After speaking with bgassassin, we came to the conclusion that the chip mentioned on SoCtronics' website probably isn't related to the Wii U after all, but is, in fact, Redwood (5570). It seems SoCtronics just made a few small mistakes and omissions on their website when describing the chip.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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AceBandage
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*cough*
Smiles and Cries
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all this stuff is magic dust to me, I have not clue how these guys go about designing a chip and target a range of power from this stuff.. Aliens?
this stuff is so awesome I wish I had a greater understanding of it.
Now that we are mostly sure that WiiU's GPU is custom chip I still wonder if it means now playing with power or Wii doom again
Hopefully IdeaMan does not come into this thread and post exactly this same tidbit as his new reveal lol
AceBandage
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all this stuff is magic dust to me, I have not clue how these guys go about designing a chip and target a range of power from this stuff.. Aliens?
this stuff is so awesome I wish I had a greater understanding of it.
Now that we are mostly sure that WiiU's GPU is custom chip I still wonder if it means now playing with power or Wii doom again
Hopefully IdeaMan does not come into this thread and post exactly this same tidbit as his new reveal lol
Every console uses custom chips.
The question is what you customize.
They can go any way with this, honestly.
pieatorium
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Heh oh well it was some good sluethig anyway, too bad you didn't get a Kotaku front page out of it :O
Although after that Vita games thing the other week I think the game sites might be laying low on too many rumours without proper fact checking.
Smiles and Cries
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I feel like knowing is still years away not 3 months
damn Nintendo and their secrets and now Ace had to remind me that Wii's chip was also custom to be a weak ass SD chip with waggle T_T
damn Nintendo and their secrets and now Ace had to remind me that Wii's chip was also custom to be a weak ass SD chip with waggle T_T
Another site will report it as a "rumor from an anonymous inside source," and then the blogs will run with it. It's the old cycle.
AceBandage
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Well, it definitely won't be a Wii like chip.
Not just in terms of power, but in terms of architecture and design.
It will be a much more modernized and standardized chip that developers are comfortable working with.
The biggest question is if they are going with an OpenGL 3.1 design, is if they'll include some 4.0 features.
Smiles and Cries
Member
you mean the making brick walls bumpy thing? I got lost after bump mapping generations ago I keep reading this thread and hope to learn again everyone wants these new feature sets on the chip so does adding these things change the cost of the chip? Power consumption?
AceBandage
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They had to add more to the chip, yes. So it does up the cost and power consumption, yes.
It's all a risk vs reward type thing.
They want to add as much as possible, without making it super expensive and super hot.
R
Rösti
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Kinda peculiar that article hasn't been brought up earlier considering it was posted on the 8th of June last year. I also find it strange it says the GPU is not a derivative of the Radeon line, seeing as that is what is says on the Nintendo Network @ E3 2011 site and also on the fact sheet that was published in conjunction with E3 2011.
Translation:
Well, it says "GPU: AMD Radeon™-based High Definition GPU." in the fact sheet, so perhaps it's only based on the architecture and not any solid frequencies etc.
http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/index.html
AceBandage
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It'll basically be a GPU that is loosely based on the Radeon HD line, but has nothing to really do with how it's designed.
Or, to put it another way:
It'll basically be a Radeon HD Nintendo.
A chip designed specifically for Nintendo's system, like any other new Radeon GPU.
They used a specific GPU in dev kits as a place holder early on, because it probably had similar features.
Or, to put it another way:
It'll basically be a Radeon HD Nintendo.
A chip designed specifically for Nintendo's system, like any other new Radeon GPU.
They used a specific GPU in dev kits as a place holder early on, because it probably had similar features.
tkscz
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AceBandage
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Well, we can still talk about it.
If 01net is correct and they used an HD4xxx in the first dev kits, then we can roughly guess what they were aiming for then.
The question now becomes, what are they aiming for since they boosted the power.
More techniques? More memory? Faster clock speed? Better bandwidth?
