Larger PC market is probably why Germany is considered a bigger market compared to the UK.
That's right too.
Larger PC market is probably why Germany is considered a bigger market compared to the UK.
Great console that it was, they didn't do everything right with the 360, they had the RROD fiasco. Following that up with TV, TV, TV, NFL and Kinect is spectacularly wrong. I'd be concerned that MS dropping out would lead to another bloated and expensive Sony console, but MS need to do much better if they do go again.
Larger PC market is probably why Germany is considered a bigger market compared to the UK.
While this is very true, they've eroded a lot of mindshare this gen.
The way the video game industry is so globalised, it's almost foolish to perpetually bank on literally just two regions as a console manufacturer.
No, but the transition of how Xbox sales are recorded in Microsoft's quarterly reports are rather telling of its future.
It'll become a service.
I would say it's probably bigger in the rest of Europe.
Here in Portugal PS4's advantage is bigger than that I think. Spain too if I'm not mistaken.
They did everything right with the 360, and Europe and Japan still chose the PS3.
I think MS should just focus on regaining their lost marketshare in the US, which has a higher chance of happening than making any dent in Europe.
Why nobody care about Italy.
Microsoft are screwed in the console space. I think this is it for Xbox.
Xbox One sales are declining in Europe (or close to flat lining) when it should be increasing. It's only going to get more brutal for the console at this point.
But 'what about another Xbox' I hear you say? The next generation is all about VR capabilities (although as you know I believe it won't kick off). It will, however, dominate news channels and generate critical hype. Microsoft have quite literally ZERO VR capabilities. They are at least 5 years behind Sony in that regard. They simply won't be able to compete in its current position.
So, Xbox One sales are declining, or at least the gap is continually rising, and they are in a poor position to compete against the inevitable PlayStation 5. Xbox is done, and it'll become some sort of PC service.
I'd like to make a thread about this discussion...
That's right too.
For the majority, sure. But there are also people who won't buy a Nintendo machine no matter what. MS could get those people. Maybe.
But talking from personal experience, people here are much more likely to build a gaming PC than getting a second console (an Xbox One).
Absolutely, but the Playstation brand itself is too entrenched in those markets, we saw how brand is more important than anything else last gen with the PS3, dominating NA and nowhere else is a more desirable position than 50/50 marketshare in NA and doing poorly everywhere else.
While PS3 did better than X360 in continental Europe X360 still had respectable numbers in bigger European countries. If I remember right it had sold something like 2.5 million in Germany. That is more than Xbox One and WiiU will do combined this gen.
It's 70 or 80% there if I'm not mistaken.
If we go by Steamspy, Germany has more users, but UK PC users own way more games. It's actually leading over Germany in total games owned.
Not sure how long I'd last with if I only had a PS4. At this I mostly just play shooters and I hate the DS4 for shooters.
Different society though. Fifa is perfectly find on the DS4.
Is it possible that has something to do with the fact that Germany still has a fairly sizeable market for physical PC releases? Or so I've heard. Would be cool to see some data as to all of this. It's interesting.
You can add Japan too since it sold like peanuts there.Finally some 2015 numbers for bone.
US 11.1m
UK < 2.5m
DE 0.6m
Total: ~14.1m
Keep giving... we need to found these 18m.
PS4 is a beast!
Is this the aftermath of the initial XBO reveal?
Finally some 2015 numbers for bone.
US 11.1m
UK < 2.5m
DE 0.6m
Total: ~14.1m
Keep giving... we need to found these 18m.
Added 0.06mYou can add Japan too since it sold like peanuts there.
Finally some 2015 numbers for bone.
US 11.1m
UK < 2.5m
DE 0.6m
Total: ~14.1m
Keep giving... we need to found these 18m.
That's because the German chart is the Playstation chart guest starring other platforms, while in the UK both platforms are successful.
If we go by Steamspy, Germany has more users, but UK PC users own way more games. It's actually leading over Germany in total games owned.
I think the need for paid online is hurting chances for XB1 as second console TBH.Only silver lining I can see is PS4 owners buying a second console because it's cheap enough. (Make it 200 maybe.) Other than that, no dice. Halo didn't change anything. PS4 is THE console to have.
