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koam
(08-01-2007, 04:47 PM)
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I removed everything from first post because it was so damn dated.
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StoOgE
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(08-01-2007, 04:50 PM)
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:lol

Not that any of that is wrong, but its like you just stole page one of a series 7 study guide.
Tarazet
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(08-01-2007, 04:53 PM)
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Right now:

300 JOB @ $1.6499
5 KLAC @ $57.60

Just to put my toes in the water and see how the market is really.
alr1ght
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(08-01-2007, 04:56 PM)
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if anyone wants to "play" with the stock market, please do some paper trades first before investing real money.
koam
(08-01-2007, 04:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by sonarrat

Right now:

300 JOB @ $1.6499
5 KLAC @ $57.60

Just to put my toes in the water and see how the market is really.

Wow, I don't know how much commission you pay, but with the fees i pay, i'd need JOB to go up to $1.84 and KLAC to go up to $69.60 before i start making profit.

My last trade was yesterday. I sold off 300 shares of OLED at $11.65... I bought them at $5.55 :D
Tarazet
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(08-01-2007, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

Wow, I don't know how much commission you pay, but with the fees i pay, i'd need JOB to go up to $1.84 and KLAC to go up to $69.60 before i start making profit.

My last trade was yesterday. I sold off 300 shares of OLED at $11.65... I bought them at $5.55 :D

I pay $9.99 a trade. The KLAC is a long position just to speculate/learn, $300 is play money to me. JOB has already gained 5 cents since I bought it a half-hour ago, and if it gains another 2 I'll break even on it. :)
Cyan
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(08-01-2007, 05:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

Hot Stocks
Apple (AAPL) - Year start (~$83) - Current (~$131)
Nintendo (NTDOY) - Year start (~$33) - Current (~$58)
Amazon (AMZN) - Year start (~$40) - Current (~$76)
Ressearch in Motion - Blackberry (RIMM) - Year start (~$135) - Current (~$215)

"Hot" is code for "too expensive." I wouldn't recommend buying any of these stocks. And I agree that you should do paper trading before dipping your toes in the real thing.
mrWalrus
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(08-01-2007, 05:09 PM)
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I've been wondering why a thread like this didn't exist here for a while. I'll wait to see how things go before I get too participant but I'll start by suggesting MRVL. It's gotten beaten up badly over the last two days on the rumor Apple was cutting down on their iPhone production.

Earnings should come out anywhere from Aug 15th - Sept 6th. Expect to see a run up into that time period. Stock trades at 17.60 as of this post. I would be extremely surprised if it doesn't hit 22.5 before years end.

Lastly, for those who like to play options. OIH (Oil Services ETF) is a monster, LOTS of money to be made there if you know your TA.
Flo_Evans
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(08-01-2007, 05:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by alr1ghtstart

if anyone wants to "play" with the stock market, please do some paper trades first before investing real money.

Is there a good site that can track all that stuff for you? I'd like to play around without any actual risks.
koam
(08-01-2007, 05:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyan

"Hot" is code for "too expensive." I wouldn't recommend buying any of these stocks. And I agree that you should do paper trading before dipping your toes in the real thing.

They're not "too expensive". These companies keep doing better and better and their stocks are reflecting that. It's much safer investing $5000 in these companies and getting fewer shares than investing in a sub $10 company and getting many more shares.

Is there a good site that can track all that stuff for you? I'd like to play around without any actual risks.

Most sites do that, I like using this yahoo widget named "XRStockGain" which let's you put your buy price and number of shares and it will tell you how much money you've made or lost.

I'll wait to see how things go before I get too participant but I'll start by suggesting MRVL

I dunno man, they almost got delisted from NASDAQ. Their past 6 months haven't been so hot either.
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mrWalrus
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(08-01-2007, 05:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

I dunno man, they almost got delisted from NASDAQ. Their past 6 months haven't been so hot either.


hah.. well they are all caught up with their financials now and everything is getting in order. They have a huge stake in the Hard Drive business (expect more pc's to sold in the 2nd half), they are getting more exposure into wi-fi products by the day (namely cellphones as in the iPhone and Blackberries), and their X-Scale apps processor powers all RIMM phones and is rumored to be the brains in the 2nd gen iPhone.

