BOTB6: Ness Lee vs. RemyD
. Will watch later, but should be a goodie.
Originally Posted by Pearlito's Way
I'll have to disagree with you about him not being a 40k draw, but then again, you felt that he wasn't a 40k draw before this battle, so it's clearly a moot point. The bottom line is that despite the results of the battle he's still going to be one of the biggest draws and rightfully so. If he were to go against Serius Jones, I expect both of them to pull minimum 40k easy. Why, because it's definitely something the fans would love to see. I guess what it boils down to is who's lux opponent is that will determine what he commands or demands so to speak.
It's obvious we're going to have different opinions on the subject of "acting diva-ish". I truly believe the true pioneers earned that right. They help build, establish, something when there wasn't a blueprint, why shouldn't they now reap the benefits now?. They put in the leg work and cared enough about the culture to continue to do it, when the culture wasn't profitable. Now that it is, it's a problem for them to get due right and be properly compensated. I don't get it. He even addressed this in his last verse "You make the fans see me as greedy as if I broke some treaty because I donít let them treat me like a don" Trust and believe the money is there, let's not act as if it isn't.
The issue I have is that while Hollow may have think he attacked Lux's "judgment and hypocrisy" he actually is making his case and proving his point. For example, you just use the fact that Lux turned down what ever offers were made until he got his demands for 40k. Ok, now while his demands weren't being met what did he do in the meantime? Did he go out and "do what he had to do" and risk his and the future of little boy playing in these streets to accomplish such a thing or did he hit the ave on 125 and Jamaica saying "2 for 10 for my beloved"? and that's the point Lux was making. He (Cal's pops)could have made it happen many didn't ways, why risk it? And that's what Lux was trying to teach Cal with the line "Is your money being long worth your life being shorter?'" How can Hollow say who are you to criticize when he got the job done, but how can that be when Cal's pops was sent away and Cal had to burden that responsibility.
You're misunderstanding my point about Hollow's 2nd round. I critiquing the fact that his imitation rhyme was missing the biggest part of Lux's style, the double entendre. You can't mimic Lux without it. I'm not saying that he didn't have some potent character attacks against Lux, but I do truly feel that a lot of it was overblown. Especially, the Vicodin line. Comparing the strength in his ink to a drug that's not in liquid form and that's exposing him, somebody's reaching. There are such things as filler bars that you don't have to take so literally.
I'm going to have to say the money is entirely not there. What evidence do we have that it is? That Smack is on BET? And even still gets rights to put shit on YT which probably takes a chunk out of their pay at the end of the day? And when the rappers didn't get paid for UFF either? The only
reason something like SM2 could have happened was because someone put up the money. Charlie Clips wouldn't name who it was that they brought to the table to make it happen, but my feeling is it was Diddy. And Ciroc did not sponsor anything after SM2. Clips also said URL made him take B Magic at NOME3 with a drastic pay cut as a favour
, and they'd pay him more when his next battle came around because they just didn't have the money/sponsorship coming off of Armaggeddon and losing Webster Hall as a venue. Beasley said they'd pay Lux $40k if someone fronted the cash. No one did. Star talked some shit like he would; but he never did.
Fans need to stop counting other people's money, straight up. Organik said that they barely make any profit off of an event, and even still just because you make a profit doesn't mean your suddenly able to raise people's pay margins permanently, because there's little going back and you need money for a rainy day if something like URL's Armaggeddon happens. It's not stable or sustainable, neither is SM2/HS scale events that seem to take a year and a half to build up to again. SM2 just spoiled everyone, I think. Like Beasley said, just because you think you should be paid $40k or you're worth $40k, doesn't mean it's financially viable for the organization to make that return. That's what Hollow was saying. If you haven't already, I highly suggest you check out this interview with Beasley which covers the economics of battle rap a bit
. And here's another with DNA and Clips who you can imagine are on the higher end as far as earnings for active battle rappers go
. Beasley said in that interview too that they offered to put themselves into the negative to get Lux' battle to happen and he still declined because he wanted more
. That is greed.
The Beasley interview is really informative and a must watch for everyone IMO.
RE: Calicoe's pops, I sort of better understand where you're coming from now now that you've worded it as such. And the imitation wasn't supposed to be literal exactly, he was just using example bars to try and mimic the reaction more than his style exactly; it was all still very much done in Hollow's jumpy style.
Originally Posted by crimzonflame
Remember Aye Verb's guardian angel line? Verb is top 5 for sure.
Verb keeps shitting on his legacy. I really want to say he's one of my favourites but he's had some really, really poor showings. Seems like when he leaves the Lou nowadays it's never anything good.
EDIT: He did do decent vs. Dizaster though.
Originally Posted by Esch
dead where's my Ill Will vs. B Magic reaction video
Originally Posted by crimzonflame
How do you think won between Hollow vs Pass? Thats still one of my favorite battles of all time.
Debatable. I'm a Hollow stan so I'll say Hollow but Pass had some pretty consistent rounds, wouldn't be mad if someone said Pass won outright.