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Ninja Scooter

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DarienA said:
I think that's his gameplay, one or two years away and either of them should have built up bigger enough names to make the payday worth it for him.
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Hopefully Floyd hasn't lost a step by then though.
 
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Stoney Mason

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To take roughly 2 years off in your prime (without it being forced like some other boxers) would be asinine. I doubt he will do that although with him who knows...
 
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Blackface

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Floyd has no choice but to take a break now.

He has two match ups that make sense. Paul Williams and Cotto.

If he fights Cotto now it will be a HUGE fight, with tons of people watching. However Cotto is just not ready for Floyd, he has a chance of winning but could use at least one or two more fights.

Paul Williams is not a huge name. However, Paul has the best chance of beating Floyd out of anyone around that weight. He might not be well known but he is a monster. The problem for Floyd here is, the fight would not be a huge draw by any means and he has a big chance of losing to an unknown fighter.

If he takes a break ,it allows paul to get a bigger name and Cotto to get one or two more wins.
 
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Shawnwhann

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Excellent finish to a relatively boring fight card. All props to Mayweather for taking out a super determined and scrappy fighter in Hatton. Those knockdowns by Mayweather were incredible!!
 
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Ash_69

Member
I agree that knock downs were near on perfect. It pains me to say it but Mayweather showed his class.
Me and 6 other mates all bundled round mine to watch this at 4 in the morning whilst eating cold pizza shouting expletives at the TV for most of the fight.:lol It was great even though our boy didn't win though everyone was getting so pissed off at that retard ref at the beginning of the fight. He wasn't allowing ANYTHING and breaking shit up when it wasn't necessary. That probably hurt Hattons chances though to use that as an excuse is lame, he probably would of lost either way.
 
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Ripclawe

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gollumsluvslave

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I am stunned that Joe has finally been given his due from the british public - say what you
want about his personality, but Joe is long overdue this kind of recognition.

Amazing champ, and a better person.

:D Congrats to Joe :D

:D So well deserved :D
 
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Ash_69

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Yep, glad Joe won. Infact, I would of rated the top 3 exactly the same way. I really like Hatton, he was taking the defeat really well and he was almost crying yesterday when talking about the support. Imo, this defeat changes nothing for him, losing against the best pound for pound fighter in the world doesn't discredit him in any way, he'll still get the big fights he deserves and i'm sure he'll be bloodin' em up again in no time.

Edit: Amir's sheer punching power and speed is frightening. He'll be one of the greats no doubt.
 
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cthoaa

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Ninja Scooter said:
the ring post climbed to 4th place on Ring Magazine's pound for pound list.
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4. Ring Post USA 1-0 (1 KO)

This punch landed in the eighth round and in the same corner, too. And though it was a bit more upright and didn't land as clean, it left Ricky in the corner for Floyd to just open up.
 
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oneHeero

Member
gollumsluvslave said:
Hopkins taunting 'white' Calzaghe:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7133862.stm



:lol Could you imagine the uproar if Joe had said this the other way round :lol

Really hope this fight happens. Currently looking like Joe may fight Winky Wright in April, then Hopkins in the summer.
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I am not racist, but black people always say stuff like that and its ok, but when another race says that, its all hell breaks loose.

I really hope that fight happens.
 
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cthoaa

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As Hopkins loves boxing history and openly acknowledges Hagler, I think he's just playing off of when UK's Minter said of US's Hagler before their fight, "A black man will never take my belt." Hopkins has always seen his career like Hagler's -- unappreciated -- and I think he's just trying to drum up attention for another US-UK fight. He's done stuff like it before, once inciting a riot in Puerto Rico by throwing down their flag in Roberto Clemente @ a press conference w/ Tito. I dunno. It's good Calazghe's dismissing it as Hagler did and terms are (if you believe Golden Boy's Richard Schaeffer) settled at 50-50.

Funny pic from the weigh-in:

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Dark Octave

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Ripclawe said:
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Wow! He looks like he's about 55 years old right there. How often does someone know exactly what they're gonna look like in the future. Mayweather showed him that future, and then put him to sleep.
 
