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ryseing
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(09-13-2017, 07:03 AM)

Originally Posted by Joni

They had to be sacrificed for the greatness that is current CW. .

"Greatness"

"Mediocre DC television"

I love Riverdale to death
Nabs
(09-13-2017, 07:03 AM)
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I'll never forgive Fox for what they did to New York Undercover.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 07:05 AM)
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It is amazing how The Game lasted so long and through 2 channels

Fun fact Kelsey Grammar aka Fraiser produced Girlfriends and The Game
NipplesAndToes23
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(09-13-2017, 07:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

The Seinfield stat shocked me, it shouldn't have but it did.

Mentioning that I don't see how people can watch Seinfeld or Friends. In that division talk I start to think about within that genre I can't watch the vast majority of those white shows. Roseanne, Married with Children, and that 70s Show were the only ones I watched, but those were on rare occasions. I tried to go back to That 70s Show, but I got bored.
Deepwater
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(09-13-2017, 07:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

It is amazing how The Game lasted so long and through 2 channels

I remember following some of the Game after it went to BET and shit was legit funny. It had its up and downs (you gotta basically ignore Derwin and Melanie's melodrama). The show got good after they put some characters on a bus and introduced some new ones, like Chardonnay/Brandy
SixFourMike
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(09-13-2017, 07:10 AM)
A lot of the shows I did get to watch in the UK were on a channel called Trouble, and when that folded it was all over. This thread gives me the perspective that it disappeared with black sitcoms. The few episodes of Martin I've seen were on Trouble. They mixed old and new there. But most importantly, they aired My Wife And Kids. So good. Wish it was on disc release.

Originally Posted by Slayven

Seinfield has it moments, but I have never been able to laugh at Friends. Makes me cringe way too much.

I enjoy Friends, but there are some really bad parts that people seem to love. The first one that comes to mind is David Schwimmer shouting "Pivot" on a staircase.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 07:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

Mentioning that I don't see how people can watch Seinfeld or Friends. In that division talk I start to think about within that genre I can't watch the vast majority of those white shows. Roseanne, Married with Children, and that 70s Show were the only ones I watched, but those were on rare occasions. I tried to go back to That 70s Show, but I got bored.

Seinfield has it moments, but I have never been able to laugh at Friends. Makes me cringe way too much.

Originally Posted by Deepwater

I remember following some of the Game after it went to BET and shit was legit funny. It had its up and downs (you gotta basically ignore Derwin and Melanie's melodrama). The show got good after they put some characters on a bus and introduced some new ones, like Chardonnay/Brandy

When Brandy came in is when i fell. off. But I like Coby Bell, even if he is Coby Bell in everything.

Originally Posted by SixFourMike

A lot of the shows I did get to watch in the UK were on a channel called Trouble, and when that folded it was all over. This thread gives me the perspective that it disappeared with black sitcoms. The few episodes of Martin I've seen were on Trouble. They mixed old and new there. But most importantly, they aired My Wife And Kids. So good. Wish it was on disc release.

My wife and kids was my jam. Junior was a star.
kirblar
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(09-13-2017, 07:14 AM)
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Friends has aged very very badly.

Frasier/Seinfeld are still amazing.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 07:16 AM)
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As a black kid, you know what sitcoms i loved for no real reason that i can understand?

Wings and Mad About You.
Deepwater
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(09-13-2017, 07:17 AM)
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I would also posit that while it's fine to lament our golden age of black sitcoms, we need not ache for another. I, for one, enjoy the current age of black creatives getting to do shit other than have a formulaic comedy show that's the same shit with a different coat of paint.

I want to see more black dramas + other genres, and it pissed me off some black people were hating on shows like Empire, Dear White People, etc. because they weren't A Different World or the Fresh Prince. At least give me nonsituational comedies like Atlanta or Black Jesus.
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(09-13-2017, 07:17 AM)
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I don't see how y'all like My Wife and Kids. My lil brother likes it too, but I think it's just straight up corny.


In the video they mentioned Between Brothers peaked at #1 during a time which I find weird because I don't even remember that show.
Deepwater
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(09-13-2017, 07:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

I don't see how y'all like My Wife and Kids. My lil brother likes it too, but I think it's just straight up corny.