I like their chances especially on this today's pullback. I recently got out in the high 19's after averaging down to a cost basis of about 16.80 after the March collapse. I'm no pumper, just stating the facts and trying to help those who want to put some money in market make money.

Personally I would love to see a thread like this pinned up top and perhaps then with the combined knowledge of the board we can take some of the mysticism away from the market and those who are too scared to put a dime in the market can become savvy vets and start making some real money.
Cyan
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(08-01-2007, 06:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

They're not "too expensive". These companies keep doing better and better and their stocks are reflecting that. It's much safer investing $5000 in these companies and getting fewer shares than investing in a sub $10 company and getting many more shares.

Not too expensive in terms of the dollar amount of the shares, dude. Look at the P/Es. As a general rule, "hot" stocks are too expensive.
koam
(08-01-2007, 06:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyan

Not too expensive in terms of the dollar amount of the shares, dude. Look at the P/Es. As a general rule, "hot" stocks are too expensive.

Meh, I just bough 50 shares of NTDOY at $58.75

Aug-2007 50 NINTENDO CO LTD ADR -NEW
BUY -$29.00 -$2,966.50 :D
AstroLad
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(08-01-2007, 06:13 PM)
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Good article by Henry Blodget on the concept of "hot stocks" (esp. w/r/t magazine articles).

Originally Posted by slate

Ah, New Year's again, which means it's time for the investment media to remind us that there are fortunes to be made in the stock market—and time for nearly every financial media organization to produce some version of "10 Hot Stocks for 2007!"

. . . .

If your New Year's resolution was simply "rebalance my portfolio of low-cost index funds," you are displaying more investment wisdom than all of the magazines combined. Whatever you do, do not buy the 10 Stocks To Buy Now, at least not because you read about them in some magazine. If you want to buy the magazine, fine, just don't buy the stocks.

. . . .

[A]rticles touting "10 Stocks To Buy Now" invariably ignore transaction costs, which are one of the major differences between investing in the real world and investing in the you-too-can-be-Warren-Buffett dream world of the investment media. Transaction costs include not only brokerage commissions, but bid/ask spreads, taxes, research, and opportunity costs (what you sold or did not invest in to buy the 10 Stocks to Buy Now). Worrying about transaction costs is often considered wimpy ("Just pick ten-baggers, dude"), but they cripple returns. If some of those 10 Stocks to Buy Now do outperform the market, therefore—and some of them undoubtedly will from luck alone—they need to outperform it by more than the costs you will incur by buying and selling them.

. . . .

[I]n the hierarchy of intelligent-investing priorities, stock-picking is your least important consideration, not your most important. Regardless of how attractive the 10 Stocks to Buy Now sound, therefore, your overriding priority is to make sure you are adequately diversified. Before you even consider buying the 10 Stocks, therefore, you need to determine how adding them to your portfolio will affect its overall diversification and risk/reward profile. Will they make it more risky? Less? Will they increase the expected return? Decrease it? Will they increase the expected return enough to justify any added risk? If you don't know the answers to these questions, you won't be alone. Assessing a portfolio's risk/return profile is complicated enough that most pros buy fancy software to do it. If you're going to let a magazine pick stocks for you, you should get such software, too.

. . . .

Still, it's also no mystery why the magazines run variants of the 10 Hot Stocks articles every year, even though they contain terrible advice: because stock-picking is fun, because such headlines sell magazines, and because investor hope springs eternal.

http://www.slate.com/id/2158086/

Seriously, for most people it just comes down to how fun you find stock-picking vs. investment activities with equal or less risk that involve fewer opportunity costs.
Cyan
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(08-01-2007, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by AstroLad

Good article by Henry Blodget on the concept of "hot stocks" (esp. w/r/t magazine articles).

http://www.slate.com/id/2158086/

Seriously, for most people it just comes down to how fun you find stock-picking vs. investment activities with equal or less risk that involve fewer opportunity costs.

