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Messofanego · Jan 24, 2014

Harlock said:
They testing level design. Not graphics.

But on our side we're only looking at still shots, not any video.

Please be excited.

Remember people weren't too hot on Broken Sword 5's 3D look but were sold when actually playing. They did take feedback on the look, so hope Comcept will do the same.

koutoru · Jan 24, 2014

Calm down people this game is in alpha and still has a whole year of development left.

KojiKnight · Jan 24, 2014

abe_bly said:
There's a different still from the same scene on his monitor. Were there two target renders like that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXDiQrgI6M

Looks like from the engine test video. Hard to tell.

Five · Jan 24, 2014

Azure J said:
You'd think people would get what Alpha means but eh.

It doesn't help that different studios use the term differently. Yacht Club (of Shovel Knight fame) just sent out a backer email saying they've hit alpha, and describe it as this:

what exactly is an Alpha, you ask?

That answer changes a lot depending on the studio, but for us it means we have first pass completion of all content in the game. All features are implemented. All levels are playable. All bosses are fightable. All items are gettable! Everything is there.

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KojiKnight said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXDiQrgI6M

Looks like from the engine test video. Hard to tell.

It doesn't to me, but you may be right.

Anteater · Jan 24, 2014

looks really cool, could use a more simpler health bar tho!

BY2K · Jan 24, 2014

abe_bly said:
It doesn't help that different studios use the term differently. Yacht Club (of Shovel Knight fame) just sent out a backer email saying they've hit alpha, and describe it as this:

That sounds more like a Beta to me.

Five · Jan 24, 2014

BY2K said:
That sounds more like a Beta to me.

I agree. I was just trying to point out that other devs are muddying the term.

Pie and Beans · Jan 24, 2014

chaobreaker said:
Cel-shading is not something you worry about in an alpha build and 2d sprites cost more than they can afford.

If I was seeing alpha cel-shading, comments about "SHURRUP ITS ALPHA" would be bang on. I'm looking at models made for traditionally lit environments though and theres no magic 'now its cel-shaded!' switch in-game that wouldn't be gigantically resource intensive.

As for the "cost" of 2D sprites:

Mighty No. 9: $3,845,170
Shantae: Half-Genie Hero: $776,084

This is why Kickstarters without a representative prototype just feel like bullhonkey. You go from this:

to the above. Of course people are gonna feel let down when all those 2D art visuals were what were heavily hitting the Mega Man nostalgia gland.

I also remember this song and dance from the Unreal Engine prototype they showed a while back, with the same sort of "wait and see" merry go round.

Ratrat · Jan 24, 2014

Messofanego said:
But on our side we're only looking at still shots, not any video.

Please be excited.

Remember people weren't too hot on Broken Sword 5's 3D look but were sold when actually playing. They did take feedback on the look, so hope Comcept will do the same.

People were also losing their mind when Phoenix Wright and Layton went 3d. So much hyperbole itt

Servbot24 · Jan 24, 2014

Surprised at the negative reactions. Looks nice to me.

Frumix · Jan 24, 2014

These look like PSP Rockman remakes (plus the visual fidelity of course). Not sure what people were expecting.

Griss · Jan 24, 2014

Pie and Beans said:
If I was seeing alpha cel-shading, comments about "SHURRUP ITS ALPHA" would be bang on. I'm looking at models made for traditionally lit environments though and theres no magic 'now its cel-shaded!' switch in-game that wouldn't be gigantically resource intensive.

As for the "cost" of 2D sprites:

Mighty No. 9: $3,845,170
Shantae: Half-Genie Hero: $776,084

This is why Kickstarters without a representative prototype just feel like bullhonkey. You go from this:

to the above. Of course people are gonna feel let down when all those 2D art visuals were what were heavily hitting the Mega Man nostalgia gland.

I agree with this, pretty much. Sold on one aesthetic, and might possibly deliver another one entirely.

That said, my recollection is that cell-shading shaders are incredibly easy to code and add to a game. As basic a shader as they come.

IdreamofHIME · Jan 24, 2014

BY2K said:
It's Alpha! Half the content isn't there, the other half is placeholders. Geez.

I was expecting "flatter". Like that new Guilty Gear.

ThoughtsOfSpeaking · Jan 24, 2014

I have a feeling this game isvgoing to be a disappointment. I personally have no faith in anything with Inafune's name attatched.

His best days are long behind him.

That Wont Fit In There · Jan 24, 2014

Not a big fan of its look but it's only alpha. Look at his other screen. Keeping tabs on his workers lol.

rockman zx · Jan 24, 2014

ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
I have a feeling this game isvgoing to be a disappointment. I personally have no faith in anything with Inafune's name attatched.

His best days are long behind him.

Too bad yo don't give any credit to Inti Creates.

Storm360 · Jan 24, 2014

This appears to be a really early build guys, so I wouldn't judge it, the textures for the envioment (the purple and white textures) are even the default placeholder textures in UE when you haven't added your own yet

Blueblur1 · Jan 24, 2014

While it is only in Alpha, I think it's far that we all voice out concerns. I too don't like the rendering of MN 09 and would prefer something cel-shaded (or similar) that would achieve the look of that initial target render.

Scanna · Jan 24, 2014

Frankly it looks ghastly for now

OccamsBlender · Jan 24, 2014

The Bookerman said:
alpha means content complete?...

