Colonel Nasty
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BP is gonna be a great lead in for IW the way WW will be for JL.
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Which super team movie will have the higher B.O numbers?
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IndoAssassin
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...ailure-in-the-eyes-of-hollywood/#3169e9bc7e3a
It's speculation but Disney never came forward to claim the contrary.
Disney didn't think that AoU was a failure. Some people on GAF =/= Disney
Foreign currencies tanked about 6 months before AoU came out. It would have ended up about on par with the first Avengers had exchange rates remained at their previous levels, with overseas making up for the domestic drop. Age of Ultron was still the second (now third) biggest Disney film of all time worldwide. It was also the second biggest Disney film of all time domestically for a bit, but Disney has since had a pretty stellar run of films.
As for the Infinity War production budget being $500M, that's bullshit. Perhaps with marketing.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Mendelsson is citing an editorial by fuckin' Rich Johnston of Bleeding Cool there.
And even if you wanna give Johnston secondhand credit for being a box-office analyst (and you don't) the headline of Mendelsson's article asks about disappointment, not failure.
Nothing that Marvel's done has even approached the level of failure.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Can we be sure about black panther? I realize people want it to succeed because of the diversity thing, but it doesn't automatically make it a good movie and we won't truly know until it gets praise like WW or close
So about 1.3b ww? 500/800? Seems pretty reasonable.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yes, we can be sure about Black Panther.
Are you doubting it because you believe the only reason anyone wants it to succeed is the diversity thing
Imperfected
Member
I mean, you can't be sure of anything until the cards are all on the table, but it does seem like Black Panther's development has been far less troubled than most other recent superhero films. That's a pretty good sign.
CaviarMeths
Member
Neither movie is out yet and you've already moved the goalposts to "but JL will be considered more successful even though it made $300m less." And you're already trying to spin a $1.4b movie as a failure.
So yeah, this isn't a trend. It's a narrative.
2015 was also a fluke in terms of top end box office, which convinced some people that $1.4B wasn't a very big achievement, despite it being good for #7 of all time after TFA passed Age of Ultron.
Two years later, we're (probably) looking at one additional film hitting that mark by the end of 2017.
The Driver
Member
IW will gross more no doubt but I don't think it gets much more than the OG Avengers if it even manages to beat that. People will turn up in droves for the opening weekend but unless the film is insanely good and has great rewatch value I don't see it taking off much more than A1. There just isn't many more people who want to see IW that haven't seen any other Avengers movies I'm guessing.
The reception to the DCEU tells me though that people want strong female characters and also something different, regardless of the quality not always being there. That being said even if JL turns out to be DC's Avengers moment it won't get to have its legs since TLJ will wreck shit the next month.
The reception to the DCEU tells me though that people want strong female characters and also something different, regardless of the quality not always being there. That being said even if JL turns out to be DC's Avengers moment it won't get to have its legs since TLJ will wreck shit the next month.
The odds of sun rising from the west are higher than JL outgrossing IW.
I'll bet that it'll clear 1B overseas or be very close to it. In other words, it'll top AoU WW gross.
IndoAssassin
Banned
ok you win I lose, I was purposefully pushing some bs fanboy narrative rather than just asking questions.
Colonel Nasty
Member
The sheer amount of pedigree and talent involved make it as close as you can to a sure thing. Well quality wise. Whether or not it's a box office hit remains to be seen but no MCU movie was been a "failure" and I don't see why BP will be one.
I don't think Disney really cares to comment on every article supported by nothing more than speculation. Were they supposed to release a statement stating that AoU was not a failure?
WaterAstro
Member
Watch the JL trailer and I have no idea what's good about the other three members.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Wait..no poll?
CaviarMeths
Member
No wait, you haven't even gotten to the part yet where you say that Justice League has already earned a profit because of product placement deals.
Sorry I'll stop.
Why can't we, have you not seen the talent behind it? It'd be weird to say that this would be the one MCU movie that finally shits the bed.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fuck, have you not seen the trailer
You think the only reason people want Black Panther to succeed is because of diversity?
broncobuster
Banned
One thing I'll give Justice League vs Infinity War, is that the gap in the domestic gross will relatively smaller than the international, with Infinity War ahead.
Obliterator
Member
I don't see any of the next 3 Marvel films being bad / poor. Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Infinity War all look varying degrees of awesome from their trailers and there is tons of proven talent involved in all 3 of them. It would be a shock to see any of those in particular suddenly turn into a dud
Its a coin toss. If Synder learned his lesson from MOS/BVS and left Whedon with a good movie to polish then I think JL could do better than IW. At the end of the day more people like Batman/Womder Woman and Superman than most of the MCU heroes (on paper).
It's DC's battle to lose. They have all there famous legacy characters while the MCU has been doing well building up there no names.
Here's the only scenario I see IW making more than JL. Both Thor and Black Panther have to great and JL has to be a complete train wreck( which I don't think it will.)
It's DC's battle to lose. They have all there famous legacy characters while the MCU has been doing well building up there no names.
