Now please explain to me where your 170-200W figure comes from. I see absolutely nothing here to indicate such a thing. Durango really sounds more along the lines of a cable box/tv tuner than a games console.
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Now please explain to me where your 170-200W figure comes from. I see absolutely nothing here to indicate such a thing. Durango really sounds more along the lines of a cable box/tv tuner than a games console.
Before I was set straight about the teraflop comparison not working, yes. You need very powerful PC hardware to do what Durango (and Orbis) are doing. In fact, the devkits for Orbis and Durango are very, very similar.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Yes and no. Last generation we had a move from much more basic SD output to (mostly) HD output with shaders and fancy lighting. This is more of the same as that, but with more capabilities and obviously better IQ.
They are way more theoretically possible than they were for Wii, which used a GPU design from the 90s rather than more than a decade later. There is still a CPU, ram and GPU defecit, however, and not a small defecit. But porting is not a gigantic technical hurdle. The Wii U is capable of running the engines this time around.
With that said, don't expect too many ports (hell, probably a similar amount to the Wii). Publishers' bean counters operate on ROI and perceived demographics.
i think he'd still claim that - for real world performance vs what you'd see in the pc world. all along the insiders have said not to pay attention to the numbers, they dont mean as much as you think, and that both systems are more powerful then the numbers indicate. yet here we are, multiple threads and countless posts latter, still seeing the same disappointment
Man, this thing has to be super secret or something :\
Gemüsepizza;46705518 said:
Of course. As does the Xenos 60% figure (which a couple of days ago, I think was aegies' reference to PC GPUs...no one such figure exists anyway.). Which isn't to say modern GPU units aren't 'better' or 'more efficient' than what was in Xenos - of course, they benefit from several years of design know how - but it'll still depend on developers. You can stall any processor, or optimise use of any processor. Now there may be potential bottlenecks in a system for typical cases that hardware design can try to address, but that's subtly different thing.
Lol how often are you going to make this comment? It's nonsense and just silly.
pr0cs
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serious?
no really.. serious?
this has to be the most powerful tv tuner known to man then. If you're serious then you're really hard to take serious.
PopcornMegaphone
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So you're saying MS is going for efficiency rather than raw power, just like they did with the 360.
Jr will probably be banned if he keeps it up.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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If it's "better" it probably won't be significantly. From what I understand, the most obvious difference between the hardware is pretty much in the type of RAM they use. They use the same CPU, similar GPU.
Would be even more funny if all of their other third party off the shelf parts are provided by the same vendors.
Backfoggen
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A cable box at a minimum of $399? Lmao.
lightchris
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This would be the first time. I think the average image quality will improve once again (at least slightly), even if 1080p won't become the new standard.
More studios going out of business.
Lots of free to play nickle and diming games.
Meltdowns on Gaf
PC games still looking better.
GlamFM
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Can you stop with this crap please. We get it. Does not get less stupid if you repeat it over and over.
Barack Lesnar
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They'll run them at 1080p. Those demos and engines wouldn't have been made if the next-gen consoles couldn't run them at parity or close to it.
mocolostrocolos
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Ding ding ding ding. Fanboys eat your heart yout.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
I haven't seen Durango specs with an ARM processor so probably not geared to being a more robust STB.
LMAO!!
Devs are just spending all that money for fun. Haven't you heard?
gaming_noob
Member
More like:
Durango: Los Angeles Lakers 2012-2013
Orbis: Oklahoma Thunder 2012-2013
If you like de baseball (based on team projections):
Durango: Toronto Bluejays
Orbis: Washington Nationals
The Faceless Master
Member
and we won't even get that in many games
No matter how many times you quote, no matter how many times someone else will point it out, rabid fanboys will never believe it.
They demand a Xbox/PS2 gap.
if CUs are often not used nearly half the time, you'd think AMD/Nvidia would revisit their GPU architectures to make the pipelines more efficient rather than just add more CUs.
Seems odd.
so it'd be like
MS: Here is a 7970 in a PC, it'll approximate what you'll get in durango (actual GPU is significantly weaker but with a much more efficient pipeline avoiding stalls etc)
Sony: Here is a 7970 in a PC, it'll approximate what you'll get in orbis (Actual GPU is weaker but better than Durango, but relies more on brute force and isn't as efficient so the end result is similar)
(actual GPU just made up for the same of comparison)
That ARM chip is for security.
1313 looks better because it isn't open world,when simply talking about which looks bettter you should only take how it looks into consideration not the level design.
this will get ignored by next page, and by some even sooner.
lol, durante is wii-u.5, orbis IS next-gen
Shiiiiiiiiiit.
Sorc3r3r
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In Europe, Asia, and other PAL countries Microsoft must have a solid alternative strategy, this is a USA forum so i can understand that the focus is about the USA market, but to sell this thing outside that market with the focus they seem to have will be an hard job, put all this service behind a paywall and you have even more obstacles.
But only time will tell, E3 can't come soon enough.
Well my understanding is that Orbis has a better GPU, more ram now as Orbis has recently done a bump, and a similar CPU. Durango is more efficient supposedly but on specs, Orbis is the clear leader. Is this a correct impression then?
*dead*
I guess Mario would be Kobe here? Making too many games and not letting his teammates get involved.
I think games looking closer to CG is a big fucking leap.
FlutterPuffs
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From what I remembered (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) all consoles since the dawn of console ages have to work under a 240W limit.
Does my i7 920 with 12 GB DDR3 and HD6970 get the job done?
Can Crusher
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If the architecture doesn't allow you to reach 100%, and you only manage to reach 60 because of it, how is that dependent on developers?
MS could've simply designed a more powerful system you know?
It feels like 2005 again. My body is ready.
PopcornMegaphone
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So it's going to come down to games and services? And how they push those to interested consumers?
Suits me fine if that's the case
thiswasavailable
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People will come around when they see the early titles. FLOPS was always a poor indication of performance as it is only one of many metrics that matter. For example what good is a GPU with a high TF rating when it simply can't be feed fast enough by other components.
Still people have to cling to something to compare against. If people let go of FLOPS they will latch onto something else. Like always the proof will be in the games. I recall when everyone agreed that the PS3 was much more powerful than the 360 due to the FLOPS difference. In the end it was a wash from game to game for many reasons.