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Killer In-Sync? (Update: Not really)
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Basileus777
Member
Desync issues? Why wouldn't it get through QA?
We're getting some weird over-reactions to this, is it just the OP's mistaken idea that AIs are taking over?
That only he has complained so far means it's not a frequent or noticeable occurence. If it's fooling players all over the world then it fooled QA too, easy as that.
I dunno, it's just a hypothesis. I would need to look over waaaaay more matches to come to a solid conclusion, similar to the video in the OP (two screens side-by-side showing what each player sees). At this point, the OP seems like an extreme abnormality. If there was an agreed-upon game state from the two consoles colluding their information and rolling stuff back on a disagreement, there would be no divergence short of communications being completely cut (wouldn't the game just stop then?), but there is a divergence shown (assuming it's not faked).
Because this is, again, not a frequent occurrence.
This is from the Double Helix forums in the Killer Intsinct Bug Reporting Thread.
MULTIPLAYER DESYNCHRONIZATION:
User States: It seems like players in an exhibition match will desynchronize after a certain amount of rematches. The opposing player from either side will appear to not do anything and once the round is finished the lobby will close.
User States: Desynch is causing both players to see a victory screen from they're perspective. Thus, giving the illusion to a player that he won the match.
MULTIPLAYER DESYNCHRONIZATION:
User States: It seems like players in an exhibition match will desynchronize after a certain amount of rematches. The opposing player from either side will appear to not do anything and once the round is finished the lobby will close.
User States: Desynch is causing both players to see a victory screen from they're perspective. Thus, giving the illusion to a player that he won the match.
That and people are upset that a fighting game exclusive to the xbox one is getting so much praise and attention. Gotta blow every little issue way out of proportion. "game de-synced once? Huge gamebreaking problem, fightatars, cloud discovered!".
Angelus Errare
Banned
What happens if you win on your screen and whoever your fighting wins on their screen? Or is that even possible?
bodyboarder
Member
Rightly so.
Because this is, again, not a frequent occurrence.
OP should REALLY consider changing his post.
There you go.
dragonbane
Member
Actually he finds most of the game bugs in every game he plays lol
Well he is quite decent at fighters actually.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
Yeah this is why local Multiplayer is good.
It'd be better if Killer Instinct on replay had an option to show Button inputs visually like in Street Fighters Practice mode.
It'd be better if Killer Instinct on replay had an option to show Button inputs visually like in Street Fighters Practice mode.
Uhhh, doesn't it? The video in the OP shows a replay with inputs on the side.
Unfortunately, nobody else can ever reproduce the game bugs DSP finds. He's just that special.
Actually, given the reports of offline replays being weird, it's likely that this is more than a freak occurrence even if it isn't exactly common.
Oh right, that whole "omg AI" bit.
It does! It was in the video!
Phil wasn't playing ranked, he was playing exhibition. Exhibition matches apply to this
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Man the first page of this thread is downright embarrassing. Way too many posters invested in creating controversy over XBO games.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
I'm not trying to be "that person" but I don't think this is the same issue. There are inputs from the other player and they only fought one time.
edit: beaten
Okay, so you're saying the game mode is the cause?
It's a user submitted bug report. I'd say whoever first submitted it didn't know the full scope, since it evidently applies to other situations.
Online isn't taken that seriously by anyone good. And even with the odd desync or stutter, rollback netcode is still a lot better than having variable input lag.
Saw that the OP and thread title were modified based on the above post, but the video that was posted represents neither:
1. The opposing player appearing to not do anything.
2. Both players seeing a victory screen.
So... How is that post relevant to the video that was posted in the OP? It doesn't debunk that AI takes over during desynch, and that the match is completely different at times on both ends.
This line of thought is like attributing fruit falling from a tree to invisible squirrels instead of random detachments and gravity.
There's absolutely no reason to think "AI" has anything to do with this. It's just something along the lines of the stream of opponent button presses becoming garbled.
Yeah, it's the game mode.
It's only differen't on both ends because the sadira on DSP's end didn't land her combo, because of the desync. If you look at her movements and the recorded inputs at the top you can clearly see her doing the same moves as /if/ she was in a combo, as well as with Glacius. There is no AI.
