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Does NeoGAF harbor rockist attitudes?
- Thread starter RastaMentality
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RastaMentality
Banned
what do you think it is then?
I mean I don't even know if what you said is true, but if so I'd imagine it comes down to personal preference.
I think both are bollocks, though I prefer JT's voice.
Today's pop music is 99% marketing campaigns and social media buzz, and 1% talent.
Don't believe me? Google Taylor Swift's "verified fan" program. A program so disgustingly obvious that it's sole aim is to get kids buying as many copies of her album as possible.
Don't believe me? Google Taylor Swift's "verified fan" program. A program so disgustingly obvious that it's sole aim is to get kids buying as many copies of her album as possible.
Because music is supposed to be art, and art is better when it's a genuine creative effort that comes from a personal place rather than something made to be a consumable product by a round table of professional McMusic makers over brunch.
RastaMentality
Banned
So comic book McMovies can be genuinely good but not the same for music? This is an interesting double standard
I hate em both! I am too hip!
RastaMentality
Banned
Thats fair.
Its just weird how Antman is seen as a great film on GAF but the latest album by Beyoncé which has a 92 on metacritic is just another example of McMusic.
teruterubozu
Member
All is fair in this McThread.
Antman fucking sucked, and I kinda like Paul Rudd for some reason.
kingbean
Member
It's entirely possible that people just like different things and people are capable of being assholes about it
It's life. Not everything is made to please everyone and opinions can be the same way.
I don't care about what people like and I don't let people's opinions bother me much. Unless they're a jerk that says your opinion is wrong.
It's life. Not everything is made to please everyone and opinions can be the same way.
I don't care about what people like and I don't let people's opinions bother me much. Unless they're a jerk that says your opinion is wrong.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Who listens to rock music anymore? It's dead. Hell, barely anyone listens to metal and that actually still has a lot of interesting things going on.
teruterubozu
Member
Just because it's not on the radio it doesn't mean it's dead. Is jazz dead? Folk music? Don't let radio dictate your reality.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
I listen to older rock music, but I basically agree. Rap/hip hop/pop/electronic music is eating it completely.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
In terms of new music? It's been dead for the last 10+ years at the very least in terms of influential new bands.
teruterubozu
Member
Well "influential" is a debatable term. The only one who's influencing current trends in music since the 70s is a bunch of suits in a boardroom dictating what music they're gonna shove down kids' throats. That's nothing new. But various forms of music isn't "dead". Heck, Guns 'N' Roses had the highest grossing tour of 2017. One of the reasons why today's elelctronic dance music is highly promoted is because it doesn't cost record companies a hell of a lot to make like in the past. You get a guy with a laptop and singer and you're good to go. Whereas before you had to book studio time for months for a 5-piece band and even more if you threw in a horn section or orchestra. There is economics in trends too.
Blood Borne
Member
Seems like people will attach the suffix "ist" to anything.
Muppet of a Man
Member
Because much of the time, they produce focus group tested lowest common denominator mass manufactured garbage. Pop music can be good, but you'll notice the really good stuff also tends to have major input from the performer themselves. It is reflected in how authentic the music sounds. This is true for all genres of music: e.g., rock, rap, r&b, hip hop, and even pop.
When music becomes so wrapped up in image and marketing that it loses its soul is where I draw the line.
Martinski43
Member
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours
See many pop, electronic and hip hop acts here? Mainly rock acts last time i checked.
https://www.google.se/amp/amp.timei...st-grossing-tours-2017-far-2113046?source=dam
Mainly rock acts that are killing it in 2017 too, so if rock is so dead why do millions go see it live?
One pop act in the top 5 this year, and artists earns the most from tours these days not radio play or selling records.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
C'mon man "old people go to rock concerts" isn't some new information
teruterubozu
Member
Dismissing old people as dead isn't anything new either. Looks like xxx-ist attitudes are pervasive no matter what genre you're into.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
If a bunch of old people want to get together and listen to music from when they were kids, that is their choice
It doesn't mean that type of music is still influential
teruterubozu
Member
And kids can be influenced by whatever they want to be influenced by, that is their choice.
It doesnt mean its good. Heck, hair metal power ballads and harmonized boy bands with choreographed moves were once influential.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Economics and home recording does play a role, I agree. It's easier and more anti-establishment to go it alone and record your own bedroom project. This is prevalent even in genres outside of electronic, most notably in metal. The reasons why rock is no longer a thing is a complicated topic.
