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Bill Browder's prepared statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee - must read
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CopperPuppy
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I think it goes like this in the broadest of strokes (someone please correct me if I'm wrong): Fusion GPS is anti-Magnitsky first and foremost. They funded opposition against Romney because Romney took a hard line against Russia throughout his 2012 presidential campaign, and thus it followed that he would support the Act, which was introduced to Congress the summer before the election. They funded the Steele Dossier because, presumably, it is useful blackmail against Trump should he get into the position to take action against the Act and balk at doing so.
UberTag
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Just puts an exclamation point on the fact that even ridding ourselves of Trump won't end this. Not by a long shot.
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LegendofLex
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I'm actually kind of curious about this. He voted against another sanctions bill (against Iran and Russia) recently. I wonder why he's so adverse to sanctions?
edit: here's a statement he made on the recent vote
KernelPanic
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It's not just Putin but other oligarchs tied to him. They all get rich as long as he gets a cut. Panama Papers exposed some of this.
I believe there's some who try and sneak through so there's interest from RIS and Putin to keep an eye out for anyone trying to go out on their own.
The money is stolen out of Russia and then laundered in the west, typically with real estate purchases.
Now who could a bunch of real estate properties with shady Russian organized crime connections??
Oh and look up Russia defrauding Medicaid. They have other scams on the go as well.
https://www.google.ca/amp/abcnews.g...5-million-indictment-claims/story?id=21110274
Basically laugh at anyone who thinks relations with Russia are a good thing or even necessary.
Makes me wonder how you overthrow someone with $200bn in the bank, but I guess his money is only as good as his access to it.
Morrigan Stark
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"fake news"
"witch hunt"
You're starting off the premise that Trump supporters care about facts. They are immune to them. Otherwise they wouldn't have supported him in the first place lol.
The ones I know will more likely not read it and stay in denial. Maybe pick up some talking points about Magnitsky being the con and this being liberal smoke an mirrors. Still going to share it.
link?
Just got a chance to read it....holy shit. Will watch the testimony when I get home.
There is zero chance that his supporters will actually read this...it's far too long.
There is zero chance that his supporters will actually read this...it's far too long.
Will need a better title.
Putin's corruption condensed. Orphans, murders, and Trump Jr.
Those should be enough potent GAF words to get it really rolling.
fredrancour
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Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Graphics Horse
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Thanks for this,
edit; never mind I think it just goes on repeat half way through
Did he appear yesterday at another hearing? At the end they mention him staying over night for this one, which is what started me getting confused.
CopperPuppy
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Yeah, this is huge and connects a lot of dots conceptually for me. It needs to get play.
ProtomanNeo
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Listening to the hearing now, and the nothingburger is looking meatier, and meatier.....
He actually testified under oath, unlike any of the people who attended the Trump Jr meeing.
DasPenguin
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I always love reading these feel good stories about Russia. It's not like we share a border with them or anything... Oh wait. (I'm Finnish so Russia is our friendly neighbor)
Although America is as corrupt as it gets, they aren't even close to Putin yet.
Although America is as corrupt as it gets, they aren't even close to Putin yet.
Jmanunknown
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All this makes sense now why Trump is so worried about the investigation looking into his money and assets. Also why he will not release his taxes this article http://www.reuters.com/investigates...vestigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
from reuters spells it out right from the opening sentence it says
Graphics Horse
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They're technically pretty close, until Trump gives them back Alaska.
LegendofJoe
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And that's just in Florida, how much money have they laundered via him in New York?
sir_kevith
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Trump is such a freaking idiot lol
Saint Gregory
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I got home and my family is watching the evening news on MSNBC and I thought for sure that this would be the top news story at 4pm. Nope.... 100% Mooch coverage.
Mission Accomplished I suppose. I may stop laughing at those folks that say Trump and co.'s antics are a distraction now.
Mission Accomplished I suppose. I may stop laughing at those folks that say Trump and co.'s antics are a distraction now.
I think Rachel Maddow will probably talk about it and she draws a huge crowd, so many people would hear about it
I would be shocked if Rachel wasn't all over it later.
Wrestlemania
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The Trump bit doesnt add up - they were preparing a dossier for non-Russians which would only help to either stop him getting into power or help remove him once hes in. That doesnt help them remove the sanctions. Itd make sense if they were collating the oppo to give to Russia.
For sure this is worthy of being Huge (with a capital U,G and E). If a title in the style of clickbait bling bling flashines is required for that to happen then so be it.
After reading all of this, i can say with confidence that the word "monster" is not enough for these people. Something worse would be fitting.
You can bet on it. At the very least there has to have been some activity.
After reading all of this, i can say with confidence that the word "monster" is not enough for these people. Something worse would be fitting.
You can bet on it. At the very least there has to have been some activity.
I agree with his sentiment, but disagree that he should not vote for this. IMO, the Russian sanctions are too important to derail over Iran Sanctions.
Saint Gregory
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Any coverage this can get would be great but it feels like it should everywhere not just on Maddow's show.
I hope it blows up.. but if there really is legislation that prevents trump from firing Mueller in the works i can have a little relief knowing the investigation is following this.
What's also interesting is Trump just leases out his name more or less for a lot of these things so doesn't actually profit in mega bucks, gets a cut I'm sure but he is helping them money launderer which also leaves open who backs these properties with funding to be built who would also be in deep shit. I get the feeling the Trump brand has survived on life support for so long because it's basically a "Hello, Money Laundering here!" brand. If he has the funds to buy property, it's extremely dodgy funds that set up money laundering or he doesn't have any funds.
sir_kevith
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Been listening through this for the last 1.5 hours. The questions from the committee aren't treating this stuff as fake news and they are very informed questions.
Sessions recusal pissing Trump off so much makes complete sense. Even if Trump gets away with treason, Putin isn't gonna be happy with how this is playing out.
dragonchild
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It's a good thing to have positive relations with Russia!
. . . remember who said that?
. . . remember who said that?
On the recent Planet Money podcast, he said he hasn't eaten at the same restaurant twice in years.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/putin-russia-us-sanctions-bill
"Insolent?" Huh. Interesting way to put it, Vlad.
"Insolent?" Huh. Interesting way to put it, Vlad.
skullmuffins
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He was scheduled to testify yesterday but Dems cut the hearing short so they could go protest the ACA repeal.
Russia's blackmail info on Trump is separate from the dossier (which simply makes note of it). That dirt was collected years before the dossier was written.
You're right that the sequence of events is a little fuzzy, but we do know that Trump's campaign met with these people to discuss "adoptions", the same shit they're talking about here. Those pieces certainly add up.
TetraGenesis
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Only was able to catch the very beginning. I've gotta dig in later. Hope it isn't too daunting to actually go viral like it needs to.
Halfway in and the account is so alarming and damning that anyone that has spoken lightly of Putin and his regime by this administration is pure inhumane traitorous scum and should be treated as such.
What in the flying fuck is the GOP doing? America is meant to fight against atrocities such as this.
What in the flying fuck is the GOP doing? America is meant to fight against atrocities such as this.
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