Great advice. Which is ironic, considering the source.
valparaiso
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(08-01-2007, 06:40 PM)
nice op, thanks.

can anyone link to one of those online practice thingies?
Flo_Evans
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(08-01-2007, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by valparaiso

nice op, thanks.

can anyone link to one of those online practice thingies?

I found this one that looks good, but to be honest I probably wouldn't know :lol

http://vse.marketwatch.com

I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time!
Cyan
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(08-01-2007, 06:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time!

That can be a fun game, but you wouldn't learn anything about investing.
Cheesemeister
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(08-01-2007, 06:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time!

If I recall, everyone who participated last time wound up in the red.
lil smoke
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(08-01-2007, 06:51 PM)
the only problem with paper stocks is that you make decisions that you wouldn't normally make, if you were using real money. But it probably is good for just learning the process.

I don't know much, but I would rather have a small amount of $$ ready to throw away... and play with that. I think I'd take it more seriously, and learn what it's like to lose real money.
Mii
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(08-01-2007, 07:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

I found this one that looks good, but to be honest I probably wouldn't know :lol

http://vse.marketwatch.com

I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time!

I'm definitely in. I've already been in a game there for a while and I'm up for starting another portfolio. Who wants to start it up?
Flo_Evans
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(08-01-2007, 07:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cheesemeister

If I recall, everyone who participated last time wound up in the red.

hmm yeah from my signing up till now I have already lost 10%! :lol

What about sites that allow for small investments? like say I have $500 to play with. What would a good site be for that level? I looked at some sites but they all wanted like $1000 to start an account. With my limited knowledge of the market I think I am better off paying off loans at this point instead of investing :lol

How is everyone feeling about the market today? I have been paying close attention since the drop friday. Is it going to pull out? more drops?

Also for the OP can you explain limit, stop and market orders? I think I know what they mean but I am not entirely sure.
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Tarazet
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(08-01-2007, 07:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

hmm yeah from my signing up till now I have already lost 10%! :lol

What about sites that allow for small investments? like say I have $500 to play with. What would a good site be for that level? I looked at some sites but they all wanted like $1000 to start an account. With my limited knowledge of the market I think I am better off paying off loans at this point instead of investing :lol

How is everyone feeling about the market today? I have been paying close attention since the drop friday. Is it going to pull out? more drops?

The credit market is depressing everything else and it's going to make the market very unpredictable in the near future. It might actually be a good time to look for grossly bubbled stocks and try to short sell them.
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(08-01-2007, 07:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by sonarrat

The credit market is depressing everything else and it's going to make the market very unpredictable in the near future. It might actually be a good time to look for grossly bubbled stocks and try to short sell them.

OK, short selling is basically playing the volatility right? Like if the stock is going up and down wildly you put in an order to buy if it dips below a certain point and to sell if it goes above a certain point?

I am trying more to find a good entry point into the market as I don't own any stocks. I got an extra $500 today and I am wondering what to do with it... I could buy some stocks, pay down high interest loans, put it in my savings account for a rainy day, or buy a hooker and some blow!
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duderon
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(08-01-2007, 07:54 PM)
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We need some option lovin in this thread. I'm just starting out with the help of my father and it's apparent that a lot of money can be made shorting options and stocks, although stocks are much more volatile in this situation.
Cyan
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(08-01-2007, 07:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

OK, short selling is basically playing the volatility right? Like if the stock is going up and down wildly you put in an order to buy if it dips below a certain point and to sell if it goes above a certain point?

I am trying more to find a good entry point into the market as I don't own any stocks. I got an extra $500 today and I am wondering what to do with it... I could buy some stocks, pay down high interest loans, put it in my savings account for a rainy day, or buy a hooker and some blow!

Are you asking for our advice? I'd suggest paying off some of your loan amount. With a high-interest loan, your rate of return will almost certainly beat the market.