Rock today is all old bands selling history. In the 90s you had industrial, grunge, alternative, britpop, shoegaze, etc. all happening at once, and all kinds of influential new bands emerged- Ministry, My Bloody Valentine, Pearl Jam, The Verve. Where are the visionary rock bands today? Those weren't just visionary bands, though- they sold a lot of records. Even the lesser known fan favorites like Slowdive and My Bloody Valentine are making new albums and touring in the US. It's the new 'classic' rock, but this time there is no 'new' generation of rock music alongside it.
I used to play in rock bands in the 90s, and every once in awhile an old friend from those days will message me out of the blue wanting to make music again, and they still listen to the same 90s rock bands.
teruterubozu
Member
Well popular music changes, thats a given. It was ragtime in the early 1900s then big band music, then Motown, and rock, disco, new wave, hair bands, grunge, boy bands, etc. The saxophone was replaced by the guitar which was replaced by the keyboard/computer and so forth. Its natural to think that the music of your teenage/youth years were the best ever. Its been marketed that way since the 50s - thats why old people gravitate to oldies radio to remember their teenage years. Its this American/Eurpeoan/Western idea that your teenage years were the time of ultimate freedom. We are all caught in it. And eventually the young people of this generation will be disgusted with whatever new stuff the next gen listens to. Its non-stop. But once you realize this cynical cycle, you can expand away from that and enjoy music on your own terms.
Senua
Member
Look at a Metallica crowd, absolutely full of younger people.
Martinski43
Member
If you think that there is only old people or even the majority of them are old at rock concerts you are deeeaaad wrong. You clearly have never been.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
didn't they stop making hit records in the 90s?
Senua
Member
No?
Martinski43
Member
Hit records? Afaik their albums peak album sales still when released.
Also what does that have to do with it, doesnt change the fact that lots of young people go see Metallica.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Metallica has younger fans just like other huge acts like Rush does today. Metallica is classic rock/metal. They might release an album every once in awhile, but it's not meaningful or influential new music.
In the context of a 'rockist' attitude, though, it can't be that significant seeing as rock is a dead/dying form of music. I think you're right though, that rock is in a similar state that big band music was post-Beatles.
In the context of a 'rockist' attitude, though, it can't be that significant seeing as rock is a dead/dying form of music. I think you're right though, that rock is in a similar state that big band music was post-Beatles.
Martinski43
Member
What is new and influential music then? It sure as shit is not what is on Top 40. The music with most new ideas are in indie and metal.
RastaMentality
Banned
Hip hop mostly and some pop
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
For sure, artists like Sleigh Bells, Death Grips, Periphery... they don't have the cultural impact that a huge rock band like Nirvana or Radiohead, though. It's more niche, things are pushed more to the extremes which don't really find a home in mainstream pop culture.
RastaMentality
Banned
Sleigh Bells make pop music though
And death grips is hip hop
And death grips is hip hop
Senua
Member
Lol Periphery
I'll just leave this review of their second album here
https://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/72153/Periphery-Periphery-II-This-Time-Its-Personal/
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Periphery represents more than the quality of their albums, I sure couldn't listen to anything other than their debut album. It's about what Mansoor did for the guitar industry, bedroom metal projects, djent as a genre, stuff like that. Niche, sure, but Periphery is the definition of influential music in the past 5-10 years. Not to take that away from Meshuggah, but it usually takes a derivative artist to push things past the original artist that gets it to catch on with kids. Djent is old hat now but it pops up in mainstream pop culture similar to something like dubstep, although not to that extent. It also represents how there's not so much interest in personalities in rock derived music anymore, unlike pop which is almost entirely about personalities as opposed to their music.
teruterubozu
Member
I liked their album (or EP) "Clear" but can't get into anything else they did. But yeah they definitely put the djent thing on the map, for better or for worse.
Relativ9
Member
I listen to a lot of "experimental" metal and know a lot of people around that scene, and while I listen to all music under the sun, I know a lot of them regard people who listen do regular list pop and even classic rock and the like as people with "dumb-unrefined tastes", in their view if music doesn't have complex time signatures and an intricate structure it's not worth listening too.
Don't get me wrong, the music they like is good and incredibly rewarding, but this whole "all or nothing, us against them" attitude isn't something I can get behind.
Martinski43
Member
My favourite 2017 pop tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LnRQwqz23w
Hifi Sean - Testify (Feat. Crystal Waters)
Don't have millions of views or such though, dont know why the song kicks fucking ass. Heard it at Metlife Stadium when it was played on the PA system before the U2 concerts. Had to look up the song afterwards.
Hifi Sean - Testify (Feat. Crystal Waters)
Don't have millions of views or such though, dont know why the song kicks fucking ass. Heard it at Metlife Stadium when it was played on the PA system before the U2 concerts. Had to look up the song afterwards.
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