Wow even wordier than the GS:1&2? That sounds unlikely! Still, it was like $10 I think I should probably go for it.
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Golden Sun |OT| The Sun Rises Again! (Wii U VC)
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Wow even wordier than the GS:1&2? That sounds unlikely! Still, it was like $10 I think I should probably go for it.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The main issues with Dark Dawn are that it relies far too heavily on previous plot points from Golden Sun 1 and 2, the cast of GS1 + 2 is extremely important to the story but you only ever see Isaac, Garet, Kraden, and
in person while the rest are relegated to encyclopedia entries, and the world has changed so much in so little time that not much is recognizable, and it feels a little jarring coming off of the ending of GS2. It also acts a lot like GS1 in that the entire game feels like it's building up to something instead of having something actually happen, but there's a lot less "oomph" to the story and it's harder to care about the plot and characters. It's not a bad game, but it's not nearly the gem its predecessors were.
Alex
I also don't know what the deal was with Felix getting totally shafted. His encyclopedia entry say that he went somewhere and was never seen again... I hope that leads up to something in GS4, if it ever gets made. Everyone else seems to have at least a residual presence in the game, but Felix just went completely AWOL. Isaac is also considered the leader of the Heroes of Vale, while Felix is considered his companion... didn't we play as Felix during the more important game?
Bucket Mouse
Member
I absolutely loved, loved, loved GS1 & 2 on the GBA back in the day. Like the Zelda Oracle games, the password/link cable transfer system was innovative and enriched the overall experience in an appreciable way. Besides being a weaker product in general, Dark Dawn suffered from launching about 5 years too late and for abandoning the linked game concept.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Reading the OP made me remember how much I loved these games. I'll have to get the VC version when I get a WiiU.
shadyspace
Banned
I loved this game so much. Probably the first JRPG I actually beat. I never played Lost Age because I couldn't get the freakin' carry-over password to work :/ oh and Dark Dawn was a piece of garbage and made my soul hurt.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
GS1 and GS2 were originally one full game but due to cartridge space were split. I would say both are equally important. As for Felix's whereabouts it is disconcerting but with Dark Dawn the game did feel more restrictive. Not as much places to go for one.
Lightning Lord
Banned
I replayed 1 and 2 last year, not sure if I want to get back into it again so soon, but I sure do love replaying it.
For me though, the real meat of the game is TLA. The first game is more like a tasty appetizer.
For me though, the real meat of the game is TLA. The first game is more like a tasty appetizer.
The Golden Sun duology is amazing. Holy shit. I love it to death.
I remember finally playing the first game after not finding it all that interesting. I was bored in the prologue section and also had the dubious honor of being among those who were lost in that same section. I stick it out though at the insistence of a friend. So I finally get Ivan and pass through that Northern cave or whatever (where the water puddles are), and things start to pick up, then I get Mia and more Djinn and I'm traveling to the north to get to the Mercury Lighthouse.
I had this moment of epiphany while fighting Saturos, where I was just like "this game gives me reason to live." ARRGH. So good. From that point, I played it obsessively and beat it in about a week.
And then I bought The Lost Age and it was even better. For me, GS2 > GS1. Or something like GS2 >>>>> GS1
I actually typed in the entire Gold level or whatever it was password. I screwed it up the first time, too.
I remember finally playing the first game after not finding it all that interesting. I was bored in the prologue section and also had the dubious honor of being among those who were lost in that same section. I stick it out though at the insistence of a friend. So I finally get Ivan and pass through that Northern cave or whatever (where the water puddles are), and things start to pick up, then I get Mia and more Djinn and I'm traveling to the north to get to the Mercury Lighthouse.
I had this moment of epiphany while fighting Saturos, where I was just like "this game gives me reason to live." ARRGH. So good. From that point, I played it obsessively and beat it in about a week.
And then I bought The Lost Age and it was even better. For me, GS2 > GS1. Or something like GS2 >>>>> GS1
I actually typed in the entire Gold level or whatever it was password. I screwed it up the first time, too.
This game has far, far too much useless dialog. Here is an example of what you will see in this game:
<wizard> Oh, these are the powerful jewels. Do you want me to tell you more about them?
Yes/No?
<you> Yes.
<wizard> There's no time for that. Let's go.