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DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
oneHeero said:
I am not racist, but black people always say stuff like that and its ok, but when another race says that, its all hell breaks loose.
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Generalize much?
 
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cthoaa

Member
Compubox can register their punches a little funny, but it's not surprising to see Floyd on top.

Juan Diaz, too, is quite apart from the rest. Obviously, he's very accurate w/ his punches, but I don't think of him as someone whose defense makes his opponents miss.

Arce in last place? Not so surprising. :lol

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cthoaa

Member
The Ring updated their ratings.

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Wayne Elcock fell off the middleweight chart after losing to #2 middleweight Arthur Abraham. DUDDY takes his place, debuting @ number ten after a points win over Howard Eastman.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. retained the Ring welterweight championship after his kayo victory over Ricky Hatton. Hatton is still the jr. welterweight champion.

Amir Khan debuted on the lightweight chart @ number eight following his stoppage of Graham Earl. Zahir Raheem moved down a slot.

The pound-for-pound chart was unaffected by the weekend's results.


The Ring's Middleweight Ratings for period ending December 9

C. Kelly Pavlik USA 32-0 (29)
1. Winky Wright USA 51-4-1 (25)
2. Arthur Abraham GER2 25-0 (20)
3. Jermain Taylor USA 27-1-1 (17)
4. Felix Sturm GER 28-2-1 (12)
5. Javier Castillejo ESP 61-7 (41)
6. Sebastian Sylvester GER 27-2 (12)
7. Amin Asi****en FIN 22-1 (15)
8. Randy Griffin USA 24-1-3 (12)
9. Raymond Joval NED 37-4 (16)
10. John Duddy GBR 23-0 (17)


The Ring's Welterweight Ratings for period ending December 9

C. Floyd Mayweather USA 39-0 (25)
1. Miguel Cotto PUR 31-0 (25)
2. Paul Williams USA 33-0 (24)
3. Shane Mosley USA 44-5 (37)
4. Antonio Margarito MEX 35-5 (25)
5. Zab Judah USA 36-5 (25)
6. Kermit Cintron PUR 29-1 (27)
7. Luis Collazo USA 27-3 (13)
8. Joshua Clottey GHA 32-2 (19)
9. Jackson Bonsu BEL 26-1 (23)
10. Oktay Urkal GER 38-4 (12)


The Ring's Lightweight Ratings for period ending December 9

C. Joel Casamayor CUB 35-3-1 (21)
1. Juan Diaz MEX 33-0 (17)
2. David Diaz USA 33-1-1 (17)
3. Jose Santa Cruz MEX 25-3 (14)
4. Julio Diaz USA 34-4 (25)
5. Nate Campbell USA 31-5-1 (25)
6. Michael Katsidis AUS 23-0 (20)
7. Yuri Romanov BLR 20-2 (13)
8. Amir Khan GBR 15-0 (12)
9. Zahir Raheem USA 28-2 (16)
10. Anthony Peterson USA 24-0 (17)


The Ring's Pound for Pound Ratings for period ending December 9

1. Floyd Mayweather USA, welterweight
2. Manny Pacquiao PHI, jr. lightweight
3. Juan Manuel Marquez MEX, jr. lightweight
4. Bernard Hopkins USA, light heavyweight
5. Joe Calzaghe GBR, super middleweight
6. Israel Vazquez MEX, jr. featherweight
7. Miguel Cotto PUR, welterweight
8. Ricky Hatton GBR, jr. welterweight
9. Winky Wright USA, middleweight
10. Rafael Marquez MEX, jr. featherweight
 
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cthoaa

Member
Loser Hatton is a £20m winner

RICKY HATTON is in line for a whopping £20MILLION pay day following his epic fight with Floyd Mayweather.

The ****** was KO’d in the 10th round of their WBC welterweight title bout.

But the first defeat of his 44-fight career will be cushioned as the cash generated by the Las Vegas showdown is reaching mind-boggling proportions after it shattered Sky’s pay-per-view record.