I wouldn't recommend any real money investing until you've paid off any high-interest loans (basically, anything other than a mortgage or student loans), and have a small emergency cash reserve. Then you can start putting money into index funds. :)

Or you could pull a Nighttrain and buy a bunch of stock despite not really knowing anything about the market. Maybe it'll shoot up nearly 50%, like AAPL did right after he bought it. Who knows?

P.S. Shorting is selling stock you don't actually have, with a promise to buy the stock later. You are essentially betting that the stock will go down, and your buy-back price will be less than your selling price. If it does go down before you buy it back, you've made money.

Again, not recommended to someone new to investing. (are you seeing a pattern here? ;) )
mrWalrus
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(08-01-2007, 08:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

pay down high interest loans,

it's always best to pay yourself first.


Originally Posted by duderon

We need some option lovin in this thread. I'm just starting out with the help of my father and it's apparent that a lot of money can be made shorting options and stocks, although stocks are much more volatile in this situation.

Options are where the money is (made 45% on my OIH puts today).. before one gets started though they should read the difference between a call and a put and the difference between shorting the two. Basically you don't want to short a position you don't have covered. Which would be called a 'naked' call or put.

www.investopedia.com is an outstanding knowledge base.
AstroLad
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(08-01-2007, 08:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyan

Are you asking for our advice? I'd suggest paying off some of your loan amount. With a high-interest loan, your rate of return will almost certainly beat the market.

Yeah, paying off loans (anything other than low interest) and credit cards is great, especially when you consider that tax-adjusted it's the equivalent of getting a highly abnormal return in the market.
duderon
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(08-01-2007, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by mrWalrus

it's always best to pay yourself first.



Options are where the money is (made 45% on my OIH puts today).. before one gets started though they should read the difference between a call and a put and the difference between shorting the two. Basically you don't want to short a position you don't have covered. Which would be called a 'naked' call or put.

www.investopedia.com is an outstanding knowledge base.

Excellent, will start reading up!
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(08-01-2007, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by duderon

We need some option lovin in this thread. I'm just starting out with the help of my father and it's apparent that a lot of money can be made shorting options and stocks, although stocks are much more volatile in this situation.

Options are much more volatile than stocks, they're pure volatility plays when not used as hedging instruments. Option trading is much more complex than people make it out to be, but do to gearing/leverage you can earn a lot of money so it's glamorized to no end. Options are a zero sum game, for every person who makes a pretty penny, there's another losing that exact amount.

Flo, take Cyan's advice. Become debt free and look into Index funds, couldn't agree more with Cyan.
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Flo_Evans
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(08-01-2007, 08:18 PM)
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Ok I guess I will pay down some debt. Not as fun as calling my broker and yelling SELL SELL SELL in the phone but I need to get it down so I can buy a house and get in some real debt! :lol
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(08-01-2007, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

OK, short selling is basically playing the volatility right? Like if the stock is going up and down wildly you put in an order to buy if it dips below a certain point and to sell if it goes above a certain point?

I am trying more to find a good entry point into the market as I don't own any stocks. I got an extra $500 today and I am wondering what to do with it... I could buy some stocks, pay down high interest loans, put it in my savings account for a rainy day, or buy a hooker and some blow!

Short selling is a bet that the stock WILL go down, i.e. if it goes up, you lose money. Basically, you borrow the stock (usually from someone who bought it on margin and is hence actually borrowing it anyway). Then you immediately sell it at the market price. Then at some point in the future, you buy it back at the new (hopefully lower) market price, give it back to its owner and pocket the difference.
koam
(08-01-2007, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

Ok I guess I will pay down some debt. Not as fun as calling my broker and yelling SELL SELL SELL in the phone but I need to get it down so I can buy a house and get in some real debt! :lol

Umm, why on earth would you call a broker? it's so much cheaper over the internet.
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Originally Posted by koam

Umm, why on earth would you call a broker? it's so much cheaper over the internet.