Smiles and Cries
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so after all this work and many pages and 3 threads
are you saying we don't know Shit?
if so... I agree
ClovingWestbrook
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Just had a Wii U dream ;/. I dreamt that somehow I had the actual console but I didnt think it'd turn on until actual launch day. I tried anyway and was met with an intro screen of every one of Nintendo's character IPs as well images of every single console they have released and the phrase 'Wii U: Where past, present, and future collide.' there was a demo app called Wii U design available. Also visually everything was amazing. Then I woke up
Smiles and Cries
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we need to start a Kickstarter to hire our own NINJA to steal Nintendo WiiU documents from Iwata at this point because too many of you guys are having bad dreams
while I cannot sleep
while I cannot sleep
AceBandage
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tkscz
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Batman and Kakashi work at Nintendo?
AceBandage
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Batman is a detective, not a ninja.
Sounds pretty prophetic. The dream didn't happen to actually tell when the world would end did it? I want to prepare but it's looking like late 2012.ClovingSteam said:Just had a Wii U dream ;/. I dreamt that somehow I had the actual console but I didnt think it'd turn on until actual launch day. I tried anyway and was met with an intro screen of every one of Nintendo's character IPs as well images of every single console they have released and the phrase 'Wii U: Where past, present, and future collide.' there was a demo app called Wii U design available. Also visually everything was amazing. Then I woke up
Can we expect Nintendo Direct next month?
Right now I play Revelations on the 3DS, and I must say that the Jill sections of the game are marvelous. But the Parker/Chris/Jessica parts have been really disappointing. Action doesn't fit this franchise - at least not on the handheld..
Right now I play Revelations on the 3DS, and I must say that the Jill sections of the game are marvelous. But the Parker/Chris/Jessica parts have been really disappointing. Action doesn't fit this franchise - at least not on the handheld..
AceBandage
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They seem to do it every two months, but I wouldn't expect Wii U stuff.
If we get any of that before E3, it'll be from their Investors Briefing.
I didn't deny the 2GB possibility at all. I think i have enough talked about the Wii U memory state, go back to thread part 2 and you'll see that there's more (with the following answers to the first post concerning that) than just "it's more than 1GB".
To sum up, Nintendo are apparently aiming for a memory quantity in the retail version bigger than 1GB (or a weird number like 1,2GB), and this made me surprised. It's between 1,5GB included and 2GB included. It's in a V4/V5 dev kit context, so the situation could change after. It will be the final precision of my previous informations regarding that
AceBandage
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I didn't deny the 2GB possibility at all. I think i had enough talked about the Wii U memory state, go back to thread part 2 and you'll see that there's more (with the following answers to the first post concerning that) than just "it's more than 1GB".
To sum up, Nintendo are apparently aiming for a memory quantity in the retail version bigger than 1GB (or a weird number like 1,2GB), and this made me surprised. It's between 1,5GB included and 2GB included. It's in a V4/V5 dev kit context, so the situation could change after. It will be the final precision of my previous informations regarding that
So... 8 GB?
[Journalist]Quick! Write a new exclusive Wii U article![/Journalist]
Between 1GB and 2GB with both included sounds awesome to me.
AceBandage
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Don't forget you owe me an Illinois Pizza
Come to Chicago, and I'll take you to Homerun Inn.
Best Pizza in the world.
mmhhh, my belly is making noises ><
Smiles and Cries
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12:25 PM
my insomnia is now losing to sleepiness
I just had a dream... that my WiiU had a remake of my favorite game as a child
this remake was an HD 3D Platform version of the Original Bubble Bobble (Arcade) and the music going
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inAAItNuFaE
oh no that song again so hypnotizing so many quarters from my moms laundry change bowl gone missing
so WiiU Bubble Bobble HD as a Mario 64 like maze of bubble popping and repeat music
drooools
my insomnia is now losing to sleepiness
I just had a dream... that my WiiU had a remake of my favorite game as a child
this remake was an HD 3D Platform version of the Original Bubble Bobble (Arcade) and the music going
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inAAItNuFaE
oh no that song again so hypnotizing so many quarters from my moms laundry change bowl gone missing
so WiiU Bubble Bobble HD as a Mario 64 like maze of bubble popping and repeat music
drooools
Dice excuse hit me in the wrong way. There are so many things they could have said but to me it sounded to "lol, we working on a Nintendo platform? be real!".
are you fat?