Shit, that didn't take too long.

LOL don't use American milestones in Japanese development!

And um...The Banner Saga looks EXACTLY like what it promises. I don't fund Kickstarters that don't have a playable demo or at least a few screenshots that show the team has put effort into establishing art direction and if I back I'll get what I see only more polished.

Pie and Beans · Jan 24, 2014

Heres the first time we had a look at the games engine back in September 2013:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688117

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXDiQrgI6M

and the same concerns were voiced. I'd start tempering expectations greatly tbh.

striferser · Jan 24, 2014

Look fine to me.
If this is alpha, i can hope for something better in beta build

Pyrrhus · Jan 24, 2014

I'm glad to see their progress but there is indeed a great distance to go still.

Bjoern the Smexy · Jan 24, 2014

That 3rd screenshort looks exactly how I want th egame to look.
A perfect mix between cel-shaded and "normal" graphics.

injurai · Jan 24, 2014

I hope he doesn't typically work with a desk that clean.

Chairmanchuck · Jan 24, 2014

Looks like A.R.E.S. from a visual standpoint.

And it looks really bland...

Diablohead · Jan 24, 2014

Not going to say anything for now but it so far looks like an average unreal engine 3 game with it's standard dark shadows going on, even if it's not that's how it looks.

Keyser Soze · Jan 24, 2014

Titanfall alpha looked much better....

Shengar · Jan 24, 2014

I don't know that Inafune is the type of boss that monitor his subordinate with camera in their office.

Jigorath · Jan 24, 2014

I would have loved a straight up 2D game with hand drawn art like Rayman Origins. Though this is still in Alpha so of course it's way too early to judge.

sixteen-bit · Jan 24, 2014

Looks uh, "scalable"

mclem · Jan 24, 2014

Wait, does he have a *live feed* of the dev cubicles, there?

makatk · Jan 24, 2014

tbh unreal engine is overused , and am kinda getting sick of it

n00bsauce87 · Jan 24, 2014

mclem said:
Wait, does he have a *live feed* of the dev cubicles, there?

With PS3 (and on) icons to boot. What's going on with that picture?

kick51 · Jan 24, 2014

you guys seem pretty unhappy for a new mega man game

silver.tongue · Jan 24, 2014

Reminds me of Explodemon by Curve Studios. Good game. Really ugly though.

mclem · Jan 24, 2014

Pie and Beans said:
If I was seeing alpha cel-shading, comments about "SHURRUP ITS ALPHA" would be bang on. I'm looking at models made for traditionally lit environments though and theres no magic 'now its cel-shaded!' switch in-game that wouldn't be gigantically resource intensive.

No, you're not. You're looking at models made to get something onscreen so they can start working on mechanics.

It's not impossible that it's what they'll go with for the final version, of course, but it strikes me as a lot more likely that they just want *something* that can bounce around and interact with the world.

Santiako · Jan 24, 2014

Looks horrible, but it is too early to judge.

Apoc29 · Jan 24, 2014

n00bsauce87 said:
With PS3 (and on) icons to boot. What's going on with that picture?

Maybe it's just his wallpaper, lol.

Pie and Beans · Jan 24, 2014

mclem said:
No, you're not. You're looking at models made to get something onscreen so they can start working on mechanics.

It's not impossible that it's what they'll go with for the final version, of course, but it strikes me as a lot more likely that they just want *something* that can bounce around and interact with the world.

As I said above, they already had that back in September. 2015 release date of course, but I rarely see huge stylistic turnarounds on games that would take this back to looking like the concept art but moving. Compromise is where we're already at.

GoodMorningPluto · Jan 24, 2014

I hope they tweak graphics up. Right now looks very dull.

spadge · Jan 24, 2014

the style reminds me of Bionic Commando Rearmed, which is fine for me.

honeymustardn · Jan 24, 2014

Yep, that's an alpha.

Busaiku · Jan 24, 2014

I dunno why I didn't pay much attention to the health bar in the concept art, but I'm definitely not feeling it now.

Pinko Marx · Jan 24, 2014

This thread is why developers don't and shouldn't show off early footage of their games.

thomasmahler · Jan 24, 2014

Pie and Beans said:
Heres the first time we had a look at the games engine back in September 2013:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=688117

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXDiQrgI6M

and the same concerns were voiced. I'd start tempering expectations greatly tbh.

What I don't get is: Why release screenshots like the ones in the OP if they've already had this kinda stuff in September? It feels like a step back and it's not gonna get people excited.

LiquidMetal14 · Jan 24, 2014

Looks rough but shaping up!

Nimajneb · Jan 24, 2014

WTF is with these complaints about the graphics? These shots are literally composed of nothing but placeholder checker board textures on a black background. They are only intended to show that they're actually working on something, and tell us nothing about what the final product might look like.

Vulcano's assistant · Jan 24, 2014

Hey guys remember that we got obsidian to drop a boob armor design from eternity?

Just go to the forums and make your case if you want something changed.. This is what kickstarter is for, not for preorders.

Black Door · Jan 24, 2014

Vulcano's assistant said:
Just go to the forums and make your case if you want something changed...

10/10 good joke brah

The forums are a complete hugbox at this point, like Bioware Social

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