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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List

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PantherLotus

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:::THE CHECKLIST:::

Obama is the first black president, is awesome.
[X] Gettin down to it.
[X] Checkin off his list.
[X] Play with toy lightsaber

Balance of Power | Constitutional Issues | Undoing Bush
[X] Reversal of Bush's Preemption of States
[X] Reenergize Freedom of Information Act | New Era of Transparency
[X] Reverse ban of foreign aid to countries with Abortions (The Mexico City Policy)
[X] Ease the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits | Lilly Ledbetter Act
[X] Selected Supreme Court replacement Sonia Sotomayor

Economy | Jobs
[X] Lower Class Tax Cuts/Upper Class Tax Hikes (repealing the Bush Tax cuts for the rich)
[X] Help American Auto Industry Survive Depression
[X] Credit card reform gets passed, signed into law
[X] Signed additional mortgage fraud protections into law
[X] American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (stimulus package)


Environment | New Energy
[X] New mileage and emissions standards set, with industry, labor, environmental and state approval
[ ] Regulate Power Plants, Factories, Oil Refineries to curb greenhouse gasses
[ ] 1 Million Plug-In Hybrids vehicles by 2015.http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/08/04/obama-1-million-plug-in-hybrid-vehicles-by-2015/
[ ] Green Energy Bill


Health Care
[X] Reauthorize State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
[X] Reverse Bush policy that prevents federal tax dollars from use in embryonic stem cell research
[ ] Health Care Overhaul - Public Option with Opt-Out Plan
[ ] Health Care (insurance for every American)


Defense | Foreign Relations | Diplomacy | Iraq/Afghanistan
[X] Weapons procurement gets overhaul
[X] Make diplomatic efforts at engaging Islamic Middle Eastern Countries in dialogue
[X] Scrap plans for Missile Defense Sites in Eastern Europe
[X] Win Nobel Peace Prize in first year of Presidency
[ ] Closing Guatanamo Bay
[ ] Torture Commision - Full Disclosure and Accounting
[ ] War in Iraq Draw-down and Resolution
[ ] War in Afghanistan Resolution


Education
[ ] Education Reform
[ ] Student Loan Reform


Social Causes | Civil Rights
[X] Lifts Travel Ban for HIV-Positive
[X] Signs expanded Hate Crime Bill - Includes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Protection
[ ] Gay Marriage Legalized
[ ] Don't Ask; Don't Tell Repealed
[ ] Decriminalize Marijuana


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What you should be reading
[ ] Is President Obama keeping his capaign promises?
[ ] Talking Points Memo
[ ] The Atlantic
[ ] Huffington Post
[ ] Politico
[ ] FiveThirtyEight

Cable News / Talking Heads
[ ] MSNBC | MATTHEWS | OLBERMAN | MADDOW
[ ] FOXNEWS | O'REILLY | HANNITY | BECK | RUSH
 

Hootie

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So about our motherfucking president...

PantherLotus said:
1. Lower Class Tax Cuts/Upper Class Tax Hikes (repealing the Bush Tax cuts for the rich)
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2. Healthcare (healthcare/insurance for every American)
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3. Environment (Higher MPG standards, lower emissions, Green initiatives and power options)
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4. Education Reform (who knows what is needed?)
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5. Civil Rights (Gay Marriage)
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6. Torture (Full Disclosure)
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7. Iraq and Afghanistan
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8. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
~Devil Trigger~ said:
This is happening in stealth...

I think so too. And call me hopeful, but I think he's doing the only politically viable thing right now by saying he's not for legalized marriage. I know I'm pretending to know what's in his head, or at least reading something that may not be there, but I think he's doing the same thing with the torture memos.

"No, no, we must protect the troops." When he knows the ACLU is a convenient and already-hated villain of the crazy right and they'll do the dirty work for him.

I think this is the same thing. He can say no all along and collect the votes, while (hopefully) installing a pro-rights Supreme Court that will eventually get this thing passed anyway. He wins, gays win, Americans win!
 