Hatton, 29, was already in line to pocket a career-high purse of £4m.

Sky are refusing to comment but the previous record of 750,000 sales, set when Lennox Lewis beat Mike Tyson in June 2002, has been beaten by about 150,000.

Hatton’s team shrewdly negotiated a package with Sky that he would get a percentage of every PPV buy above 350,000.

Early estimates indicate the final figure will be at least 2½ times greater than that — around 900,000 — making Hatton one of the best-paid boxers of all time.

Hatton’s dad, Ray, is also his manager and insisted on keeping the UK TV rights.

And that has turned out to be one of the best bits of business the Manchester fighter has ever done — and now means he has hit the very-big time.

The figures for money generated by the clash are being revised ‘up’ every day and the final total is now heading towards the dizzying £70m mark.

American broadcasters HBO are so delighted with the ‘Hatton factor’ they have already told Hatton snr they want to sit down at the earliest possible date to discuss his son’s next fight.

Pay-per-view figures in the United States are expected to top 1.5m sales, which will bring in £41.25m.

Tickets to watch the fight live at Vegas’ 16,000-capacity MGM Garden Arena were snapped up within 30 minutes of going on sale and had cash tills ringing to the tune of another £5m.

On the black market, ringside seats were being offered for a staggering £8,000, while ‘ordinary’ seats were fetching £750.

Other casino-hotels along the Las Vegas strip screened the fight on CCTV and EVERY one of the 21,000 tickets were bought by punters.

Fanatical Manchester City fan Hatton is now a huge box office attraction all over the world.

In China alone an estimated 50 MILLION people tuned in to watch the fight.
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Not sure how much Mayweather is getting as co-promoter to go along w/ his purse, but if these numbers hold, Hatton's PPV percentage from Sky could push his net from this fight above Floyd's.
 
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cthoaa

Member
Mayweather-Hatton pay-per-view a smashing success

Mayweather's 10th-round knockout of England's Ricky Hatton to retain the welterweight championship Dec. 8 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas generated a whopping 850,000 domestic pay-per-view buys and $47 million in television revenue, HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said Monday.
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The fight also capped a record-breaking year for HBO PPV, Taffet said. Its eight boxing events sold 4.8 million units and generated $255 million.

That breaks the 1999 record of 4 million buys and $200 million.
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Good number, but way, way less than the numbers that were floating about prior the fight. (1.0-1.5 million domestic)
 
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cthoaa

Member
jasonbay said:
When is there going to be matchups of Showtime again? and isn't there matchup usually on HBO?
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I think both networks are done for the year. Showtime has a Peterson brother fighting on ShoBox in early January. That's followed by Malignaggi-Ngoujo the next night on the 5th. HBO starts w/ the RJJ-Tito PPV on the 19th, followed by Povetkin-Chambers the next week on World Championship Boxing.
 
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cthoaa

Member
On the Mancheter Evening News site:

Hatton's letter to the fans

18/12/2007

Dear M.E.N. readers,

I moved up in weight to challenge the man quite rightly regarded as the best pound for pound fighter in the world Floyd Mayweather Junior.

This was the third time this year that I have fought in Las Vegas and two years since I last fought in England. Each fight has seen more and more Brits travel across the Atlantic for what can only described as an amazing journey and the journey is still not over.

For the fight 30,000 people invaded the city of Las Vegas, 7,000 fans turned up inside the arena for the weigh in and as many again were unable to gain entry. A capacity crowd of 16,000 watched the fight live, and thousands watched on closed circuit television screens throughout Las Vegas.

Every where I went in Las Vegas I saw Brits laughing and joking in their “Fatty’s gonna get you T shirts”. I was stopped in the street by people who just wanted to wish me well and offer their support both British and American alike. It even rained on the day of the weigh in and with so many Brits just for a moment it felt like I was back home in Manchester.

The fight did not go the way I had hoped and planned for and I was stopped in the 10th round. Throughout the fight the crowd could be heard singing there’s only one Ricky Hatton, even in defeat their support did not waver. Amazing.