Another example:
<wizard> These are the powerful jewels. Have I ever told you about them?
Yes/No?
<you> Yes. (attempting to skip the full explanation)
<some other party member> WAIT, YOU NEVER TOLD MEEEE!
Wizard proceeds with full explanation...
There are probably two dozen Y/N questions in the game within just a few hours of play, and not a single one ultimately affects the outcome or dialog tree. Hell, you get one within the first ten seconds of the game. The mother asks Isaac if he has everything he needs (Yes/No?), but if you select "no", she basically says "too bad, let's go".
<wizard> Oh, these are the powerful jewels. Do you want me to tell you more about them?
Yes/No?
<you> Yes.
<wizard> There's no time for that. Let's go.
Another example:
<wizard> These are the powerful jewels. Have I ever told you about them?
Yes/No?
<you> Yes. (attempting to skip the full explanation)
<some other party member> WAIT, YOU NEVER TOLD MEEEE!
Wizard proceeds with full explanation...
There are probably two dozen Y/N questions in the game within just a few hours of play, and not a single one ultimately affects the outcome or dialog tree. Hell, you get one within the first ten seconds of the game. The mother asks Isaac if he has everything he needs (Yes/No?), but if you select "no", she basically says "too bad, let's go".
freakzilla3000
Junior Member
Day 1 for me
Golden Sun's graphics are holding up better than I expected, to be honest. Even on a 50 inch TV it still looks surprisingly decent all things considered. It's definitely easier to play it on the GamePad, though, despite that annoying manual button being on the screen the whole time.
The graphics definitely hold up surprisingly excellently on a handheld screen, at least. Just goes to show how well certain artstyles can hold up!
UltimateIke
Member
thesaucetastic
Unconfirmed Member
fuck, that music is so nostalgic.
I want to play it again now so badly, but I don't have a Wii U yet and the friend I lent my GBA copy to 5 years ago never gave it back to me ;_;
I want to play it again now so badly, but I don't have a Wii U yet and the friend I lent my GBA copy to 5 years ago never gave it back to me ;_;
Omegasquash
Member
Y'know I never did finish these games out. Guess I'll blow the dust off them sometime and fire up my GBA to do what must be done.
hehehe yeah, when it was announced we'd get digital manuals I mentioned how it really does come with it!
Loved that thing, still own it actually
Snkfanatic
Banned
Looking forward to playing this for the first time.
This is actually more promotion than I would have expected for a GBA re-release.
They are actually very easy and cheap to acquire.
I found both Golden Sun I and II on Craigslist, but I also commonly see them in retro game stores.
I am planning on following along on my Micro, you should try to do the same!
$11.46 with Prime shipping on Amazon, not terrible http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005OARM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
thesaucetastic
Unconfirmed Member
ooh yeah, that's not bad at all. Might just bite. Following along sounds fun, maybe I'll do it too!
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
Guess I'd better finish off Soul Hackers tomorrow then to get to this. Heh.
I need to finish off Oracle of Seasons before I move on, I'm right at the end too.
Lacking motivation right now.
UltimateIke
Member
Golden Sun is finally available! I've already made it out of Vale and collected Flint, so things are going well!
Starwolf_UK
Member
For Europeans, despite the original releases coming out in German, French, Italian and Spanish (as separate carts) this VC release is in English only (this is contrary to how they handle the rest of the VC where everyone gets shitty 50Hz if a non-English ROM exists). I'd love to know why but not being an affected country leaves me incapable of asking but just something to bare in mind if you really liked those localisations (or maybe something to be joyful about if they were bad..).
I noticed in the download thread you found the solution here was to use exact pixel scaling (resulting in the tiny border) rather than full screen.
Spirit Icana
Member
I'm at Imil. Game has held up really well for me.
I'm not upgrading my armor on my first playthrough. I need some challenge. I did the Tret dungeon so all I need is to complete Mercury Lighthouse and get some water.
Oh and... ISAAC FOR SMASH BROS!
I'm confused. You're taking your Wii U... on a plane? An air plane? How do you power the system on up there?
I couldn't get into Lost Age. Massive disappointment. It was by far my most anticipated game in 2003 too. I couldn't sleep the day before I could play it. The original (this game) is one of my most favorite game of all time.
So yeah, I don't miss Lost Age, but I'll get it when it comes out.