Everybody who's hungry is fat?
Smiles and Cries
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was that the new tidbit IdeaMan 8GB of memory and Chicago Pizza for WiiU?
AceBandage
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Read between the lines.
They're going to hit a Homerun with their Wii U Pizza RAM.
ClovingWestbrook
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Smiles and Cries
Member
so the pizza grease cools the chip so the power is delicious like chicken?
AceBandage
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1.21 Jigawatts and not a penny more.
I asked him again yesterday and he said he'd say something today
tkscz
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He trained in Ninjitsu (along with 100s of other martial arts). Also, anyone else notice that Nin is in Ninja and Nintendo.
Nothing makes you guys happy!
D:
Hey i warned them and thanks to repeat it, it's nothing huge. (I didn't post it yet). Every time it seems people expect me to reveal the complete spec sheet, i don't know it, i have enough stressed it before
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Yeah i was referring to the Dev Kit GPU. And i think the flexibility of the hardware design is indeed involved here, as it appears the system guts were still in flux by at least a moderate level, just a few months ago (the bump that benefited the v4 dev kits.). The question is really if these changes are tweaking on a rather "fixed" GPU design (like frequencies), more intricate modifications (that would imply circuitry, additions of features, etc.) but not to an extent to "redesign" again the GPU/re-balance all the other components, or even a switch to another GPU of different type/generation/series.
I'm dreamng of a new name for the U. Since this is Nintendo's sixth generation, it coud be the N6. Or they could go very simple and bring back the NES.
You're holding-out on us! I know it!
Hey i warned them and thanks to repeat it, it's nothing huge. (I didn't post it yet). Every time it seems people expect me to reveal the complete spec sheet, i don't know it, i have enough stressed it before
You're holding-out on us! I know it!
Smiles and Cries
Member
So Nintendo Ninjas have IdeaMan tied up now and floating a slice of Chicago Pizza under his nose to torture him?
I hope it has extra cheese I like extra cheese
good news comes in 3s
Legend of Korra
Kid Icarus Uprising's ending credits
IdeaMan to escape from Nintendo Ninja's torture chambers of Chicago Pizza
so stay tuned... for the next exciting episode of IDEAMAN, same Idea Time, same Idea channel.
will wii say wow?
I hope it has extra cheese I like extra cheese
good news comes in 3s
Legend of Korra
Kid Icarus Uprising's ending credits
IdeaMan to escape from Nintendo Ninja's torture chambers of Chicago Pizza
so stay tuned... for the next exciting episode of IDEAMAN, same Idea Time, same Idea channel.
will wii say wow?
SolidSnakex
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I think Nintendo has NDA's in place to prevent a flood of announcements before E3. I know AC3 was announced recently, but that was already kind of announced at last years E3. It was probably best to get that out the way so that people didn't start speculating about them developing a different game for the system.
I'd expect Project Ogre to be on the Wii U since Kojima has made a big deal out of out of the multiplatform nature of the Fox Engine. Rising is a question mark because of Platinum. If it's going to release this year, then Konami has them on a pretty tight schedule. So it might just be an issue of them not being able to fit it in. But they could always outsource it.
Developers/publishers really don't have an excuse to not put their games on the Wii U. The power won't be an issue and the systems controller is traditional (aside from the screen), so they won't have to adapt a new control scheme to the game. I'll be curious to see whether or not they take advantage of the extra power or if they'll just dump some plain ports onto the system. For example, Black Ops 2 shouldn't run in sub-HD on the Wii U.
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