valkillmore
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amazing thread. loving all the pics coming in.
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Scanline screenshot thread. Because 240p is all the p's I need.
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Man, I have no idea why, but these shots just look incredible. Such great artwork.
I think that's the old version of the shader, Rich. The latest one has a grille mask.
Big 1440p screenshot:
I've got a bunch here for you guys. Nothing too special as I haven't played deep into a lot of these yet except the SHMUPS, but these should give you an idea of the quality of RGB on original Genesis/Sega CD hardware. These pictures were taken on a Olympus OEV 143 RGB monitor which is a rebranded Sony PVM. Be warned there's a lot of these coming up. Also some aren't the greatest picture but oh well.
Plus I couldn't avoid this thread after how fun the CRT thread has been.
Plus I couldn't avoid this thread after how fun the CRT thread has been.
Sega CD System
Lunar: The Silver Star
Popful Mail
Android Assualt
Lords of Thunder
Elemental Master
Ghouls and Ghosts
UnDeadLine
Streets of Rage 2
Crusader of Centy - Easily the best looking in RGB of the bunch in my opinion
MUSHA
The scanline-loving crowd never recognize just how beautiful the pixel structure makes amazing scanlines on the 3DS. So lovely.
I love this post. Nicely done.
Isn't 3DS also 240p in 2D mode?
Agreed. This is why though I enjoy playing some of them I cannot get fully on board with the pixel art they utilize. They just don't look as good without a proper CRT display or at least an attempt to emulate that look. I'd love to be able to apply retroarch shaders to them all though (someone please tell me that's possible).
patrickthehedgehog
Member
The scanline-loving crowd never recognize just how beautiful the pixel structure makes amazing scanlines on the 3DS. So lovely.
I've noticed this when playing NES VC games on 3DS XL. Is that the new LL or the regular new model? Is that how the screen is making it look or does that glorious port of a game that's never going to come to the US have an option for scanlines?
robot
Member
I agree with you for the most part, but one game off the top of my head that absolutely nails it is Shovel Knight. Especially the 3DS version.
Nah, nothing with the M2 work...they don't have any scanline options. If anything as you shift through the range of 3D you start getting some abberations. NES games look just as good (as long as you go one-to-one pixel). I just happened to be playing FZII tonight. It is the smaller N3DS...a nice return to form and smaller screen they started with the 2DS. Smaller 3DS systems have better image than the larger models, I've always felt. OG model is tops. I love the low-res screen on the 3DS, way more preferable to something like the Vita
Now this is my kind of thread. Here are some of the pics I´ve taken for my Instagram account which is mostly dedicated to these shots LOL. In no particular order. I´ll try to make new ones for this thread as soon as I´m done with a stupid test.
Shots taken on my Sony WEGA CRT SDTV.
Super Mario Bros. NES via Wii VC, Component.
Punch-Out!! NES via Wii VC, Component.
Ninja Gaiden. NES via Wii VC, Component.
Donkey Kong Country. SNES via Wii VC, Component.
Super Adventure Island. SNES via Wii VC, Component.
Pocky & Rocky 2. SNES S-Video out.
GS Mikami. SFC S-Video out.
Streets of Rage 2. Genesis via Wii VC, Component.
Shinobi 3. Genesis via Wii VC, Component.
Castlevania Rondo of Blood. PCE via Wii VC, Component.
Raiden Project. PS1 S-Video out.
Castlevania SOTN (NTSC-J). PS1 S-Video out.
Salamander 2. PS1 S-Video out.
Final Fantasy IX. PS1 S-Video out.
Garou Mark of the Wolves. PS2 Component out, 240 patch applied.
Street Fighter III Third Strike. Dreamcast S-Video out, 240p out.
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
Fatal Fury. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
Fatal Fury 3. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
Baseball Stars 2. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
480p 31 kHz scanlines need some love too, you know. Some shots on my Sony CRT 21´ VGA monitor.
DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu. Xbox360 through VGA out.
Espgaluda II. Xbox360 through VGA out.
