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Germany sales update: PS4 2.8 million, Wii U 690k, XB1 600k
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That's right too.
TV TV Kinect is irrelevant to my original point, the 360 didn't have that, it was a gaming console that launched cheaper and more than a year earlier, the PS3 released hilariously more expensive and a year later but still thrashed it in Europe.
Xbox's biggest problem in Europe is that it's not named Playstation, they don't need to be named Playstation for NA, that's why they need to focus their efforts there.
The german global VG market is still not anywhere near the UK's though.
Absolutely, but the Playstation brand itself is too entrenched in those markets, we saw how brand is more important than anything else last gen with the PS3, dominating NA and nowhere else is a more desirable position than 50/50 marketshare in NA and doing poorly everywhere else.
Xbox is doing very well in NA/UK. Not great considering they lost the market share to Playstation but well enough to sustain a very wealthy console business, so they would be crazy not to release another console. However I could definetely see Microsoft going all-in and make a console with features that caters/available only to NA/UK.
Regarding VR, they don't need a 1st party VR device. If VR is actually a sustained market success just partner with someone or even buy them.
KillerMan91
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While PS3 did better than X360 in continental Europe X360 still had respectable numbers in bigger European countries. If I remember right it had sold something like 2.5 million in Germany. That is more than Xbox One and WiiU will do combined this gen.
Why nobody care about Italy.
It's 70 or 80% there if I'm not mistaken.
Bits N Pieces
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I really doubt that - but those comparisons never to lead to anything as it is not possible to compare as there are different categories included and different methods used. We tried this in the past and UK was 1 billion larger. But again - those comparisons don't work. They just give a slight hint.
I'd do it that way: Look at GTAV sales in UK. -> UK ist still bigger - they are crazy.
From my personal experience people despise paying a second monthly fee for Xbox live, when they already pay for PS+. Hence WiiU or PC it is. I myself probably would have already bought an xbox one, if not for the monthly fee. Its not that I can't afford it, but somehow I think we germans feel uncomfortable with monthly fees, contracts and rather pay more upfront. E.g. think mobile phones. Over here its not uncommon to buy your phone without a contract and then choose from one of the many cheap telephone providers that allow you to cancel your contract on a monthly basis.
So I think for Xbox One to gain marketshare they have to drop the xbox live fee and at least allow free online play. But that will never happen
Yes I'm in agreement with the entrenched aspect.
It's tough when some parts of EMEA refer to all video games as simply Playstation.
But the 360, even though it lost EU overall made some decent strides in the region.
If they can make a decently priced next Xbox with some good marketing, they could definitely steal more market share next time although it will be tough coming off PS4's amazing success.
Germany was actually one of the 360's largest markets, and the PS3 still almost doubled it, it was worse in places like Spain, Italy, and the smaller European markets.
"Respectable" is fair, but was still nowhere near as well as the PS3 and Wii as they dominated the software charts.
The PS3s effects are still present as FIFA did better there than XB1 this year while 360's software died as soon as new gen started.
Already knew that, PS4 was also at ~500k by end of 2014 in Italy.
MatrixMan.EXE
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YianGaruga
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Shooters are just as popular here and they play fine on DS4
Yes, PC software does well physically, I believe it's actually the third biggest platform for physical sales behind PS4 and PS3, and much higher than XB1 and Wii U.
You can add Japan too since it sold like peanuts there.
No they use chartz.
No. Ps also dominated sales there last Gen.
UK is the only market Xbox has a decent share and even won last Gen.
Hmmm.
Considering that Germany is one of XB1's largest EU markets, I find it doubtful install base is at +20m as some claimed in that MAU activation thread.
ethomaz
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chromatic9
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People who don't want to buy a Xbox One will buy a PS4, hence the skewed figures. If it was more even the PS4 would probably be less and Xbox more.
Your logic suggests there's a million people in Germany who want to buy FIFA but are not buying either console for some imaginary reason. Logic suggests PS4 is simply the more popular choice.
Yes, and with less population.