Following the fight, Floyd put his arms around me and we shared some kind words and a mutual respect that only boxing can bring. It was nice of Floyd to say that I had given him his toughest fight and that the British fans made it a memorable night to remember.

It’s not easy losing when you set your goals so high but throughout my journey one thing has been the consistent, the support of my fans. Given the choice of all the belts in the world or the support of the fans, the fans support will always come first. I can say with all honesty that I have the best fans in the world.

This Christmas I will spend time with my family and I will take a long deserved holiday before going back into the gym in the New Year.

I have no doubt that I will be back in the ring as I am still the undisputed Light welterweight World champion. I have spoken with my Dad and we both agree that the time is right and we would like to repay the fans loyalty with a fight in this country.

And so at this time of year I would like to wish you and your families a Happy Christmas God bless you all and I will look forward to seeing you in the New Year. Thank you so much for your support.

Ricky
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Acc. to them, Malignaggi's the favorite w/ Junior Witter an outsider as his next opponent.

Paulie Malignaggi: Calls Out Ricky Hatton (YouTube)
 
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cthoaa

Member
Sky Box Office estimates UK purchases of Mayweather-Hatton 1.0-1.2 million
The Ricky Hatton-Floyd Mayweather WBC welterweight showdown 11 days ago in Las Vegas will break all Sky Box Office pay-per-view records in the UK, with estimates as high as 1.2 million buys.
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For the first time in ppv boxing history, this event will return more UK pay-per-view buys than in the USA. There were 850,000 domestic pay-per-view buys Stateside, representing $47 million US dollars in television revenue.
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HBO Boxing 2007 Year in Review (YouTube)
Montage recapping this year's boxing events on HBO.
 
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cthoaa

Member
Sampling of the year-end honors from different publications:

Ring Magazine:

Fighter of the Year: Floyd Mayweather
Fight of the Year: Israel Vazquez KO 6 Rafael Marquez II
Round of the Year: Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez II, Round 3
Knockout of the Year: Nonito Donaire KO 5 Vic Darchinyan
Upset of the Year: Nonito Donaire KO 5 Vic Darchinyan
Comeback of the Year: Paul Malignaggi
Event of the Year: Floyd Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya


Yahoo! Sports Kevin Iole:

Fighter of the Year: Miguel Cotto
Fight of the Year: Israel Vazquez TKO6 Rafael Marquez, Aug. 4, Hidalgo, Texas
Trainer of the Year: Enzo Calzaghe


ESPN's Dan Rafael:

Fighter of the Year: Floyd Mayweather
Round of the Year: Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez II (third)
KO of the Year: Darnell Wilson KO11 Emmanuel Nwodo
Prospect of the Year: Amir Khan
Trainer of the Year: Enzo Calzaghe
Manager of the Year: Cameron Dunkin
Upset of the Year: Nonito Donaire KO5 Vic Darchinyan
Robbery of the Year: Joel Casamayor W12 Jose Armando Santa Cruz
Event of the Year: Floyd Mayweather Jr. v. Oscar De La Hoya
Division of the Year: Welterweight
Promoter of the Year: Top Rank and Golden Boy (draw)


MaxBoxing.com Steve Kim's K-9 Awards

Fighter of the Year: Kelly Pavlik
Round of the Year: Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez II (rd.3)
Prospect of the Year: James Kirkland
Trainer of the Year: Jack Loew
Promoter of the Year: Top Rank
Fight of the Year: Israel Vazquez TKO 6 Rafael Marquez II
Knockout of the Year: Nonito Donaire TKO5 Vic Darchinyan
Manager of the Year: Cameron Dunkin
Upset of the Year: Donaire TKO5 Darchinyan
Comeback of the Year: HBO Boxing


New York Daily News' Tim Smith:

Fighter of the Year: Floyd Mayweather
Trainer of the Year: Enzo Calzaghe
Fight of the Year: Kelly Pavlik-Jermain Taylor
 
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gollumsluvslave

Member
Also, both Trinidad an RJJ gunning for Calzaghe after their upcoming contest:-

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_3051975,00.html
He said: "Calzaghe's busy and that's why I know Hopkins won't beat him because Hopkins doesn't have knockout power.


