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Warhammer 40,000 |OT| In the Grim Darkness of the Community Forum There Is Only War
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Yeah most of the book is based around the Knights at Armageddon and the subsequent fallout when the Space Wolves basically go to war with the Inquisition over their treatment of the human survivors.
Our Spiritual Liege, Matt Ward.I remember how when they came out it was like not even normal space marines recuits cannot compare to a GK recruit! They are the super bestestest!
Here we go, found it:
"Each recruit must pass the six hundred and sixty six Rituals of Detestation, to prove that he is capable of withstanding horrors that would break even the greatest of 'normal' Space Marines."
"Space Marines who encounter them are telepathically scoured, while Imperial Guard regiments they fight beside are simply executed."
Oh really, so all those super heroic 'normal' SM don't even compare? Fuck off
I don't even know why I'm so angry
Edit: Found some more stuff!!
"Each Grey Knight name is actually a fragment of magical lore that acts in perfect opposition to the true name of a particular Daemon, making even a Grey Knight's name a deadly weapon."
I can't even....just why did GW make such try-hard "I'm the uberestestest" characters?
Seriously, Codex: Daemon Hunters was an awesome Codex. GKs were strong, but not broken, in terms of fluff and mechanics. Ward cranked them to 11.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Here's something I never really understood: If the Emperor (or the barely alive version of him) is required to maintain a psychic beacon that allows for warp travel then how do the other races cross interstellar space?
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Most of the time Orks probably just travel the Warp without really knowing were they're going, they're mainly just looking for a good fight. If they're boarded by Daemons when in the Warp, they'd probably welcome the scrap. Maybe their combined Orky willpower helps throw them out of the Warp somewhere where they'll have some fun.
Apparently there was a story somewhere about an Ork who accidentally travelled back in time a little bit - he killed himself so he could have 2 guns.
Apparently there was a story somewhere about an Ork who accidentally travelled back in time a little bit - he killed himself so he could have 2 guns.
Two of his favourite guns, to be exact.
Mr. Poolman
Member
How does the Ork willpower works? They power things with belief or something, right?
Deified Data
Banned
Well I bought it after seeing it had a decent rating on Amazon so I suppose I'll have to see for myself! So far, so good. Could have used another couple goings-over from an editor but I take it all BL books are like that.
Currently reading the first book of the Grey Knights omnibus and they're dying by the hundreds. They're Marty Stu's, sure, but if their sworn enemy is stronger than your average Ork or Chaos Marine you'd expect them to be stronger than your average Space Marine. Doesn't explain why the Imperium doesn't just outfit all of their Marines in anti-magic charms and shit though, lol. Rule of cool, I guess.
If you give an ork a piece of scrap metal and tell him it's a gun, it will shoot bullets. Also, red ork vehicles will go fasta because they believe they will.
The orks themselves don't realize this.
Nikodemos
Member
Pretty much, but it's something the Ork has to believe in (it's usually guns and vehicles). Also, the bigger the Ork, the more powerful the device(s) he can power with his belief. Same with numbers: the more Orks, the bigger, more powerful and more numerous the weaponry they can power becomes. Which is why the Waaagh! is so important to them. It's a giant virtual capacitor of willpower.
That Tyranid retcon about them not using warp travel was a terrible idea when they did it and might well get reconned back out again when the next codex gets released.
Narvhal's would be an enormous weakness for Hive Fleets, and restricting Nids to light speed would make no sense whatsoever. It'd also render Genestealer cults completely pointless.
Narvhal's would be an enormous weakness for Hive Fleets, and restricting Nids to light speed would make no sense whatsoever. It'd also render Genestealer cults completely pointless.
EsotericManiac
Member
this thread needs more painted figure gifs
just sayin'
just sayin'
so, in theory, orks are the most powerful force in the universe? how many people actually know of their ability?
I think everyone who has tried to salvage ork machinery after a battle and found it to be a bunch of rusted junk has an inkling.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
That's uh. That's pretty dumb actually. I like 'em better as just masters of throwing together shit to make crude weaponry.
Tinkerbell guns are pretty lame
It's not that they can bend reality completely to their whim, it's that they're all a bit psychic and that can be very powerful when there's a lot of them focused on a common goal.
The comment above that a lump will fire bullets if the ork believes it can is a bit of an exaggeration - orks wouldn't need Mekboyz if that were true. As a more "real" example, orks believe red vehicles go faster, and they do. This is partly because the Ork driving puts his foot down a bit more, but partly because the psychic powers displayed by the ork and other observing orks pulls power from warp space into real space and shunts the vehicle along slightly. Likewise, orks in leadership positions grow considerably larger - this is probably genetic, probably because big orks rise through the ranks as they hit people and probably because the psychic energy of the orks around them contribute psychic energy which their bodies can use to power additional body mass beyond what would normally be viable.