GrapeApes

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Tyrone Slothrop said:
sucks to see all that progress from the bush years go down the toilet so fast... but thankfully 2012 is right around the corner
Palin '12.
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i'm pretty sure he's saving the cultural stuff for his second term (gay marriage, pot decriminalization)

otherwise it'd just be too much
I don't think he's doing pot decrim. I think he is saving some things. I see going after "Don't Ask" after the midterm or in his second.
 
Michael Steele said:
"Ronald Reagan never lived in the past. Ronald Reagan was all about the future. If President Reagan were here today he would have no patience for Americans who looked backward."
Is he trying to be ironic? :lol
 

GhaleonEB

Member
ShOcKwAvE said:
I want to see how he handles the DADT policy. Support amongst Congress isn't that strong...
From Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic (which you should be reading!): http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/05/the_administrations_dont_ask_dont_tell_strategy.php

The Administration's Don't Ask, Don't Tell Strategy

The Obama administration does intend to preside over the repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy banning gays from its ranks, and it does have a strategy to get there from here. Unfortunately, Obama and the gay community are at different starting points, and those who've been on the frontlines of the fight, not to mention those who are getting fired from their jobs, are much more restless and much less patient -- no surprise here.

You can see the outline of the strategy in the administration's decision to let stand an appeals court ruling requiring the military to explain why being gay is, in itself, a reason to have fired a highly regarded lesbian Air Force major. The effect of not appealing the ruling will put the burden on the government to explain to skeptical judges why being gay is inherently incompatible with military service, something the administration (and many in the military) believe is very hard to prove, let alone justify. The hope here is that by allowing the military to make its best case -- and then seeing that case be torn apart by the courts, a critical mass of opposition to Don't Ask, Don't Tell, will build.

Obama will probably convene a commission -- not sure yet whether it'll be a blue ribbon dealy or a smaller task force -- that will, under the guise of studying the "problem," be tasked with coming up with ways to meaningfully and safely integrate open homosexuality with military service. No mistake here: the administration will not give this commission the option to decide that being gay is not compatible with service. But the idea is to build a consensus through all available means -- legally, through the courts, in public, through a concerted but non-hectoring public relations effort, in the military, by conveying the sense that Obama takes the objections to his view seriously -- and then, when such a consensus has arisen, work with Congress to change the policy.

That's what Obama wants. He wants consensus, and that doesn't simply mean the approval of the American public, which, by and large, supports gays who want to serve in the military. This approach by no means endears him to gay rights activists, and it probably shouldn't. But it's what Obama has decided to do.​
 

mj1108

Member
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i'm pretty sure he's saving the cultural stuff for his second term (gay marriage, pot decriminalization)

otherwise it'd just be too much

At the rate he's going, he'll be doing the cultural stuff in his second year of his first term.

His first term = gettin shit done
His second term = admiring his first term and making sure shit from the first term stays done.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Other people's checklists are welcome. I just tried to capture what he's done so far without going into his daily activities.

mj1108 said:
At the rate he's going, he'll be doing the cultural stuff in his second year of his first term.

His first term = gettin shit done
His second term = admiring his first term and making sure shit from the first term stays done.

I'm hoping he just takes what he does in the first term and goes further:

1. Protecting wildlife / parks
2. Funding science/NASA
3. National Health Care
4. Destroying Republicans
5. NCAA Football Playoff System
6. MLB Salary Cap
7. Invent the flying car
8. Cold Fusion
9. Etc
 
PantherLotus said:
That's on Lou Dobb's checklist, not a serious priority for serious Presidents.

nah it's pretty much a trillion dollar problem, it just isn't at the forefront. a lot of people associate immigration concerns with xenophobia and racism but he'll need to do something assuming he'll be our pres for nearly a decade
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^ Let's hear your argument about why it's a trillion dollar problem and not xenophobic fear mongering, then?

Byakuya769 said:
ditto for the "save american auto, eh" comment... we're still in the woods on that issue

... my man.