I've just always wanted to do that... (u_u) :D :lol
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(08-01-2007, 09:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Flo_Evans

I've just always wanted to do that... (u_u) :D :lol

Pfft, just click on the sell button 3 times
koam
(08-03-2007, 04:32 PM)
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I think i might be investing in Take Two in the near future. They took a huge plunge due to GTA4 being delayed. I'd rather not own NTDOY *and* TTWO stock but it's on special!

Plus this
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/07...8_id.html?.v=1
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(08-03-2007, 04:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

I think i might be investing in Take Two in the near future. They took a huge plunge due to GTA4 being delayed. I'd rather not own NTDOY *and* TTWO stock but it's on special!

Plus this
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/07...8_id.html?.v=1

They're still up 38% from this time a year ago..
koam
(08-03-2007, 07:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by sonarrat

They're still up 38% from this time a year ago..

Think they'll drop more? I guess they should considering no manhunt, no gta 4 and that other sport game bombed.
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(08-03-2007, 07:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

Think they'll drop more? I guess they should considering no manhunt, no gta 4 and that other sport game bombed.

I'm not wondering about that as much as how long it will take to recover.
koam
(08-03-2007, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by sonarrat

I'm not wondering about that as much as how long it will take to recover.

Q2 2008 :D
yayaba
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(08-03-2007, 08:39 PM)
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Stocks now are terrible. Be careful anyone who wades in because of this thread.

I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone... :(

My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol
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Originally Posted by yayaba

Stocks now are terrible. Be careful anyone who wades in because of this thread.

I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone... :(

My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol

This is a wait and see market. Personally, I'm waiting for interest rates to go up meaningfully and then invest in bonds. The rate of return for a T-bill is too low right now at less than 5%; with the impending credit crunch that should change. My stock portfolio is baby play by comparison because I don't feel comfortable in the market.
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(08-03-2007, 08:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

I think i might be investing in Take Two in the near future. They took a huge plunge due to GTA4 being delayed. I'd rather not own NTDOY *and* TTWO stock but it's on special!

Plus this
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/07...8_id.html?.v=1

Hmm, on this note, what happened to the Nintendo stocks after the WiiFit announcement?
koam
(08-06-2007, 04:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dascu

Hmm, on this note, what happened to the Nintendo stocks after the WiiFit announcement?

They've gone up by a few dollars but that's probably attributed to their quarterly results which were higher than expected.

I bought some more stocks, my current holdings are:

Firestone Ventures (FV.V)
1000 shares @ $0.65
Exchange: TSE
Reason I bought them:
They're a promissing mining company based in Vancouver. Pretty cheap stock and LOTS of info about the company is available. I expect big things from them in the future.

Anooraq (ARQ.V)
1000 shares @ $2.83
Exchange: TSE
Reason I bought them:
Another mining company. They're currently in a slump but they've been at $3.20 before, I believe i'll be able to pocket a couple of hundred dollars off them soon enough.

Nintendo (NTDOY.PK)
50 shares @ $57.85
Exchange: OTC (JSE)
Reason I bought them:
The Wii and the DS obviously. I expect their stock to go up when the Wii becomes the worldwide leader in August and Nintendo issues a PR. Also, their next year earnings are going to be a killer. Oh and Wii Fit

Universal Display (PANL) *NEW for me*
100 shares @ $14.98
Exchange: NSE
Reason I bought them:
I used to own stocks in a competing company (Cambridge Display) and i made a killing off them. Cambridge was recently bought and my stocks more than doubled. The reason? Both of these companies are makers of OLED screens. OLED will eventually replace LCD/PLASMA and i've got high hopes for this tech. Their main partners are Sony and Samsung. Go OLED!

Stocks I'm looking into getting when I get some more cash into my account:

Amazon (AMZN): They're going to get HUGE. Harry Potter sales will be in their next quarterly earnings and then, it's holiday season! Double wammy on wii and ds sales for me here.

Bell Canada (BCE): They're going to be bought out in September (or at least approve a takeover). They just announced a dividend. This is a short term commitment.