MightyHedgehog
Member
For everyone commenting on how newer games' pixel art fails to have the magic of the old stuff, I think that beyond the pure artistry involved, it's about the lack of texture that scanlines help to provide with those low resolution images. Just turn off scanlines with any emulator or upscaler and the quality of that work is greatly diminished or, at least, very different, because those graphic artists and animators relied upon the scanlines and phosphor glow on their own workstation CRT monitors to be the very canvas they created all of their art in mind with. Take those scanlines away, and the dimensions of their intended art are altered and put that on a fixed panel display, and you're losing the near-infinite spatial resolution that CRT provided with that glossy movement no current fixed panel can replicate until they have much higher pixel density than is available now on the average gaming display. I love the newest attempts at recreating the old look, but the uniformity of scanline width due to the lack of proper phosphor glow simulation to approximate the CRT effect still loses the real thing that any CRT does with ease. As well, the hues apparent to the naked eye are greater when you're looking at those dithered patterns used in those low color-depth images from a decent distance, helped by that luminosity of that phosphor glow for brighter colors creating those intermediate shades by effectively thinning the scanlines above and below them. Maybe one day in the next decade, but for now CRT is just not perfectly replicated on modern display tech.
And damn! at that phosphor glow from that SoR2 pic you took, jbueno.jbueno said:
theSlacker
Member
Thread needs to be renamed to "Hardcore pornography, mature audiences only".
Haven't seen a ton of Saturn love in here yet either so here I am to deliver. Again these are all taken on a 14" Olympus OEV 143 which is a Sony PVM clone. The scanlines show up a lot better in these then my first set. If some are blurry thats an ill effect of me trying to do this with one hand trying to make the games do something with the other.
Akumajo Dracula X
Dodonpachi - Not in tate mode, didn't feel like flipping the monitor at the time.
Gunbird
Layer Section
Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
Bonus Shot:
Took this of Megaman X5 on my PS2 through component on this monitor as well. Really liked the way the scanlines showed in this shot.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Your wish is my command!
Top two are from Art of Fighting 2 and the others are from KOF 98 both running on an Omega CMVS through an xrbg and on a panny plasma.
Ask and you shall receive. Didn't see this with my last post. Heres two more I have for my Saturn. Again on my Olympus OEV 143 through RGB.
Vampire Savior
The King of Fighters 95
Sorry I'm a bit of a Morrigan and Darkstalkers fan.
I've get plenty more games if anyone has any interesting requests. That's about it for my Saturn stuff right now. I do have a bunch of Genesis stuff if anyone is after anything specific. I may take a few SNES shots too.
Some other shots I had on my HDD. Promise I´ll take more soon.
Mega Man ?. NES via Wii VC, component. This one transcends scanlines, look into the pixels.
Super Metroid. SNES, S-Video.
Street Fighter II Turbo. SNES, S-video.
Fatal Fury Special. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
Samurai Shodown II. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
King of Fighters ´98. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
The Last Blade 2. NeoGeo via Wii VC, Component.
Castlevania SOTN. PS1, S-Video.
Garou Mark of the Wolves. PS2, Component, 240p patch applied.
Some of my favs, I'll wrap them in quotes so click to enlarge.
All snaps taken on a (pretty crap sorry) camera off screen via RGB on a Sony PVM 14L2.
Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64
Sega Mega Drive - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist
Super Nintendo Entertainment System - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Sega Saturn - Guardian Heroes
Nintendo Entertainment System - Super Mario Bros.
Sega Mega Drive - Eat up Martha
Gameboy Advance via Gamecube Gameboy Player - 240p forced with Swiss
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Pokemon Crystal
Metal Slug Advance
WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames!
All snaps taken on a (pretty crap sorry) camera off screen via RGB on a Sony PVM 14L2.
Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64
Sega Mega Drive - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist
Super Nintendo Entertainment System - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Sega Saturn - Guardian Heroes
Nintendo Entertainment System - Super Mario Bros.
Sega Mega Drive - Eat up Martha
Gameboy Advance via Gamecube Gameboy Player - 240p forced with Swiss
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Pokemon Crystal
Metal Slug Advance
WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames!
Ah, just what I needed. Thank you sir.
Holy crap! I love the Darkstalkers series. Thank you for delivering!
I would love the lower resolution if the system were focused primarily on 2D games but, for 3D, it's too low.
I prefer the DSi XL in that sense as there are more 2D games on the platform that just look amazing on that thing. Of course, it wasn't even a full 240p so conversions and emulation wouldn't work well but for native DS games it was great.
Sonic 2 on a Genesis Model 1 with RGB out to my 14" Panasonic Studio RGB Monitor. I got in pretty close in on that last picture
Six Glorious Pictures! 0_o
More:
Super Smash Bros. Melee, 480p Component out GCN to D-Terminal Framemeister, 720p mode with forced scanlines on a 42" 1080p Panasonic Plasma.
I don't care if 480p images aren't "supposed" to have scanlines. They make games look amazing when upscaled because the jags go away.
I really wish I had a capture card because these off-screen iphone shots just don't do it justice:
F-Zero GX on same setup as SSBM (above).[/QUOTE]
Dolphin, eat your heart out.
