Hi i'm Caleb
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Controller doesn't have a Start button.
How am I supposed to get past intro screens?
How am I supposed to get past intro screens?
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Full PS4 specs, console and controller [Blu-ray drive confirmed]
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dummydecoy
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We are going to see dual bluray games next gen right?
50gb just isn't enough anymore based on what we've seen form the conference.
Insert disc 2 to continue!
50gb just isn't enough anymore based on what we've seen form the conference.
Insert disc 2 to continue!
Insane Metal
Member
Interestingly enough, in the spec sheet they say "next gen amd graphics card". 
They said in the PR they merged Start and Select into the new Options button (to the right of the touch pad).
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
DAT D PAD! LOOKS LIKE VIRA!
A 50GB Blu Ray should give developers much less headaches next gen compared to what DVDs have been in the current gen.
Btw they haven't announced which Blu Ray discs it reads. There might some discussions going on behind the scenes with the BDA but honestly if they have to raise the price because of Blu Ray again it's better if they stick with 50GB discs.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Should have done more investigative journalism before you quoted that .
None of this is actually correct, the memory is unified.
jamesinclair
Banned
No SACD, no sale
The OS is running on the Jaguars I assume, though certain features are handled via co-processors.
As for security who knows. Can't imagine that will be disclosed for obvious reasons.
Yeah me too.
Seems like a great architecture though. Unified, crazy fast memory. Co-processors were it makes sense. Tweaks to the GPU for GPGPU features instead of something crazy like CELL. etc. Elegant and powerful.
Here's an unscientific comparison. Looks about right.
Its a grower not a shower
but... how? it looks like it's oriented facing away from the player, how would the player even see it in a well lit environment?
shaderhacker
Banned
No it isn't. Just because you have enough RAM to render at 4k doesn't mean you have the bandwidth or GPU power to sustain a reasonable framerate. 1.84TFLOPs is way low compared to high-end GPUs and those struggle at 2k.
-M
The OS is running on the Jaguars I assume, though certain features are handled via co-processors.
As for security who knows. Can't imagine that will be disclosed for obvious reasons.
no, he said custom processor was running OS and background features, right? Was I imagining things or nobody else cought this? It wasnt about video decoder/encoder or zlib decore... he said custom cpu running OS and background.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
50GB is more than enough. Sound is what takes up so much space on a disc not anything to do with graphics.
Has there been any information about whether the Eye is required? Sort of like what they're saying about Kinect2.0 being required for xbox720 (or whatever it's called)). I was massively turned off by the idea of MS keeping track of my movements on my couch and using that information for ads. I just hope Sony doesn't do this as well.
Yes. He definitely said that, and that's f'n awesome!!
dragonbane
Member
You are right. He said it was a separate processor.
Oh really ... I did miss parts of it.
That's interesting if true. I wonder if that means certain other apps (browser, etc) are running completely independently?
GopherD has also suggested in a thread that less than 1 Jaguar will be used by the OS. He is typically very good, and also the guy who told Thuway he would get the BBQ sauce ready if/when they said 8GB of GDDR5.
Was hoping it was actually bigger.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It looks much better in a matte finish compared to the earlier photo.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Something very interesting here is that it really seems that they didn't go for 14+4 CU separation on the GPU. They almost go out of their way saying that all 18 are unified and can be used for whatever purpose developers want.
MeBecomingI
Member
Damn... that controller looks really, really good!
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
With built in HDD and 8GB of faster then needed ram, yes.
I've found the DS3 numbers on Wikipedia but maybe they're wrong.
I've measured my DS3 and it's 15.5cm long not 16cm.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Slightly disappointed they opted for a HDD rather than an SSD
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I won't disagree that a SSD would be better, but.. 8GB...
Standard HDDs still have a significant size advantage, combine that with price and their choice was pretty simple.
They are more expensive and die quicker...not good.
They should make a PS3 variant of the DS4. I'd buy one.
Somewhat disappointed by the dated Bluetooth support.
Somewhat disappointed by the dated Bluetooth support.
I didn't hear him say the whole OS, just certain activities. Could be wrong.
SSD's are expensive and would greatly affect the price. It would better if the option to connect an SSD ourselves were available.
AgentOtaku
Member
Seriously
I'm excited for this new controller, but the DS3 will still hold a special place in my heart
That makes more sense to me.
You obviously can't have a separate processor handling user inputs (the same processors running the game has to have it as well) ... so that would mean you have to have it running in two places. Waste of RAM. Well, unless this OS processor also has its own memory too. Still though, that just seems a bit weird to me.
I imagine you'll be able to pull the drive and install your own.
I plan on tossing in a 256GB Corsair GT3 as soon as I bring it home, if self-upgrades are possible.
walking fiend
Member
Can someone estimate the BOM cost? From the looks of it, unless they want to loss something on the HW, it doesn't see to be anything below $500
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I doubt many games if any will use the BD drive alone. Games will have installs, but now they install 3x faster!
Depends on a few things.
1. Does the camera come in the box?
2. How much does the APU cost? I'm guessing cheaper than the Cell (<$200?), but now no RSX equivalent cost for a separate GPU.
3. 8GB GDDR5 ~$100? That is probably the second largest cost, second to the APU.
4. The BD drive in the PS3 was very costly (~$300), that is probably $30 now. HD cost are the same, just larger sizes. Everything else is small change (which adds up).
5. Controller cost? Probably $10 more than the DS3 at most. So maybe $35 for Sony?
So maybe $400 without the camera, $450 with? That include manufacturing and shipping. They will probably take a loss for sure.
Dead Prince
Banned
no. saving it.