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sflufan
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(09-13-2017, 07:24 PM)
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I very much agree that the novel is interesting for the inside look that it gives into the First Order and its indoctrination/operation though be warned that Phasma's story is essentially told "third-hand" and you never gain any insight into her inner thoughts/character.

Also I'm really pleased that it appears that Cardinal survives at the end as I hope to see more of him in future media!
CassidyIzABeast
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(09-13-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Awesome background for a character they threw in the garbage.
zeemumu
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Made a cool character with awesome design and backstory, then literally threw her in the trash.


I'll have to pick this book up. Sounds interesting
kswiston
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inferno313

This was fucking hard for you to grasp?

What on earth...

EDIT: Who Poe is was LITERALLY in the OPENING CRAWL of TFA.

Reading in American cinema?!?!
kunonabi
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(09-13-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Drayco21

Finn, Han and Chewie force her to lower the shields at gunpoint right before throwing her in the garbage.

what she sabotaged is evidence that she did that, to preserve her rank and power.

So the book fixes nothing then?
MadLaughter
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(09-13-2017, 07:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by kunonabi

So the book fixes nothing then?

The book explains what sort of experiences and desires might lead to a person both becoming a high rank in the First Order and also allowing something that would assist in the destruction of Starkiller Base.
Hopeford
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(09-13-2017, 08:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doukou

This should of been Captain Phasms's scene

Originally Posted by Chmpocalypse

That fight should have been with Phasma. Huge missed opportunity.


Originally Posted by Alex_Mexico

If they wanted for us to care about Phasma without having to scour for EU stories no one but the hardest of harcore will ever read they should've at least swapped the TRAITOR guy for Phasma (just not end it by killing her).

Its a crime that that nameless trooper was more memorable than Phasma.

I don't know. I think things worked better because the soldier was just a random guy. I would have half-expected Phasma to do what that random soldier did, but the fact that it was this randomass stormtrooper being like "FUCKING BRING IT BROSKI" made it super fun for me.

I hope against hope that he comes back later.
Mr_Antimatter
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(09-13-2017, 08:40 PM)
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IIRC, that wasn't a nameless trooper, but actual one of Finns squadmates. One of the other squadmates was the one who died at the start of the film in front of him.
Hopeford
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(09-13-2017, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr_Antimatter

IIRC, that wasn't a nameless trooper, but actual one of Finns squadmates. One of the other squadmates was the one who died at the start of the film in front of him.

I mean yeah, but that's all extra content we got from him later. In the movie, it's just this one guy who shows up and yells "TRAITOR" then goes 1-on-1 against a lightsaber. It looked *awesome.* It was my favorite moment of the movie.

Meanwhile, Phasma has this...I don't know how to explain it, just everything about her seems like a manufactured attempt at making her a fan favorite. It's like they are trying to forcibly make her a breakout character, which to me sorta makes it not really work.

It sorta felt like when the WWE tries to push someone as an underdog character, 'is what I'm trying to get at.
sphagnum
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(09-13-2017, 11:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by sflufan

I very much agree that the novel is interesting for the inside look that it gives into the First Order and its indoctrination/operation though be warned that Phasma's story is essentially told "third-hand" and you never gain any insight into her inner thoughts/character.

Also I'm really pleased that it appears that Cardinal survives at the end as I hope to see more of him in future media!

I would imagine that if Cardinal survived he would have told the Resistance about SKB. I'm sure he would have known about it since he was Hux's bodyguard and was equal in rank to Phasma.
Mr_Antimatter
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(09-13-2017, 11:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hopeford

I mean yeah, but that's all extra content we got from him later. In the movie, it's just this one guy who shows up and yells "TRAITOR" then goes 1-on-1 against a lightsaber. It looked *awesome.* It was my favorite moment of the movie.

Meanwhile, Phasma has this...I don't know how to explain it, just everything about her seems like a manufactured attempt at making her a fan favorite. It's like they are trying to forcibly make her a breakout character, which to me sorta makes it not really work.

It sorta felt like when the WWE tries to push someone as an underdog character, 'is what I'm trying to get at.

Absolutely. They obviously bet the farm merchandise/toy wise that Phasma, Kylo, and Poe would be the breakout characters.

While poe was fun, it was Rey and Finn, you know the main characters, who stole the show.

It was a massive fark up, and it doesn't appear that they are making the same mistake again.
SofNasciment-
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(09-13-2017, 11:40 PM)
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I always thought their aim with Phasma is exactly what happened with the traitor-shouting dude. A character that appears little but is widely remembered. If that was the case, they failed big time.

But I'm curious, what is the explanation for her sabotage of the First Order base?
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(09-13-2017, 11:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by QuantumZebra

Star Wars x Mad Max???

Fucking sold.

I mean, you'd think so, but the book is boring as fuck until the very end.
Kilvin
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(09-13-2017, 11:52 PM)
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Delilah S. Dawson is the author, yes?
MadLaughter
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(09-13-2017, 11:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by SofNasciment-

I always thought their aim with Phasma is exactly what happened with the traitor-shouting dude. A character that appears little but is widely remembered. If that was the case, they failed big time.