Garmin (GRMN): Big GPS company. I think they'll continue to improve, but their stock has gotten quite pricey lately.
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(08-06-2007, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by koam

Universal Display (PANL) *NEW for me*
100 shares @ $14.98
Exchange: NSE
Reason I bought them:
I used to own stocks in a competing company (Cambridge Display) and i made a killing off them. Cambridge was recently bought and my stocks more than doubled. The reason? Both of these companies are makers of OLED screens. OLED will eventually replace LCD/PLASMA and i've got high hopes for this tech. Their main partners are Sony and Samsung. Go OLED!

Go OLED indeed, i mentioned earlier that i bought them at $14.98 this morning, well they closed off at 15.69 with a high of 16.20 during the day :D
LM4sure
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(08-06-2007, 09:56 PM)
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:lol
oh boy
Tarazet
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KLA-Tencor recovered from last week's losses, but my risky small-cap JOB is two cents down from where I bought it at the moment. Looks like I'll be holding onto both of these stocks for a while.. and probably not earning much more than I am in my 6-month CDs.
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DODGE & COX BALANCED
0.0000 $0.00 0.5170 $86.65 -$1.44 $46.55 08/03/2007
DODGE & COX STOCK FUND
0.0000 $0.00 0.1440 $152.76 -$4.00 $23.25 08/03/2007
ENHANCED STOCK MARKET
0.2186 $100.88 0.0000 $0.00 -$2.82 $23.21 08/03/2007
TROWE PRICE BLUE CHP GWTH
0.0000 $0.00 0.5950 $37.61 -$1.08 $23.25 08/03/2007
HARTFORD MIDCAP HLS/IA
0.0000 $0.00 0.7510 $29.36 -$0.80 $23.21 08/03/2007
EVGRN SPECIAL VALUES/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.8030 $26.73 -$0.99 $23.22 08/03/2007
EVGRN GROWTH/I
0.0000 $0.00 1.2150 $18.18 -$0.60 $23.21 08/03/2007
AMERICAN FUNDS EUPAC R5
0.0000 $0.00 0.4420 $50.76 -$0.88 $23.21 08/03/2007
LAZARD EMERGING MARKETS/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.9360 $24.02 -$0.35 $23.21 08/03/2007

My portfolio today! ahhh
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(08-06-2007, 11:48 PM)
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I've been reading very intensively about options trading. I know it's portrayed as a tricky thing that should only really be handled by professionals, but I like the idea of paying a little bit upfront and having that be the most money you can possibly lose on the transaction. The trouble, as I see it, is that you have to have someone on the other side taking the opposite position, earning a little bit upfront but with a potential for unlimited loss.. and that will be reflected in the price.
bill0527
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(08-07-2007, 12:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by koam


Dividends
I'll re-write this later, it wasn't very clear the first time


You make money by buying stock 2 ways - an appreciation in your share value (price of your stock goes up), but you will only make money if you sell it (book value increases, but money in your pocket does not, unless you sell). The other way is through dividends. Both of these components - share appreciation and dividends make up your capitol gain on a stock (or capital loss).

A dividend is an amount of money set by management of a company that they decide to return to shareholders. Companies typically pay dividends on a quarterly, semi-annual, or annual basis. Some companies don't pay a dividend at all - doesn't mean they're a bad company or in trouble, they could be doing other things with their money like re-investment in the company instead of paying dividends.

You'll always want to check a company's history to see if they pay dividends and how often they pay dividends. You'll want a good understanding of their dividend policy up front. Dividend policies of company's typically don't change. Once they set a dividend amount to pay and its frequency, they seldom deviate from it, unless they need that money for reinvestment.

As an example, if a company pays a quarterly dividend of .38 cents per share and you own 100 shares, then you will get a check from them for 38 bucks every quarter. Some quarters they may decide not to pay a dividend, but again, it doesn't mean they are in trouble, it could mean that they have to make some major capital purchases in the short-term.

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