 6 years, $124 million.
They have to sign Beltre now.
yankeehater
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I dont really want 6 or 7 years of Lee, I just dont want the Yankees to get 3 or 4 good years out of him. I really hope someone steps up and blocks them. Go Nats!
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
No one has traded for Zito or Rowand yet?
Damnit!
Damnit!
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
I hope zito beats up his woman's father in the stadium. Lets try to get out of the contract!Windu said:
yankeehater
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Corran Horn said:
The sports talk radio in Philly the other day ways trying to get fans fired up about Rowand coming back, but every single caller said they wouldnt want him back. It was pretty funny.
Ninja Scooter
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HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKER!
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...y-on-a-groin-injury-he-didnt-even-know-about/
Only Manny can make this headline seem normal.
Offensively? They are still going to score a ton of runs. I don't see any other team in that division doing anything better. They will need to stabilize the pitching to do anything relevant in the postseason, so Lee might be worth it for them. I still think either way they will make a trade deadline type deal. They knew what they wanted and was serious about obtaining Lee before anyone.Y2Kev said:
With A-Rod it really didn't do anything for the franchise like last season brought to the area. There was never any real hope of the postseason or greater.
You weren't talking about anything. You made a vague statement about A-Rod which could have meant a numerous amount of things followed by an even vaguer post asking me to shut up.Y2Kev said:
If you are talking about their assets being tied up, just look at their division. No offense to the M's, A's, and LAAoAAAA fans, but none of them are anywhere close. I don't think it's going to take alot. I have no idea what they are thinking currently, no.
Yeah, comparing Lee to Arod ten years ago makes much more sense to talk about them as you have done.
Arod was actually more valuable from 2001 to 2003 than any player I could find. I did not mean they would "get stuck with one of the most valuable players in baseball over the next 3 seasons."
Arod was actually more valuable from 2001 to 2003 than any player I could find. I did not mean they would "get stuck with one of the most valuable players in baseball over the next 3 seasons."
As a Ranger die-hard, I'm not quite sure if I want Lee for 7 years or not. It seems silly because it's not my money and even if we overpay we're going to be fine for the immediate future. We went to the damn World Series last year. Ownership should be doing everything in their power to make this work.
But 7 years... Damn, I'll be 35 when that ends. FUCK.
But 7 years... Damn, I'll be 35 when that ends. FUCK.
Sanjuro, you are disingenuous here. The other posters responded to me telling you to shut up. Because you make less sense than the little Christmas bear figurine I have that sings "hump hump humpity dump dump dumpity Merry Christmas" and poops candy. They were not responding to my "Texas is going to arod themselves."Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Let's look at the context and then follow this discussion.
1. Following a series of posts discussing contract length and dollar value, I say Texas will arod themselves if they do win.
2. You say they are two materially different situations.
3. I ask how the situations are materially different and clarify exactly what I meant.
4. You continue on a rambling path about the actual quality of the team, which is not at all what I was talking about. And you know this, because I was talking now about revenue streams.
5. I clarify again and say they are not materially different; however, even if we were on your terms, I do not understand the Arod vs. Lee argument. You are talking about Lee being a gamble, whatever, it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
6. You repeat that the situations are different.
Do you follow what I am saying? Is this more helpful?
WTF is going on?
2001-2003, the Rangers best players were ARod, Rafael Palmeiro and Kenny fucking Rogers. The WAR leaderboards for those teams are a joke. The rest of the team was pitiful, and even with two Alex Rodrigi the team wouldn't make the WS. This is not debatable.
Texas is a much better team now, and right now would be the time where the $/WAR they want to spend should be the highest. Marginal wins for them are hugely important.
2001-2003, the Rangers best players were ARod, Rafael Palmeiro and Kenny fucking Rogers. The WAR leaderboards for those teams are a joke. The rest of the team was pitiful, and even with two Alex Rodrigi the team wouldn't make the WS. This is not debatable.
Texas is a much better team now, and right now would be the time where the $/WAR they want to spend should be the highest. Marginal wins for them are hugely important.
Yes, they are a much better team. I do not disagree. This is not to say they will not need to spend on pieces (particularly as many players move into arbitration).Doytch said:
I'm still not talking about $/war. I agree. They should be maximizing that spend.
well their payroll is around 65 million or so, so add lee and its around 85-90. Dallas is a huge market, and they just went to the WS, have a new TV contract and a new owner. I don't think they will have any trouble with their budget and arbitration players in the future. 130-140 mil payroll seems doable.
I don't actually think we're that far off. I think Beltre's market has kind of had the bottom fall out, but I think it makes more sense for them to make a move like that than end up with a 7/160 contract. That's where I made my comparison.Doytch said:
I'm SORRY TO SANJURO that it wasn't immediately clear.
really?Windu said:
Ninja Scooter
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Windu said:
I remember reading somewhere that all that talk of a new TV contract and new ownership meaning more money to spend was BS and they are going to spend the next few years using that money to pay back debts or some shit.
No, I make plenty of sense to what I was speaking about. Your original post had no link to "monopoly money" discussion and nothing was crystal clear until your last posting. I wasn't looking to debate or even go on this long about anything relevant to that because...well it simply isn't.
The others switched the topic to Ray's discussion. I'm not really looking to argue or throw insults around.
The others switched the topic to Ray's discussion. I'm not really looking to argue or throw insults around.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings101110
the tv deal doesn't even kick in until 2015.
I know! *elaine push*
the tv deal doesn't even kick in until 2015.
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I know! *elaine push*
Rafa=FedKilla
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This is true, they are tied up right now.Ninja Scooter said:
Eh, another part of the puzzle with the Rangers is Texas. The place just simply isn't a baseball market no matter how much anyone here wants to fool themselves. They have a beautiful park and some hype right now, but who knows how long that will last. I mean they don't even like the Cowboys at this point.Windu said:
When I went down there for the first time they had A-Rod. That was part of my point when I was talking about him being there, they just didn't give a shit on all ends.
evil solrac v3.0
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so bottom line is, all this time the Rangers were just talking and weren't actually going to able to step up with the money to land Lee?
Ninja Scooter
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evil solrac v3.0 said:
I think it was always assumed the Rangers wouldn't be able to out spend the Yankees offer, Lee was going to have to take a bit of a discount (that might be made up in part thanks to state tax) if he wanted to stay in Texas.
Yeah. There just is no proper way for me to explain, you kind of need to at least visit the area a bit. rareside might be able to better.Windu said:
I still think there is a chance that even if they keep winning it they still might not make enough revenue to keep things even more interesting. It's just strange.
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