You should think of this as a bit of a bonus, rather than the explanation of all Ork technology. Orks have technology because Mekboys carry knowledge of how to build it, and they know because it's built into their genetic code as a legacy from a long dead strand of Orks, the Brain Boyz.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
I'm also pretty sure the psychic belief field thing is only a theory put forward in-universe by Ad Mech, unless something changed recently.
Da orks waz made fer two tings, fightin' an' winnin'
At least a part of the Imperium knows of this, but I have no idea about the other factions.
AbsolutBro
Member
I do recall a story about a Xenos Inquisitor (I think) working on a captured Ork Boy. Upon seeing that the Boy's slugga (pistol) was, essentially, a block of wood with a trigger and a barrel, he had a servitor return the gun to the Boy confident it was useless. The Boy promptly shot and killed the servitor.
Also, orks always win.
"Orks is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't loose neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"
Also, orks always win.
"Orks is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't loose neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"
Also I think it is a neat and hilarious way to explain the endless dakka that Ork shootas expend. I mean where do they get all the bullets from? They don't have any bullet factories pumping them out! But they come out of the guns because Orks believe that they'll come out of the guns.
Edit: Plus Ork tech is really the crappiest of all the factions too.
Edit: Plus Ork tech is really the crappiest of all the factions too.
LaserBuddha
Member
Well they've been around since I think as early as the Rogue Trader days. I don't think they are that crazy uber, they are just the cream of the crop of the cream of the crop that are chosen for the super secret black ops missions, just like in real life. There are probably senior members in each normal Space Marine chapter that are better warriors than baseline Grey Knights. As skilled and well-equipped as they are, in game terms a Space Marine is right in the middle of the pack in terms of powerful infantry, and the GKs are just above them. Even in fluff, a Space Marine is only The Best Warrior in the Galaxy in a strictly human context.
Btw I just received my Raven Guard variant Space Marine codex and it is beautiful (and big)!
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
i thought the orks were made by that old race before the eldar to fight the tyranids and ctan/necrons. I though in theory if they united like the imperium everyone would be overrun by the ork hordes and the Waaaaaaaaaaaaagh!
Yeah, the orks were made by the Old Ones. To fight and win. Too bad they died before coding in the enemy, so the only thing stopping orks from running over everything is that they like to fight each other as well.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
I remember how when they came out it was like not even normal space marines recuits cannot compare to a GK recruit! They are the super bestestest!
Here we go, found it:
"Each recruit must pass the six hundred and sixty six Rituals of Detestation, to prove that he is capable of withstanding horrors that would break even the greatest of 'normal' Space Marines."
"Space Marines who encounter them are telepathically scoured, while Imperial Guard regiments they fight beside are simply executed."
Oh really, so all those super heroic 'normal' SM don't even compare? Fuck off
I don't even know why I'm so angry
Edit: Found some more stuff!!
"Each Grey Knight name is actually a fragment of magical lore that acts in perfect opposition to the true name of a particular Daemon, making even a Grey Knight's name a deadly weapon."
I can't even....just why did GW make such try-hard "I'm the uberestestest" characters?
From what I understand, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the first GKs were brought together right before the Emperor beamed up to Horus' ship. He requested a small group of people, sworn to the Emperium, who could withstand the temptation and corruption of chaos. This small group of people were the founding fathers of the Inquistion and the Grey Knights. What I also remember was that the GKs of infused with the geen seed of the Emperor himself. Not from a Primarch or a Primarch's 4 cousin removed, or some shit like that. Malcador the Stigalite was the one who gathered this group together. I thought that I read some where that he was responsible for hiding Saturn's moon Titan in the warp, stalked with everything needed to rebuild humanity in case humanity had all but been eraticated. That includes the Emperor's geen seed.
Not neccessarily. Orks are kunning, such as tellyportas.
I don't see why Orks wouldn't have factories making bullets. What do you think the grots do before the Waaaagh? Most of them are probably knicked from the Imperium anyway (and if they're bolter rounds not much than a block of wood with a trigger on it and a bit of psychic fire to trigger the round is actually required to make it fire anyway...)
It has been strongly hinted that the Grey Knights were founded by Nathaniel Garro at the requested of Malcador. Titan was hidden in the warp during the siege of Terra so the first Grey Knights didn't fight take part in the battle.
Eldar Aspect Warriors, Dark Eldar Wyches, and Tyranid Broodlords to name a few.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I remember how when they came out it was like not even normal space marines recuits cannot compare to a GK recruit! They are the super bestestest!
Here we go, found it:
"Each recruit must pass the six hundred and sixty six Rituals of Detestation, to prove that he is capable of withstanding horrors that would break even the greatest of 'normal' Space Marines."