Yeah I know. What would be a better way to describe what was done?
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
^ added.

Tyrone Slothrop said:
taxpayers foot the bill for illegals' healthcare costs

:lol Taxpayers are paying for a trillion dollars in "illegals" health care? If you're going to say something that silly, shouldn't you also acknowledge that the US is saving money for less expensive labor and are making money IN TAXES off of additional retail sales?

"Illegals" are simply not the bogey monster that Dobbs and other xenophobes want them to be. They have the potential to be an issue, but the arguments are really just a platform to espouse racist and classist arguments against perfectly legal immigrants.
 
PantherLotus said:
:lol Taxpayers are paying for a trillion dollars in "illegals" health care?

yup

If you're going to say something that silly, shouldn't you also acknowledge that the US is saving money for less expensive labor and are making money IN TAXES off of additional retail sales?

so two wrongs make a right?

"Illegals" are simply not the bogey monster that Dobbs and other xenophobes want them to be. They have the potential to be an issue, but the arguments are really just a platform to espouse racist and classist arguments against perfectly legal immigrants.

or maybe they're "illegals" because they're, y'know, here illegally. shouldn't we enforce laws on how anybody comes into our country?
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck

Where did you hear that? Do you know how much a trillion dollars is? And why do you think American Taxpayers are paying a TRILLION dollars in Illegal's Health Care?

so two wrongs make a right?

Huh? I said you shouldn't ONLY acknowledge the negatives of having a large number of illegal immigrants. You can't just look at the issue as a complete negative without considering the corollary positive effects they have on our country. And there are some.


or maybe they're "illegals" because they're, y'know, here illegally. shouldn't we enforce laws on how anybody comes into our country?

"Shouldn't we enforce our laws" is not the same as "theyz costin' us trillionz!"

I absolutely agree that our border should be enforced and policed and that we should prevent actual terrorists from coming into our country. But I refuse to believe that this argument is anything other than a poorly-disguised "brown people want welfare 'cause they don't work hard!" argument.

There are good, decent, and non-racist reasons to protect our border. "Theyz costin' us trillionz!" is not one of them.
 

Gaborn

Member
Pretty sure this wasn't posted yet...


Democrats in Senate Block Money to Close Guantánamo

WASHINGTON — In an abrupt shift, Senate Democratic leaders said they would not provide the $80 million that President Obama requested to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The move escalates pressure on the president, who on Thursday is scheduled to outline his plans for the 240 terrorism suspects still held there.

In recent days, Mr. Obama has faced growing demands from both parties, but particularly Republicans, to lay out a more detailed road map for closing the Guantánamo prison and to provide assurances that detainees would not end up on American soil, even in maximum security prisons.

The move by Senate Democrats to strip the $80 million from a war-spending bill and the decision to bar, for now, transfer of detainees to the United States, raised the possibility that Mr. Obama’s order to close the camp by Jan. 22, 2010, might have to be changed or delayed.

“Guantánamo makes us less safe,” the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said at a news conference where he laid out the party’s rationale for its decision, which is expected to be voted on this week. “However, this is neither the time nor the bill to deal with this. Democrats under no circumstances will move forward without a comprehensive, responsible plan from the president. We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States.”

Senate Democrats said they still backed Mr. Obama’s decision to close the prison. But lawmakers have not exactly been eager to accept detainees in their home states. When the tiny town of Hardin, Mont., offered to put the terrorism suspects in its empty jail, Montana’s senators, both Democrats, and its representative, a Republican, quickly voiced opposition.

Administration officials have indicated that if the Guantánamo camp closes as scheduled more than 100 prisoners may need to be moved to the United States, including 50 to 100 who have been described as too dangerous to release.

Of the 240 detainees, 30 have been cleared for release. Some are likely to be transferred to foreign countries, though other governments have been reluctant to take them. Britain and France have each accepted one former detainee. And while as many as 80 of the detainees will be prosecuted, it remains unclear what will happen to those who are convicted and sentenced to prison.