In the video they mentioned Between Brothers peaked at #1 during a time which I find weird because I don't even remember that show.

I like My Wife and Kids, but I legit hate how they treat Jr. on that show that I honestly feel bad for laughing at it.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 07:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

I don't see how y'all like My Wife and Kids. My lil brother likes it too, but I think it's just straight up corny.


In the video they mentioned Between Brothers peaked at #1 during a time which I find weird because I don't even remember that show.

I watched a lot of tv, and I don't even remember that show even after googling.

Originally Posted by Deepwater

I like My Wife and Kids, but I legit hate how they treat Jr. on that show that I honestly feel bad for laughing at it.

The dude that plays Junior plays that part so well. Especially when they got a little back and forth going
hateradio
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(09-13-2017, 07:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by LionPride

GIRLFRIENDS WAS SO. FUCKING. GOOD.

It had its moments, but it felt a bit mediocre at times.

If it were now on HBO, I think it would be better.
ChubbyHuggs
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(09-13-2017, 07:45 AM)
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Was talking to a friend about how there use to be a lot more black sitcoms back in the day. You had Moesha, Girlfriends, "Sister, Sister," The Parker's, Malcom and Eddie, The Hughleys, The Steve Harvey Show. Shit, even Cedric had a show for a while. Those were just on the basic channels too.
Tence
(09-13-2017, 07:48 AM)

Originally Posted by SecretMoblin

once the community turned on Brandy it was all over tbh


Moesha >>>>> your faves

Well tbh, Monica > Brandy. The boy was hers.

I loved Moesha btw :D
DaBargainHunta
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(09-13-2017, 07:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Deepwater

ninja edit: I don't even know if I have it in me to watch a regular "lets reuse the same set w/ the same camera angle" show anymore. It's boring. It's tried. Part of the reason I couldn't get into the Carmichael show

That's a shame that you didn't stick with it, because the budget apparently opened up after the first season and there were several more sets/locations after that.
King Tubby
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(09-13-2017, 07:54 AM)
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I must've watched hundreds of hours of Family Matters and Fresh Prince of Bel-Air as a kid. Those shows feel alien relative to what I watch now.

I know there are people who watch shows like The Big Bang Theory, or Blackish, but I don't know any of them.
Prototype Viktor
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(09-13-2017, 07:57 AM)
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Party of Five is still there best black sitcom
sfedai0
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(09-13-2017, 08:08 AM)
For me it was a combination of family themed wholesomeness and the fact that as a kid, skin color just didnt factor. If the show was funny and relateable, I tuned in. Luckily at that time period, I got to watch Cosby, Fresh Prince, and Family Matters.

The later black sitcoms never had quite the same ability to draw me in. I think the only one I watched somewhat regularly was Martin.
LookAtMeGo
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(09-13-2017, 08:24 AM)
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I was pretty big on Family Matters. Married With Children and Cheers were up there as well. Fresh Prince will always be top 5.
Shambala
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(09-13-2017, 08:27 AM)
Wayans bros also. Man good memories...
smurfx
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(09-13-2017, 08:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kimawolf

YEP.

Martin, Living Single, NY Undercover. bomb line up.

i never got into new york undercover. i almost watched fox exclusively when i was younger. wonder what i watched after it came on.
gun_haver
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(09-13-2017, 09:07 AM)
yeah man, when I was a little kid MOST of the sitcoms i watched were all/mostly black casts. and this is in the 90's, in scotland. i was wondering what happened when i took a look at the kind of stuff on now - it's all rich white kids in unrealistic scenarios. seems awful in comparison. i'm not saying the shows i watched were good, they weren't, but the stuff on now is terrible and also just gross.
KO Traveling Hobo
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(09-13-2017, 09:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Advocatus Diaboli

Even as a white dude, I remember watching the shit out of Living Single (legit better than Friends) and Martin. Never watched Moesha, though.

Plus, if they count, all of the shows more age appropriate for me back then: Sister Sister, Family Matters, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper, The Jamie Foxx Show, and -- of course -- Fresh Prince.

And I remember my dad introducing me to Sanford & Son and The Jeffersons.

Jesus. Just listing that out, all of those memorable shows, they really have dried up.