Yeah, although console-gaming is growing in Germany, the main reason for this is the shrinking market in Japan. I know that it shouldn't surprise me but it still looks strange to see those numbers next to each other.
According to Wikipedia the ps3-360 split was about 16-14 million across Europe, and the ps3 was also the cheapest Blu-ray player for some time. The UK will have had some part in cranking up the 360 sales, but I doubt ps3 market share was double in many countries (Wii market share definitely was double that of PS3 across the board). So I don't fully believe this entrenched "games = playstation" mindset, at least not among gamers themselves going into the console generation. In order for a 4:1 to happen, a lot of people needed to have switched sides. That mindset is definitely starting to take foothold now though as both Nintendo and MS have made themselves largely irrelevant to Europe. And in case of the latter because MS leading up to the reveal was only interested in American games (Gears, Halo, Forza), then only in American sports and American TV and finally drove the point home that most of Europe was second tier even to Japan to them. They destroyed their brand in the eyes of Europeans and are not going to win them back any time soon.Germany was actually one of the 360's largest markets, and the PS3 still almost doubled it, it was worse in places like Spain, Italy, and the smaller European markets.
"Respectable" is fair, but was still nowhere near as well as the PS3 and Wii as they dominated the software charts.
The PS3s effects are still present as FIFA did better there than XB1 this year while 360's software died as soon as new gen started.
Shooters are just as popular here and they play fine on DS4
I hope so.We will soon know France update.
No they use chartz.
I doubt any of the current VR units would work on Xbox given its power.Xbox is doing very well in NA/UK. Not great considering they lost the market share to Playstation but well enough to sustain a very wealthy console business, so they would be crazy not to release another console. However I could definetely see Microsoft going all-in and make a console with features that caters/available only to NA/UK.
Regarding VR, they don't need a 1st party VR device. If VR is actually a sustained market success just partner with someone or even buy them.
According to Wikipedia the ps3-360 split was about 16-14 million across Europe, and the ps3 was also the cheapest Blu-ray player for some time. The UK will have had some part in cranking up the 360 sales, but I doubt ps3 market share was double in many countries (Wii market share definitely was double that of PS3 across the board). So I don't fully believe this entrenched "games = playstation" mindset, at least not among gamers themselves going into the console generation. In order for a 4:1 to happen, a lot of people needed to have switched sides. That mindset is definitely starting to take foothold now though as both Nintendo and MS have made themselves largely irrelevant to Europe. And in case of the latter because MS leading up to the reveal was only interested in American games (Gears, Halo, Forza), then only in American sports and American TV and finally drove the point home that most of Europe was second tier even to Japan to them. They destroyed their brand in the eyes of Europeans and are not going to win them back any time soon.
I hope so.
Any estimate?
It was at 416k in 2014 and sold 290k in the year... maybe 700k at end of 2015?
So very much this. people here underestimate this reason because they are extremely devoted gamers. For normal households this is a strong argument against a secondary console.I think the need for paid online is hurting chances for XB1 as second console TBH.
VR will make it even worse.Everything's pretty much set in stone at this point. Unless VR or something enexpected changes the playing field it's all looking very much forgone as to how things will play out.
Battlefront was hugely advertised, but they put some money back for Uncharted.I've actually seen more XB ads than Ps4 ads in germany, yet everything is about Ps4 round here.
You need to compare Japan numbers with Germany minus November-December (and October) sales.Yeah, although console-gaming is growing in Germany, the main reason for this is the shrinking market in Japan. I know that it shouldn't surprise me but it still looks strange to see those numbers next to each other.
Quick translation from your link/article:
November & December Sales in germany:
PS4: ~570.000
XBO: ~110.000
- the gap is widening
- PS4 market share 68% in germany
- mentions 52% wordwide market share for the PS4 and Chartz as the source (lol....)
I doubt any of the current VR units would work on Xbox given its power.
Hum so those numbers are from Chartz in the end lol ?
Current global situation:
Just the WW market share...Hum so those numbers are from Chartz in the end lol ?