Super Smash Bros. Melee, 480p Component out GCN to D-Terminal Framemeister, 720p mode with forced scanlines on a 42" 1080p Panasonic Plasma.
I don't care if 480p images aren't "supposed" to have scanlines. They make games look amazing when upscaled because the jags go away.
(Come at me GAF).
F-Zero GX on same setup as SSBM (above).[/QUOTE]
Dolphin, eat your heart out.
Phat Michael
Banned
illl take some shots later of my supergun with Cave PCB's. This thread is the tits.
does the genesis emulator on the sega collection on steam have a scanline option? im not home to check
I miss scanlines
I don't think it did last I checked. Just do what I did, buy the games on Steam and then just download the roms and play them on an emulator that lets you do what you want. I know legally it doesn't work like that but in my view Sega still got my money and I got to play them how I want without the guilt of feeling like a filthy pirate.
I'm with you on this. General consensus is that the DSi XL is the single best oversall DS system. Probably my favorite as well.
That said, I've got many 3DS systems ans tend to use different systems for different things. One of my 2DS systems is solely a Sega 3D Classics machine, only in 2D. My daily 3DS XL is the one with all my content...2D and 3D. I like to try to set up different systems with different setups...an RGB PCE on the framemeister but also another on a PVM.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Yea - anything pre-PS3/XBox looked great on CRT. I always find it's a crime to play them on an emulator because of the resolution differences on a PC.
opticalmace
Member
Emulators can make fake scanlines right?
Is anyone able to show an image with and without scanlines? I'm not sure I understand the appeal of them apart from nostalgia.
Is anyone able to show an image with and without scanlines? I'm not sure I understand the appeal of them apart from nostalgia.
KDash31987
Member
I was actually wondering recently why there wasn't a screenshot thread for older stuff...I guess this will do! Subscribed! I'll try and post some stuff later.
zephervack
Member
Great thread, long time coming.
Can someone post more pics of the retroarch GameBoy DMG filter, it looks exactly how I remember playing those games under good light.
Can someone post more pics of the retroarch GameBoy DMG filter, it looks exactly how I remember playing those games under good light.
It makes the pixels/polygons look less blocky and pixelated on the edges. Diagonal lines of old school games weren't designed to look like blocky "staircases". But without scanlines, that's what they look like.
Properly applied scanlines are intended to fill in the gaps between rows of pixels to "complete" the image of 240p games. Notice how the shiny spot and soft shadowing on the blue ball in the very top row of comparison shots below looks a whole lot more natural on the right picture, and a whole lot blockier/ugly in the left picture. The lack of scanlines ruins the artwork in my opinion. And many others share this opinion.
These are from Fudoh's website. They are not from emulators, but rather PGM and NeoGeo MVS Games on the Framemeister.
These are Playstation Games on the Framemeister.
Super Famicom, Mega Drive & PC Engine Games on the Framemeister
Again, all of these are from Fudoh's website, and they help illustrate how much magic is missing when the scanlines aren't there.
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
P.S. The biggest difference that scanlines make are on games with prerendered backgrounds like DKC on SNES and Squaresoft RPGs on PS1. Ever notice that they look like garbage on modern HD displays? Scanlines are essential to get the proper intended effect of those images.
greatestjediever
Member
Oh shit, thank you for reminding me of Thunderforce III. I remember I used to play it as a little kid on my uncle's Genesis but couldn't remember the name. I even recall looking at Thunderforce IV pics and going "nope, thats not the one". But the ending pictures sparked my memory. Thanks!
Moor-Angol
Banned
All screenshots taken from Saturn + original RGB cable + Framemeister mini + LG 27" IPS
Super Tempo
Real Bout Fatal Fury
Lunar Silver Star Story
Super Tempo
Real Bout Fatal Fury
Lunar Silver Star Story
KDash31987
Member
Here's the PlayStation version of Rayman running on a PlayStation 2 with component cables on an RCA TruFlat CRT (not sure what the model number is, it was ripped off):
Some alternate takes here: http://kdash31987.minus.com/i/YDpp0QF2NO1A
If you plan to try and take some shots of this, here's a tip: When the game is paused, holding R1 and R2 will remove the pause screen text.
Some alternate takes here: http://kdash31987.minus.com/i/YDpp0QF2NO1A
If you plan to try and take some shots of this, here's a tip: When the game is paused, holding R1 and R2 will remove the pause screen text.
100% yes, this counts.
OnionPowder
Member
This is the most beautiful thread on GAF
Which model of 3ds was this taken on?