Damn. I haven't thought about Sister, Sister in forever. I used to watch it almost every day.
Earthpainting
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(09-13-2017, 09:43 AM)
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Family sitcoms just went out of style with the rising popularity of reality TV. A large part of the 90s sitcom scene was based on subversions of the family sitcoms of the decades before it. This was a good set-up to connect with the zeitgeist of the time, but it is a set-up with an expiration date. You can only play off the "TV establishment" for so long, as if you survive long enough, you become the new "TV establishment". This is the same phenomenon that turned The Simpsons into the husk it is today. Mockumentaries, cringe comedies, and whatever the next iteration of shock humour was took up the torch of the family sitcom, but I'm not sure if they were as successful in the ratings as their predecessors.

Specifically speaking about black sitcoms, I think My Wife and Kids was the last one I watched. It's a little bit old-school and Milquetoast, but it had its moments. People bringing up dramas is interesting though. Now that TV dramas are more popular, the lack of black dramas does stand out.
jfkgoblue
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(09-13-2017, 09:51 AM)
Multi-camera sitcoms are basically dead at this point in general. The only big one left is TBBT.

Also, the quality of TV programming has never been better than it is now. It's just not exclusively on broadcast channels. There are still a few high quality broadcast shows(such as This is Us), but look at basic cable, streaming and premiums, there are a ridiculous amount of high quality TV. From comedies(such as Silicon Valley on HBO) to a huge amount of dramas(Better Call Saul may be the greatest TV show ever created) hell even adult cartoons such as Rick and Morty on Adult Swim or Bojack Horseman on Netflix.

And with modern ways of viewing TV(DVR, on demand and streaming), it's never been more consumer friendly. The TV landscape has simply evolved.

Originally Posted by Earthpainting

Family sitcoms just went out of style with the rising popularity of reality TV. A large part of the 90s sitcom scene was based on subversions of the family sitcoms of the decades before it. This was a good set-up to connect with the zeitgeist of the time, but it is a set-up with an expiration date. You can only play off the "TV establishment" for so long, as if you survive long enough, you become the new "TV establishment". This is the same phenomenon that turned The Simpsons into the husk it is today. Mockumentaries, cringe comedies, and whatever the next iteration of shock humour was took up the torch of the family sitcom, but I'm not sure if they were as successful in the ratings as their predecessors.

Specifically speaking about black sitcoms, I think My Wife and Kids was the last one I watched. It's a little bit old-school and Milquetoast, but it had its moments. People bringing up dramas is interesting though. Now that TV dramas are more popular, the lack of black dramas does stand out.

There are a few black dramas such as Empire or Atlanta, but TV today isn't separated nearly as much as it was in the 90's in regards to race. It's more about targeting age demos. Dramas as a whole tend to be fairly diverse.
rockinreelin
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(09-13-2017, 11:49 AM)
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I loved girlfriends, such a well written show with great characters and actors. it was almost like a drama at times with the plots but never melodramatic.
vocab
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(09-13-2017, 11:51 AM)
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My brother and me was so cheesy for a kids show, I wish they made more of it.
Travo
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(09-13-2017, 11:51 AM)
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Reading the thread title, I thought this was going to be about when The Jeffersons, Good Times and Sanford and Son were on.
Muppet of a Man
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(09-13-2017, 12:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Count Dookkake

So what's happening now?



That's good. How the fuck did no one else pick up on this?

Rerun, Raj, Dwayne, Shirley. Oh man, those were the shows of my childhood. You all must be young.
Succinct Verbosity
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(09-13-2017, 12:05 PM)
Has there ever been a HD remaster of the fresh prince of bel air? I'd re-watch the shit out of that.
LeroyPantwether
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(09-13-2017, 12:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by vocab

My brother and me was so cheesy for a kids show, I wish they made more of it.

Aww Kendall Geeeeeeeeeeel
NoName999
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(09-13-2017, 12:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

I don't see how y'all like My Wife and Kids. My lil brother likes it too, but I think it's just straight up corny.

Someone only saw the post-Franklin episodes, it seems.
DeaconKnowledge
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(09-13-2017, 12:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by akilshohen

I don't understand why Girlfriends was canceled. CW destroyed UPN's lineup.

Girlfriends fell off when Toni left the show. Her relationship with Joan was the best part of the show and it lost all the conflict when she left. I tried but I just couldn't finish it.