While PC physical is still a thing in Germany, it doesn't dominate the charts at all, you just get a few more titles popping up for a brief time.
I think the need for paid online is hurting chances for XB1 as second console TBH.
Last gen I know a lot of 360 owners who got cheap PS3 for exclusives and the fact it was a one and done cost made it easier. This gen I sense people factoring in Live fee too and seeing the proposition as less attractive.
I think XB1 console would need to be really cheap to offset this to generate decent interest as a second console for exclusives. Not to start a lot war but the general perception in PAL that XB1 has few true exclusives doesn't help with interest either.
I think in most of RoW outside US and UK (and Mexico) XB1 is locked into being niche choice vs PS4.
The numbers and ratios from territories like Germany are pretty telling as are the SW charts too.
Everything's pretty much set in stone at this point. Unless VR or something enexpected changes the playing field it's all looking very much forgone as to how things will play out.
Sakura
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Eh, keep in mind the PS4 launched in Japan in February 2014, while it launched in Germany in November 2013. It's had 3 Christmas seasons in Germany.
Also the Wii U provides more competition in Japan than in Germany. Wii U+PS4 in Japan = 5.4 million vs 4.1 million for PS4+Wii U+Xbox 1 in Germany.
According to Wikipedia the ps3-360 split was about 16-14 million across Europe, and the ps3 was also the cheapest Blu-ray player for some time. The UK will have had some part in cranking up the 360 sales, but I doubt ps3 market share was double in many countries (Wii market share definitely was double that of PS3 across the board). So I don't fully believe this entrenched "games = playstation" mindset, at least not among gamers themselves going into the console generation. In order for a 4:1 to happen, a lot of people needed to have switched sides. That mindset is definitely starting to take foothold now though as both Nintendo and MS have made themselves largely irrelevant to Europe. And in case of the latter because MS leading up to the reveal was only interested in American games (Gears, Halo, Forza), then only in American sports and American TV and finally drove the point home that most of Europe was second tier even to Japan to them. They destroyed their brand in the eyes of Europeans and are not going to win them back any time soon.
DriftingSpirit
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Incredible PS4 numbers.
I wish we had a way to compare to PS2.
I wish we had a way to compare to PS2.
Duxxy3
Member
Blech, can't stand it. The "triggers" are terrible.
ethomaz
Banned
I hope so.
Any estimate?
It was at 416k in 2014 and sold 290k in the year... maybe 700k at end of 2015?
I doubt any of the current VR units would work on Xbox given its power.
As far as i remember Kinect also didn't really work well in a lot of languages.
I will go with a bit under 750k.
1.21Gigawatts
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I've actually seen more XB ads than Ps4 ads in germany, yet everything is about Ps4 round here. When peple think gaming they think Ps4, just like it was with Nintendo back in the days.
Toll, toll, supertoll.
Jetzt bin ich aber kaputt von all den Spaß.
Toll, toll, supertoll.
Jetzt bin ich aber kaputt von all den Spaß.
slavesnyder
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So very much this. people here underestimate this reason because they are extremely devoted gamers. For normal households this is a strong argument against a secondary console.
Let's see if NX has paid online.
VR will make it even worse.
Psychologically, people don't even need to want or buy VR immediately, but Playstation will be the console who can do it and Xbox the one who can't.
MS has nothing to counter as far as we know. If they don't pull out something really magical, let it be a device or an exclusive killer game (that appeals to US and EU people) there is no change for better in sight.
Battlefront was hugely advertised, but they put some money back for Uncharted.
ethomaz
Banned
You need to compare Japan numbers with Germany minus November-December (and October) sales.
JP: 2.3m
DE: < 2.2m
Japan is bigger than Germany yet.
Hum so those numbers are from Chartz in the end lol ?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Besides that, MS is working on Hololens. It would make more sense to make Hololens work on Xbox One than create a competing product.
Only the worldwide mention is based on chartz
chromatic9
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Current global situation:
Is it losing in New Zealand as well?
ethomaz
Banned
Just the WW market share...