But I'm curious, what is the explanation for her sabotage of the First Order base?

She doesn't give a fuck about the first order's 'mission', and likely doesn't care at all about anyone else in it. She is part of it because her entire life before the first order boiled down to 2 things: violence and survival. Almost everyone she'd ever met she had to be violent to protect and then they let her down, eventually hardening her. She shouts at another character "Your loyalty is DISGUSTING" as she is stabbing the fuck out of them, and when called a monster she does not deny it, instead saying that everyone is a monster.
DiipuSurotu
(09-13-2017, 11:59 PM)
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Would be nice if some of this characterization were in the actual films
Snaku
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(09-14-2017, 12:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by MadLaughter

She doesn't give a fuck about the first order's 'mission', and likely doesn't care at all about anyone else in it. She is part of it because her entire life before the first order boiled down to 2 things: violence and survival. Almost everyone she'd ever met she had to be violent to protect and then they let her down, eventually hardening her. She shouts at another character "Your loyalty is DISGUSTING" as she is stabbing the fuck out of them, and when called a monster she does not deny it, instead saying that everyone is a monster.

And she murders her entire family to survive. Even murders her niece, who was training to become a FO Stormtrooper, to cover up her crimes.
aly
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(09-14-2017, 12:03 AM)
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Eh I read it and wasn't impressed. I'm just not feeling whatever they are trying to make her. Also it was mostly boring imo.
MadLaughter
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(09-14-2017, 12:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snaku

And she murders her entire family to survive. Even murders her niece, who was training to become a FO Stormtrooper, to cover up her crimes.

Later chapter character death spoilers about how few fucks she gives she literally wears the extracted nutrients/essence of her dead parents as facepaint for a little bit
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TheChewyWaffles
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(09-14-2017, 12:08 AM)
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I can't take her seriously due to the way she went out like a chump in 7.
Jeff Albertson
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(09-14-2017, 12:13 AM)
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I think they have plans for her, based on nothing but the fact she leads stormtroopers on a march through Hollywood Studios 4 times a day at Disneyworld.

And the costume is awesome
MadLaughter
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(09-14-2017, 12:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheChewyWaffles

I can't take her seriously due to the way she went out like a chump in 7.

Author knows this is a thing:

https://twitter.com/delilahsdawson/s...09723537211392

https://twitter.com/delilahsdawson/s...09932111548416
Balphon
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(09-14-2017, 12:15 AM)
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They really really want her to be Boba Fett 2.0.
ZackieChan
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(09-14-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Can't believe I just bought a Star Wars novel. This better be good!
a916
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(09-14-2017, 12:16 AM)
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Her visual design matched her level of importance in the film
SofNasciment-
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(09-14-2017, 12:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by MadLaughter

She doesn't give a fuck about the first order's 'mission', and likely doesn't care at all about anyone else in it. She is part of it because her entire life before the first order boiled down to 2 things: violence and survival. Almost everyone she'd ever met she had to be violent to protect and then they let her down, eventually hardening her. She shouts at another character "Your loyalty is DISGUSTING" as she is stabbing the fuck out of them, and when called a monster she does not deny it, instead saying that everyone is a monster.

So basically for her survival > anything? That's an interesting explanation actually.
antispin
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(09-14-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Can someone link the book please?
TheChewyWaffles
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(09-14-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by antispin

Can someone link the book please?

https://www.amazon.com/Phasma-Star-W...star+wars+book
MadLaughter
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(09-14-2017, 12:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by SofNasciment-

So basically for her survival > anything? That's an interesting explanation actually.

Its that, but there's something else that must keep her from taking some cash and just retiring to an easy life somewhere. I think that she has only ever known violence, violence has always worked for her. She comes from so little that I think anytime she sees something better than she has she knows it's going to be hers, one way or another. It's represented by the envy that's implied the first time she sees a storm trooper. She's like a hermit crab upgrading shells if that hermit crab liked to behead the other crabs.
antispin
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(09-14-2017, 12:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheChewyWaffles

https://www.amazon.com/Phasma-Star-W...star+wars+book

Thanks
sflufan
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(09-14-2017, 12:25 AM)
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And be sure to read the 4-issue limited series as well which starts with her escape from the garbage disposal.

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Star-...5345111&sr=1-4
SofNasciment-
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(09-14-2017, 12:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by MadLaughter

Its that, but there's something else that must keep her from taking some cash and just retiring to an easy life somewhere. I think that she has only ever known violence, violence has always worked for her. She comes from so little that I think anytime she sees something better than she has she knows it's going to be hers, one way or another. It's represented by the envy that's implied the first time she sees a storm trooper. She's like a hermit crab upgrading shells if that hermit crab liked to behead the other crabs.