"Space Marines who encounter them are telepathically scoured, while Imperial Guard regiments they fight beside are simply executed."
Oh really, so all those super heroic 'normal' SM don't even compare? Fuck off
I don't even know why I'm so angry
Edit: Found some more stuff!!
"Each Grey Knight name is actually a fragment of magical lore that acts in perfect opposition to the true name of a particular Daemon, making even a Grey Knight's name a deadly weapon."
I can't even....just why did GW make such try-hard "I'm the uberestestest" characters?
It all sounds pretty fan wanky, but executing entire regiments because a GK fought with them?
That's not even consistent with the universe. The Emperor would not be pleased to see his soldiers thrown away so.
Blood is the Emperors currency. Spend it well.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
i think the being the best warriors in the galaxy was more because the space marines were the most adaptable battle unit, so you could have devastator squads, tactical, death watch, grey knights, chaplains, assault marines, honor guard, sternguard, the list goes on, when the normal shit doesnt work they would adapt and get a new tactic. Their ability = win, and over years of war and untold numbers of engagements they chronicle all the combat prowess of all the other foes. They are indeed a special forces unit, the main force is the Imperial Guard. So for the purpose of pulling off special missions they are the best...what do they lack? Something extremely specialized and specific?
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
That's very consistant with the 40k universe. Being a citizen of the imperium sucks harder than Jenna Jameson on pay day.
AbsolutBro
Member
It actually is consistent with the universe. Keep in mind that the Emperor also didn't want to be worshipped at all, and yet now we have the God-Emperor of Mankind and his church. Many parts of the way the Imperium currently operates would be against the Emperor's actual wishes.
My little Zael's all grown up. :')
Exactly. That is the sad irony of the Imperium.
Everything the Emperor fought for has either been lost or buried on a sea of bureaucratic bullshit.
As evil as they are. The Choas Space Marines and the other followers of Choas are in a way much more forward thinking than their loyalist counterparts.
Good thing the Emperor is mostly-dead and the tools who rule in his name don't care!
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Most of the technology hasn't even progressed as it's looked upon as possibly heretical. It's an arrested culture.
LaserBuddha
Member
They were tricked into joining Chaos. They turned traitor to avoid a vision of the future that was the result of them turning traitor. Chaos cares not for them, even Nurgle. The very second they are no longer useful as they are, they are cast aside. Say what you want about the callous nature of the Imperium, but they act always to protect and preserve their own species. The champions of the traitor legions, even the Primarchs who received the gift of Daemonhood lost all of their previous motivations and identity, and are just subservient goons acting out the will of Chaos (this is why Abbadon has declined being a Daemon Prince).
Chaos Space Marines are the biggest joke in the galaxy. They are the guys who cash checks sent them by Nigerian Princes and send back some of the money.
Hah this made me laugh.
It is true that Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows.
Lies. Grandpa Nurgle loves all of his followers.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Nurgle is, like, 300% more caring and loving than the Emprah.
Granted his love may be of a different, icky kind, but love is love.
Granted his love may be of a different, icky kind, but love is love.
Are you talking about the Lectitio Divinitatus' rise--and the perceived tepid response to it by the Imperium--or something else? Their reasons always seemed relatively diverse to me, albeit comically childish at times. (e.g. DADDY ABANDONED US AND WENT HOME WITHOUT SAYING WHY, in the case of Mortarion and Fulgrim.)
Deified Data
Banned
Any recommendations on good books to read from the Chaos perspective?
Void Stalker, Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver are a trilogy about a Night Lords warband. Not your typical "hurr chaos chaos blood main kill", but a bunch of renegades trying to survive a garbage galaxy.
Worth reading into the various Horus Heresy books that cover the traitor legions. The First Heretic in particular is a fun read.
LaserBuddha
Member
It all happens because Horus is shown a dystopian vision of the future where the Emperor is venerated as a god, and primarchs like Horus are forgotten or vilified. It is a vision of the current 40k universe. Having just been "abandoned" by the Emperor who had to return to Terra to work on the golden throne, he is led to believe that this is the future the Emperor is trying to create. He rebels to stop this, but it is his rebellion that makes it happen in the first place. Erebus of the Word Bearers did this IIRC which is why Erebus is the biggest dick in 30k.
The emperor on the other hand, genuinely works to uplift the human race, despite what some of he above posters would have you believe because they are confused by his dispassionate and pragmatic attitude. The emperor eliminated religion because it weakened the human race, and expressly forbade that he be worshipped as a god. Horus was so jealous with his suspicion that the Emperor will try to take credit from him, that he made a martyr of the Emperor and turned the Emperor into the religious figure that neither of them wanted.