I'm not upgrading my armor on my first playthrough. I need some challenge. I did the Tret dungeon so all I need is to complete Mercury Lighthouse and get some water.
Oh and... ISAAC FOR SMASH BROS!
Grief said:
I'm confused. You're taking your Wii U... on a plane? An air plane? How do you power the system on up there?
keby said:
I couldn't get into Lost Age. Massive disappointment. It was by far my most anticipated game in 2003 too. I couldn't sleep the day before I could play it. The original (this game) is one of my most favorite game of all time.
So yeah, I don't miss Lost Age, but I'll get it when it comes out.
thesaucetastic
Unconfirmed Member
He's playing along on his micro, like I am on my GBA. I'm up to infiltrating Sol Sanctum. Damn this nostalgia can't be good for my heart, especially this music.
Rogue Agent
Banned
In Golden Sun, I loved how you were chasing a group as you progressed through the game.
Won't buy this until the superior TLA comes to VC as well.
... I really want this.
All the more reason to get the first one now. What better way to get the sequel than to indicate general interest in the series?
Following along on an actual GBA.
Was having a nice glass of whiskey at 30,000 feet while I played today.
That micro is GORGEOUS!!
A little too small for my hands, but I love the higher PPI.
The music in this game is quite good.
I have a Micro but only a couple of games for it, I was thinking of getting Golden Sun as well.
How does it play on the Micro's screen size? I was bit concerned about the text size.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Following along on an actual GBA.
I loved puzzles like these.
Perfectly, the text is very clear and legible.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Such fun little games. The only flaw is really the drawn-out dialogue and all the "...", but it's not a big deal really. Fun, dynamic battles, lots of exploration and kick-ass puzzles, good music, what more does a jRPG need? Well, the story could be more interesting, but at least it's serviceable and there aren't any actual "bad" moments.
I still need to beat part 2... >_> Gonna be a while with Dark Souls 2 using up all my time, though.
I still need to beat part 2... >_> Gonna be a while with Dark Souls 2 using up all my time, though.
I want Camelot to make Shining Force IV.
Gorgeous. Cute anime style without being saccharine and gross. Just classy and old-school. I love it.Here is the full piece that is used for the game's box art.
<3 Sakuraba is a master.
I'd say the main issues with Dark Dawn are that the difficulty jumps into the kiddy pool about 2 hours in and stays there the entire game, that just as the game opens up the overworld exploration it ends abruptly (and with a ridiculously lame boss fight), that the dialog is both terrible and copious, making GS 1 and 2 look like Shakespeare, and finally that the story is uninteresting and features an ending that makes no sense. On the plus side, it got the dungeon/town puzzle design of the GS series right.
Dark Dawn feels like a game pushed out halfway through its design cycle to meet a holiday release. That the last boss feels like the traditional "first big mid-game boss" supports this, along with the sloppy difficulty curve.
The thing is we know that this can't be the case, because iirc it was in development for quite awhile. I remember the first E3 where they had a little demo and then didn't talk or show anything about the game at all until E3 the next year.
i think that its easy to understand me when i say that we have had many patience with nintendo and the eshop over the years, especially in europe with 50hz and more but...
if, in spain, the original golden sun on the game boy advance was in spanish...
WHY IS GOLDEN SUN ON THE ESHOP ONLY IN ENGLISH??.... nintendo, really...
(i just read that it was in english on a review)
EDIT: i can play a videogame in english like if it was in spanish, but not everyone can. I know that, depending on the quality of the spanish translation, its better to play the english translation if that one is better, but we are not even talking about that. When the game was released it was in spanish. Nintendo always releases its games in spanish, so i dont know what happened...
Also, what about the rest of europe?? Is the game in english there too, or can you play it in your language??
if, in spain, the original golden sun on the game boy advance was in spanish...
WHY IS GOLDEN SUN ON THE ESHOP ONLY IN ENGLISH??.... nintendo, really...
(i just read that it was in english on a review)
EDIT: i can play a videogame in english like if it was in spanish, but not everyone can. I know that, depending on the quality of the spanish translation, its better to play the english translation if that one is better, but we are not even talking about that. When the game was released it was in spanish. Nintendo always releases its games in spanish, so i dont know what happened...
Also, what about the rest of europe?? Is the game in english there too, or can you play it in your language??