"To beat Joe, you're going to have to knock him out. He's far too busy to go 12 rounds and expect to get a decision (against him), especially in Wales.


"That's why I say it doesn't matter where you go to fight him, because you've got to knock him out wherever you go.


"I've got to knock him out but Hopkins doesn't have the power to knock him out. That's why he doesn't want to go over there and fight and I don't blame him. But I'll take the gamble."
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Interesting that RJJ thinks Joe will beat BHop.

And Trinidad:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_3047779,00.html

Joe finally in demand :lol
 
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Relix

he's Virgin Tight™
Trinidad vs. Jones begins in a couple hours, wanna bet on who's gonna win?

I bet $50 that Trinidad wins (and I really bet that in "real" life).
 
puebla

puebla

Member
i'm having a tough time calling this one. roy could outbox him but i have a feeling tito's gonna land a big left hook and finish roy.
 
puebla

puebla

Member
wow, andrew golota and mike mollo just fought a great fight. i'm happy andrew didn't do anything crazy. his left eye looks like a swollen vagina.:lol
 
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Grecco

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Relix said:
Trinidad vs. Jones begins in a couple hours, wanna bet on who's gonna win?

I bet $50 that Trinidad wins (and I really bet that in "real" life).
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should have just sent me the money same thing, insta loss. Tito is going to get smacked
 
puebla

puebla

Member
fight's over. the first 3 rounds looked competitive but roy started dominating from the 4th round on. he knocked tito down in the 7th and 10th round (10th round knockdown was more tito being off balance). it's time for tito to hang em up. he was a beast in his prime and i'll be sad to see him go. adios tito :/
 
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Relix

he's Virgin Tight™
Holy shit Trinidad took an EPIC beating. First 3 rounds? AWESOME! Afterwards? Erm. Round 7? How the fuck did he get hit and wait 2 seconds to fall? And that Round 10 fall was pathetic.

All is not lost... I didn't lose all my sweet money =P. 50 on Trinidad and 25 on Jones (on some other place) so not everything is lost lol. Oh well... it was nice knowing you Tito, now its time to really retire.

By the way, weren't they VERY friendly? Especially at the final rounds and the finale. They were soooo happy that it looked fishy. Oh well, it was a better fight than I expected.
 
The Faceless Master

The Faceless Master

Member
Relix said:
Holy shit Trinidad took an EPIC beating. First 3 rounds? AWESOME! Afterwards? Erm. Round 7? How the fuck did he get hit and wait 2 seconds to fall? And that Round 10 fall was pathetic.

All is not lost... I didn't lose all my sweet money =P. 50 on Trinidad and 25 on Jones (on some other place) so not everything is lost lol. Oh well... it was nice knowing you Tito, now its time to really retire.

By the way, weren't they VERY friendly? Especially at the final rounds and the finale. They were soooo happy that it looked fishy. Oh well, it was a better fight than I expected.
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watch his knees in the 7th round knockdown, they were totally buckled, and he was basically teetering for 2 seconds...

the fight was great though!
 
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Relix

he's Virgin Tight™
The Faceless Master said:
watch his knees in the 7th round knockdown, they were totally buckled, and he was basically teetering for 2 seconds...

the fight was great though!
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It totally caught me off guard. I swear, I saw a punch fine... then he just fell. I was like WTF HAPPENED THERE. Its true though, the punch was so perfect when I saw the replay that I was very surprised. You could see his legs just breaking apart. Still, it was a great fight, only cost me 5 bucks to watch with some friends.

I am from Puerto Rico.... and I really think Tito should retire FOREVER. The next hope? Cotto. He has the smarts, something Tito is sorely lacking. Tito has power and speed, but his chin is like a crystal and he's really dumb. Why the hell can't he set up some kind of defense? Same thing happened with Winky. As I said... Cotto has the smarts, has speed and is developing power. His chin is kinda weak, but its getting better each fight.

So, Tito... hang em up.
 
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