It's related to the video that there are confirmed cases of desyncing with the game and that DH is looking for to fix it.
plagiarize
Banned
it's two separate reports. the first reported behavior is what would happen if the other player 'beat' you from their perspective while on your end the game was still going. they would just stand there, at that point, doing nothing.
both players seeing a victory screen is something that can happen with the desync, as locally each player is inputting buttons based on where their game *thinks* the other player is. so both remote players are doing things that don't make sense, like kicking at an opponent further away, or trying to wind up for a power move when the local player is close enough to break the wind up or not in a stunned state etc.
when desync happens, it becomes much more likely that the local player will win, leading to BOTH players winning.
sixteen-bit
Member
Killer desynch, wow. The video speaks for itself.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So...did anyone bother capturing any footage to see how often it happens? I mean there's someone on this page claiming it happened to him/her twice in the space of an hour...
Seems like something that could be very easily prove/disproved if two people on here capture their games together, but we're seemingly stuck at a stalemate and arguing about one video that may or may not be legit or entirely accurate...
Seems like something that could be very easily prove/disproved if two people on here capture their games together, but we're seemingly stuck at a stalemate and arguing about one video that may or may not be legit or entirely accurate...
If you watch closely there are parts where the inputs are not the same, and where on one side you see satire perform an aerial dash kick while in the other end she just jump kicks in place.
It's fallacious to presume there isn't something going on as well. The only proof that we have now is the video, which shows this. Updating the OP and saying "not really" with a bug report that doesn't even match everything that is happening in the video isn't right either.
The AI doesn't take your fights over. That I can guarantee
There are definitely replay issues though (where matches will play differently from what's remembered), but that's a separate issue.
I think it's worth asking how far are you playing from PL? Even if KI is having de-sync issues, I don't think it's be a problem is the connection is good and/or if you're playing close by your opponent. If the netcode is indeed good, then it'd be less of a problem.
There are definitely replay issues though (where matches will play differently from what's remembered), but that's a separate issue.
I think it's worth asking how far are you playing from PL? Even if KI is having de-sync issues, I don't think it's be a problem is the connection is good and/or if you're playing close by your opponent. If the netcode is indeed good, then it'd be less of a problem.
Given the size and relative experience of online modes for the developer, plus the fact that this is a relatively new (lack of a decade or more battle tested code some other games are running on), this was bound to happen. But it's also very fixable.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Thanks. I guess that clears it up and this was just a freak occurrence.
The joys of having a DVR at a hardware level, makes stuff like this incredibly easy to clear up...
Neither of these appear to be what is occuring in the video.
abstract alien
Member
Thank goodness this shit wasn't a huge issue. I can sleep well now.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
Yo I'm not gonna lie but uhh those directional things weren't there before lol xD It's awesome that they are there now tho.
Because the motions she required for her airdash kick were only to work with the combo she was doing, which was disrupted by glacius
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Over 350 online matches. Never run into anything like this.
Usually if something weird happens with the netcode/connection, the game drops and returns to menu.
Also, replay mode has a ton of bugs currently. High chance that could be pulling incorrect data, as sometimes I'll watch a replay and rewatch it later to different events happening.
Usually if something weird happens with the netcode/connection, the game drops and returns to menu.
Also, replay mode has a ton of bugs currently. High chance that could be pulling incorrect data, as sometimes I'll watch a replay and rewatch it later to different events happening.
That could be the problem. One of the matches in the video is of a replay so that can be a source of inconsistency.
Someone should record a match with the Xbone "Record That" function and compare it with an in-game replay of the same match.
I'll give it a try when i get off work
There have been reports of this happening to users on GAF within this very thread. We need more people to record their gameplay and upload it (those that want to actually bring it to light) so that we can have more footage.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Also, it would be pretty obvious if something like this was happening. Your opponent would make zero sense, and be flailing around like crazy.
In the post 5th rank of KI online, that doesn't really happen. Everyone's pretty good and each match is played by competent players. I do think this desync thing happens, but it's a bug and not really a big issue. I had this happen to me in SFxT and Skullgirls online before too. It's a by-product of rollback netcode at times.
dragonbane
Member
LMFAO. That's true, although the amount of crashes and real bugs he experiences is definitely not normal either xD
More footage of the desyncing happening, or not happening?