At the White House, the press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said the administration expected that Congress would eventually release the money to close the camp, and he suggested that the concerns of lawmakers would start to be addressed on Thursday, when Mr. Obama will present a “hefty pa rt” of his plan.

At the Pentagon, a spokesman, Geoff Morrell, said he believed that the administration remained on track to meet the deadline for closing the prison. “I see nothing to indicate that that date is at all in jeopardy,” Mr. Morrell said.

As the administration has struggled with the issue, it has come under assault from the right and the left.

Conservatives have sought to portray the president as weak on national security. Liberals, including some human rights advocates, have criticized several of Mr. Obama’s decisions, including his plan to revive the military commissions created by the Bush administration to prosecute terrorism suspects held at Guantánamo.

Lawmakers, mindful of polls showing wide public opposition to bringing detainees to the United States, have expressed concerns about the safety of their constituents, and some have said that any location housing detainees, even the most secure prisons, would become a potential target for a terrorist attack.

On Tuesday Republicans, including the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who has been warning for weeks about the dangers of closing the prison, applauded the Democrats’ decision.

At a news conference, Mr. McConnell said he hoped it was a prelude to keeping the camp open and dangerous terrorism suspects offshore, where he said they belong. He noted that no prisoner had escaped from Guantánamo since the Sept. 11 attacks.

“Guantánamo is the perfect place for these terrorists,” Mr. McConnell said. “However, if the president ends up sticking with this decision to close it next January, obviously they need a place to be. It ought not to be the United States of America.”

Senate Democrats on Tuesday conceded that their decision to shift course in part reflected the success of Republicans in putting them on the defensive.

But the Democrats said they had also acted to avert a partisan feud that would delay the military-spending measure, which is needed to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and other national security programs through Sept. 30.

The House last week overwhelmingly approved the $96.7 billion spending measure after stripping the money for closing Guantánamo and inserting language barring Mr. Obama from transferring any detainees to the United States without first presenting a detailed plan to Congress, and giving lawmakers a chance to review it.

Later in the week, the White House announced that it would revive the military commissions to prosecute some of the terrorism suspects held at Guantánamo.

The Obama administration said it would expand the legal rights of suspects, including a limit on the use of hearsay evidence and a ban on evidence gained from cruel treatment.

Still, discomfort has only grown in Congress. Senate Democrats had initially included the $80 million for closing the prison in their version of the war-spending measure, but with tight restrictions requiring Mr. Obama to submit a plan before the money could be used.

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Mr. Reid, said the majority leader had not intended to suggest that detainees could never be transferred to American prisons, but only to say that the Senate would not provide money for closing Guantánamo until a task force created by Mr. Obama presented a report on detainee policy in July.

Mr. Reid in his comments, however, was unequivocal in insisting that the terrorism suspects never reach American shores.

“You can’t put them in prison unless you release them,” he said. “We will never allow terrorists to be released in the United States.”

Mr. Reid said he and other Senate Democrats had shifted course after seeing the version of the spending bill approved by the House last week, a rare gesture of deference by the upper chamber of Congress to the lower one.

“In looking at the position of the House, that was more logical,” Mr. Reid said. “We have clearly said all along that we wanted a plan. We don’t have a plan. And based on that, this is not the bill to deal with this.”

This is ridiculous. Imprisoning the terrorists is not "letting them loose on American soil" it's putting them in the US criminal justice system. You stick them in a maximum security facility, you don't drop them off in down town New York.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Gaborn said:
Pretty sure this wasn't posted yet...


Democrats in Senate Block Money to Close Guantánamo



This is ridiculous. Imprisoning the terrorists is not "letting them loose on American soil" it's putting them in the US criminal justice system. You stick them in a maximum security facility, you don't drop them off in down town New York.