Originally Posted by Deepwater

I remember following some of the Game after it went to BET and shit was legit funny. It had its up and downs (you gotta basically ignore Derwin and Melanie's melodrama). The show got good after they put some characters on a bus and introduced some new ones, like Chardonnay/Brandy

I hated the Game on BET. They got rid of TT!
MisterHero
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(09-13-2017, 12:56 PM)
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I'm watching Me Myself and I in hopes that it's success brings back the Urkel
gun_haver
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(09-13-2017, 01:18 PM)

Originally Posted by Earthpainting

Now that TV dramas are more popular, the lack of black dramas does stand out.

yeah, it really does come to think of it. I suppose there's the wire but that isn't really just a black show, huge white cast too and the nominal main character is McNulty.

one of the cable networks should step on that.
creatchee
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(09-13-2017, 02:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shambala

Wayans bros also. Man good memories...

I'm sad it took this long to get a mention. Pops was awesome.
Chindogg
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(09-13-2017, 02:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by norm9

Roc always seemed like a drama to me and it was on forever.

Roc was a sitcom that got real a lot. I miss Roc.

Originally Posted by ryseing

"Greatness"

"Mediocre DC television"

Fair argument...

I love Riverdale to death

...completely lost because that series is also indulgent trash.
JustSurvive
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(09-13-2017, 02:28 PM)
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I would say you could expand this to simply sitcoms in general as the majority are bad and have been bad for a long time.
OG Loc
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(09-13-2017, 02:33 PM)
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The Bernie Mac show is easily in the top 3.

Fight me if you disagree.
sixteen-bit
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(09-13-2017, 02:36 PM)
I'm sad A Different World is no longer on Netflix
bigDdestruction
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(09-13-2017, 02:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

I don't see how y'all like My Wife and Kids. My lil brother likes it too, but I think it's just straight up corny.


In the video they mentioned Between Brothers peaked at #1 during a time which I find weird because I don't even remember that show.

Thank you! I thought i was the only one that thought my wife and kids is kinda wack. I just didn't enjoy it all that much. I'm a big Martin and The Parkers fan. Jokes were always on point, especially with The Parkers. A damn shame they never got released on DVD. I totally would've bought them.
olubode
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(09-13-2017, 02:41 PM)

Originally Posted by hateradio

It had its moments, but it felt a bit mediocre at times.

If it were now on HBO, I think it would be better.

It's called Insecure and it's great
zelas
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(09-13-2017, 03:23 PM)

Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo

Damn. I haven't thought about Sister, Sister in forever. I used to watch it almost every day.

Teacher had us write a fan letter to a celebrity in the fourth grade. Nobody was more important to me than the Tamara sisters at the time.
PixelatedBookake
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(09-13-2017, 03:30 PM)
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I sometimes think that Everybody Hates Chris doesn't get enough praise. My sister and I watched that show religiously.
LegendofJoe
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(09-13-2017, 03:40 PM)
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I watched a ton of Fresh Prince, Martin, and Family Matters growing up. All of them were excellent and well worth watching.

As for today I don't have much time for tv, but I've been meaning to get around to watching Atlanta.
MugiwaraCole
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(09-13-2017, 03:46 PM)
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I just finished rewatching The Bernie Mac Show in its entirety on Netflix a couple months back. That one don't get enough love IMO. RIP, Bernie.

Thanks for the video, OP, I'll check it out later.
NipplesAndToes23
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(09-14-2017, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by bigDdestruction

Thank you! I thought i was the only one that thought my wife and kids is kinda wack. I just didn't enjoy it all that much. I'm a big Martin and The Parkers fan. Jokes were always on point, especially with The Parkers. A damn shame they never got released on DVD. I totally would've bought them.

I can't agree with you on The Parkers. I watched it, but that's low tier to me. Can't compare to Martin.

I remember like every prominent black actor from the 90s had made an appearance on The Cosby Show back in the day. I don't really get why Cosby got so popular. I could never get into it and it feels like a black sitcom made for white audiences.
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(09-14-2017, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Galang

I'm glad that we've at least been getting so many black shows that are amazing lately. Insecure, Atlanta, Dear White People are all quite amazing so far.



Fixed for accuracy! I loved Moesha too

You're the best fam

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