Here's the only scenario I see IW making more than JL. Both Thor and Black Panther have to great and JL has to be a complete train wreck( which I don't think it will.)
Dash_Riprock
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OP you might as well be asking if Ronda Rousey can defeat Mayweather in a fight...
Bobby Roberts
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
JL will probably be the highest grossing DCEU film, but it won't top Infinity War. There's far too much baggage and Wonder Woman isn't going to singlehandedly wipe that out. Even if it could, if opening weekend comes and it's shit again, you're just going to see another massive opening with legs collapsing before the weekend even ends, just like BvS. And people are overselling the hype of the "first DCEU team-up". It's not. That already happened. They got Bats, Supes, and Wondy on screen together like 18 months ago and blew it, hard. Throwing in Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg is going to be way less of a splash than "Guardians of the Galaxy meet the Avengers" anyway.
Neither of them are coming close to TFA though. Anyone thinking that shit is maximum crazy.
While Age of Ultron declined pretty significantly in the US, worldwide it was up. The only reason Ultron grossed less was because of a much stronger US dollar, so the local the international gains got wiped out by unfavorable currency conversions.
Edit: Ooops, scrolled right past Kswis.
Neither of them are coming close to TFA though. Anyone thinking that shit is maximum crazy.
While Age of Ultron declined pretty significantly in the US, worldwide it was up. The only reason Ultron grossed less was because of a much stronger US dollar, so the local the international gains got wiped out by unfavorable currency conversions.
Edit: Ooops, scrolled right past Kswis.
Imperfected
Member
Most people really don't care about comic books.
They do care about the decades of work and billions of dollars that have gone into the lead-in to Infinity War, though. It's going to make it a mandatory cultural event, in the same way that Star Wars: The Phantom Menace was back in its own day and time. And, like the Phantom Menace, it will have an absolutely absurd box office gross relative to its quality when compared to other films in the series.
Seriously, we're talking about an event here, more than a movie. Much like Deathly Hallows 2 topped the other Harry Potter movies despite not really being the best of the bunch, and the Phantom Menace put all of our dumb asses in seats despite being certified damp ass, Infinity War is going to be the beneficiary of an absolutely absurd audience even if it's total trash.
Killer Queen
Banned
I'm really excited for Justice league
It's Infinity war though, not even a question
CaviarMeths
Member
Remember back a few years ago when people were seriously saying that Rousey should be put in the men's pool because she was way too dominant in the women's?
Good times...
I actually really curious how Thor and Justice League will fare so close together. Justice League will obviously make more money, but if the marketing and word of mouth for Thor is there, and isn't there for Justice league, I think the gap between the two movies will be a lot closer than expected 5 years ago.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think if Justice League wanted to go for broke, they'd have to drop this weird marketing gimmick of theirs and start putting Superman in the ads instead of pretending his appearance is a big fat mystery you have to go to the movie to get solved for you.
Civil War did this with Spidey to an extent.
Civil War did this with Spidey to an extent.
Remember when she thought she had a chance against Cain?
I'm still waiting for Disney to respond to my posts on AoU.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Justice League has a good shot at 1 billion but nowhere comparable to Infinity War.
I expect IW to be the best opening week debut for Super Hero movie but with average legs. 500 millions sounds possible with 1 billion worldwide.
Essentially the same as Avengers 1 with 1.5 billion worldwide.
I expect IW to be the best opening week debut for Super Hero movie but with average legs. 500 millions sounds possible with 1 billion worldwide.
Essentially the same as Avengers 1 with 1.5 billion worldwide.
WB is really going to surprise the 10 people who didn't watch BvS prior to JL.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You look at that Justice League thread and a lot of the DCEU's fans are dead set on working themselves into a place where it not being Clark is a real possibility.
Like, trying to eye-measure calf sizes & shit.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Still the only DCEU movie I haven't seen, and I have no idea if I'll ever bother before going into JL, lol.
Imperfected
Member
It's just an excuse to stare longingly at Supes' calves. Don't let it bother you.
Starfish Hero
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Justice League is going to have some momentum thanks to WW but I can't believe this forum is building up yet another Synder DC movie again. If Justice League is good I'll gladly eat crow but come on. It doesn't matter how vanilla Thor, Black Panther and Infinity War turn out, if they're all just decent JL is getting blown out the water.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They're beautiful calves.
So much so I don't know how people don't have their shape seared into memory.
Like I do.
TropicalFish
Member
Infinity War no question, both domestically and internationally.
The Driver
Member
I don't think it's necessarily a bad move. In all honesty, as a fan of the DCEU, I know a lot of people really don't dig this depiction of Superman so far so maybe a little bit of the whole "absence makes the heart grow fonder" is in store.
Supes is definitely the one showing up at the end, but I'm not so sure about the hologram. The caps flickers at one point and where the boot ends looks a lot more skin toned than whatever weird shade of blue it could possibly be. Supergirl would be a neat tease if only since the League is such a sausage fest right now.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
See
PhoncipleBone
Banned
We need to go back to analyzing Cavill's hairline.