But they have to be certain that they wouldn't be freed under current law until then. It's a political game for now.
 
well i understand many conservatives cloak racism in "immigration" issues. that's what makes it a hard issue. but i honestly think at the end of the day when you really get down into what the repercussions of illegal immigration could be in 10-30 years, it has little do with "dem brown peoplez coming in here" or anything along that line

and yeah it does cost money when illegals go to the hospital. i'm not saying we're footing their viagra prescriptions or anything. it is a problem but to be honest i don't know the factual specifics of it, but over the years it cost billions
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Tyrone Slothrop said:
well i understand many conservatives cloak racism in "immigration" issues. that's what makes it a hard issue. but i honestly think at the end of the day when you really get down into what the repercussions of illegal immigration could be in 10-30 years, it has little do with "dem brown peoplez coming in here" or anything along that line

and yeah it does cost money when illegals go to the hospital. i'm not saying we're footing their viagra prescriptions or anything, though i think it varies from state to state. it is a problem but to be honest i don't know the factual specifics of it, but over the years it cost billions

Did you read your first paragraph? You actually didn't say anything. Your second paragraph just said that you don't have any facts or data.

So you really don't know how big of an issue it is?
 
Harry Reid, you are not a Republican which means you're not allowed to say nonsensical things such as "You can’t put them in prison unless you release them".
 
i'm just saying i'm not going to start citing sources or anything. i mean i could google all this and come up with concrete facts (because i am right) but ...

but seriously bro, look it up. i'm not trying to sass you or anything, see how illegals cost taxpayers.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Report: Steele Defuses "Democrat Socialist Party" Resolution

Has Michael Steele averted the cultural and political train-wreck that would have come from the RNC's proposed "Democrat Socialist Party" resolution? That's what CNN now reports.

RNC member David Norcross of New Jersey, who had been a sponsor of the resolution, told CNN: "The language is being changed so that the proposers and chairman Steele are on the same page." Steele had opposed this thing from the start, and had sought to avoid the spectacle -- yes, Michael Steele thought this was too goofy.

Instead, Norcross said the resolution will now simply "condemn the Democrats' march to socialism" instead of renaming the Dems as the "Democrat Socialist Party." Wisconsin GOP chairman Reince Priebus, a Steele ally, predicted that such an altered version should pass easily once the final language has cleared the resolutions committee.

:lol
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i'm just saying i'm not going to start citing sources or anything. i mean i could google all this and come up with concrete facts (because i am right) but ...

but seriously bro, look it up. i'm not trying to sass you or anything, see how illegals cost taxpayers.

1. You're not going to start citing sources because you have none.

2. You can google to your heart's content. You keep talking about "concrete facts" but haven't made a concrete statement or point yet.

3. You say you are right but the only thing you asserted "illegals cost us a trillion in health care!" you not only backed off of, you said you knew nothing about it.

4. I don't need to look up shit and I don't care if you "sass" me (what are we, 8 year olds in the Civil War South?). You need to look up how to make an effective argument, but I'll give you a hint. It starts with a provable point.
 

Gaborn

Member
The easiest way to limit illegal immigration is to cut off the incentive for businesses to hire them. Fine any business that hires an undocumented worker 500 dollars per undocumented worker, heavily enforce it and run the fines through city courts so the local police have an incentive to do the checks. It won't stop illegal immigration but it'll sure as heck put a dent in it.

At the same time we should obviously make it easier to come here legally. Remove the cap on legal immigration and just require a simple criminal background check to come here to live.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i'm just saying i'm not going to start citing sources or anything. i mean i could google all this and come up with concrete facts (because i am right) but ...

but seriously bro, look it up. i'm not trying to sass you or anything, see how illegals cost taxpayers.

Illegal immigrants are a huge plus for our social insurance system because they're disproportionately young and a ton of them pay FICA taxes. Plus they boost aggregate demand, stunt inflation, yadda yadda.

The analyses I've read have immigration as a small net plus for the economy. Plus the areas where they incur the biggest costs (ER costs, vehicle repairs) could be mitigated just as well by legalizing them, getting them in the system, and making them get insurance with everyone else.
 
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