Gratitude for the answers, dude.
golem
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(09-14-2017, 12:38 AM)
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Thanks OP, fell off the new Star Wars fiction reading wagon for a bit since most of it turned out damn bland but this sounds good.
Snaku
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(09-14-2017, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by golem

Thanks OP, fell off the new Star Wars fiction reading wagon for a bit since most of it turned out damn bland but this sounds good.

It's really not as interesting or exciting as OP makes it out to be.
Kayo Police
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(09-14-2017, 12:43 AM)
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Thanks for this OP, currently listening to the audiobook.
MadLaughter
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(09-14-2017, 12:44 AM)
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For me the implications and end results were the highlight, and I thought it was a cool character study with a neat framing device. I listened to the audiobook which might have smoothed over less exciting parts? It has pretty good production values, too.
golem
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(09-14-2017, 12:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Snaku

It's really not as interesting or exciting as OP makes it out to be.

Damnit! Maybe I'll give it a read after Blood Sweat and Pixels then
a916
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(09-14-2017, 01:39 AM)
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I came into this thread... went to Amazon to order... thought about it for a second... then grabbed the new Claudia Grey book, Leia, Princess of Alderaan.

Will have to grab this as well from the sounds of it.
CS_Dan
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(09-14-2017, 09:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by sphagnum

I would imagine that if Cardinal survived he would have told the Resistance about SKB. I'm sure he would have known about it since he was Hux's bodyguard and was equal in rank to Phasma.

Cardinal was kept mainly to training up kids by the sounds of it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was kept out of the loop about SKB, especially once Phasma stole his thunder.
Unit 33
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(09-14-2017, 09:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by CS_Dan

Cardinal was kept mainly to training up kids by the sounds of it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was kept out of the loop about SKB, especially once Phasma stole his thunder.

Yeah, it seemed like he was kept out of any decision making, and his own limited role in teaching the youngest 'recruits' had slipped drastically since Phasma arrived.
Hux Junior said that Cardinal was pretty much a moron, and it says a lot that he had only recently become suspicious about Hux Senior's obviously suspicious death.
I think he mentions that he pretty much spends his entire time on that one Star Destroyer too.
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(09-14-2017, 09:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Unit 33

Yeah, it seemed like he was kept out of any decision making, and his own limited role in teaching the youngest 'recruits' had slipped drastically since Phasma arrived.
Hux Junior said that Cardinal was pretty much a moron, and it says a lot that he had only recently become suspicious about Hux Senior's obviously suspicious death.
I think he mentions that he pretty much spends his entire time on that one Star Destroyer too.


I wonder if we'll see him in Filoni's next project. Seems to fit the same role as Kallus in Rebels.
Unit 33
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(09-14-2017, 09:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by CS_Dan


I wonder if we'll see him in Filoni's next project. Seems to fit the same role as Kallus in Rebels.

I have been thinking along a similar line, since a lot of the new canon books have introduced characters whose stories are as of yet unfinished, like Hazram Namir from Twilight Company... or folks from Aftermath
Monocle
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(09-16-2017, 04:18 AM)
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I'm not going to read the whole thread until I'm done with the book. I'm 9 chapters in and it's decent so far. The 3rd-person account of Phasma's past creates a certain distance from her character. Up to chapter 10 there's only been one clear example of how ruthless she is. We can infer how she thinks and feels but it's not explored in depth.

The torture is lightweight stuff compared to my favorite Star Wars book, Traitor. That's perfectly fine for the character dynamics at play, though, while the book is aiming to establish Phasma's origin story.

I hope this gets darker and more personal soon.

Originally Posted by Haloid1177

If I remember correctly they did a casting change last minute and that's why her screen time is so limited. I have faith she'll be used correctly in TLJ.

I sure hope so. I'd like to see the casting pay off. Gwendoline Christie is perfect for the role.
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sphagnum
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(09-16-2017, 04:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by CS_Dan

Cardinal was kept mainly to training up kids by the sounds of it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was kept out of the loop about SKB, especially once Phasma stole his thunder.

He was in charge of all training prior to Phasma arriving though.
Bobby Roberts
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(09-16-2017, 05:03 AM)
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This book is maybe the oddest entry into EITHER version of the EU I think I've read. It just doesn't feel like a Star Wars book at all.

I like that.
sphagnum
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(09-16-2017, 05:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bobby Roberts

This book is maybe the oddest entry into EITHER version of the EU I think I've read. It just doesn't feel like a Star Wars book at all.

I like that.

The Crystal Star.

edit: In terms of it as literature, as a book itself though, I think you might be right. It's very distinct.
Bobby Roberts
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(09-16-2017, 05:17 AM)
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I didn't read that
sphagnum
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(09-16-2017, 05:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bobby Roberts

I didn't read that

It's the one where a guy tries to sacrifice the Solo kids to an interdimensional jello mold.
Bobby Roberts
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(09-16-2017, 05:19 AM)
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Vonda McIntyre, right?

I think I'd read some of her Star Trek books when I was little.
sphagnum
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(09-16-2017, 05:22 AM)
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Yep!

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