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NipplesAndToes23
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(09-13-2017, 06:00 AM)
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YouTube channel AJ+ made a video a couple days ago discussing the emergence and fall of the golden age of black sitcoms in the 1990s. Presented by Imaeyen Ibanga, the video goes over how The Cosby sparked the creation of black sitcoms in the 90s to their peak in popularity to the decline caused by the emergence of gentrification and reality shows.


She also discusses how this period created a distinct difference in viewership in black and white households for the first time ever. We see how probable the resurgence of the representation from the 90s is with modern examples like Atlanta, Blackish, and Dear White People.

Here is a quote from author Kristal Zook about why some of the 90s black sitcoms were cancelled early in their lifespan.

Fox Network that aired the majority of the black shows cancelled them because Fox was then in a position to court white audiences.

Here's the link for the video again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEiXGrqoFMs
Captin Quacker
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(09-13-2017, 06:02 AM)
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Fox Network that aired the majority of the black shows cancelled them because Fox was then in a position to court white audiences.

/thread?
SecretMoblin
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(09-13-2017, 06:03 AM)
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once the community turned on Brandy it was all over tbh


Moesha >>>>> your faves


y'all need to buy Two Eleven TODAY and repent
Galang
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(09-13-2017, 06:04 AM)
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I'm glad that we've at least been getting so many black shows that are amazing lately. Insecure, Atlanta, Dear White People are all quite amazing so far.

Originally Posted by SecretMoblin

once the community turned on Brandy it was all over tbh


The Parkers >>>>> your faves

Fixed for accuracy! I loved Moesha too
ElectricMonk
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(09-13-2017, 06:06 AM)
Fox bailed out, UPN (who did a ton) & WB merged. Plus sitcoms in general plummeted in numbers.
Professor Beef
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(09-13-2017, 06:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Galang

I'm glad that we've at least been getting so many black shows that are amazing lately. Insecure, Atlanta, Dear White People are all quite amazing so far.



Fixed for accuracy! I loved Moesha too

The Parkers ain't SHIT
DaBargainHunta
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(09-13-2017, 06:07 AM)
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NBC tried again recently with The Carmichael Show. It was fantastic, but nobody watched it. It was unfortunately cancelled after three superb seasons.
Captin Quacker
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(09-13-2017, 06:07 AM)
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Martin was the best
NipplesAndToes23
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(09-13-2017, 06:08 AM)
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She did omit the Tyler Perry produced ones, but I can understand as they're terrible and probably not that popular with the channel's targeted age group.
border
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(09-13-2017, 06:09 AM)
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Were black dramas ever popular? I am trying to think if there is a previous show that was equivalent to Empire.
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(09-13-2017, 06:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Professor Beef

The Parkers ain't SHIT

*shrugs* I liked the Parkers
Johndoey
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(09-13-2017, 06:11 AM)

Originally Posted by Galang

I'm glad that we've at least been getting so many black shows that are amazing lately. Insecure, Atlanta, Dear White People are all quite amazing so far.



Fixed for accuracy! I loved Moesha too

Parkers over Moesha?

Everyday we stray further from the Lord's light.
norm9
(09-13-2017, 06:11 AM)
The age of cheap reality shows happened.

Everbody Hates Chris put up a great fight though. I love that show.
Big Green Anus
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(09-13-2017, 06:14 AM)
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Martin is still one of the best shows on TV.
Captin Quacker
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(09-13-2017, 06:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by border

Were black dramas ever popular? I am trying to think if there is a previous show that was equivalent to Empire.

Soul food the series?
norm9
(09-13-2017, 06:18 AM)

Originally Posted by border

Were black dramas ever popular? I am trying to think if there is a previous show that was equivalent to Empire.

Roc always seemed like a drama to me and it was on forever.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 06:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by border

Were black dramas ever popular? I am trying to think if there is a previous show that was equivalent to Empire.

New York undercover
norm9
(09-13-2017, 06:19 AM)

Originally Posted by Slayven

New York undercover

Oh shit, I haven't thought about this cop show in so long. It was the coolest show.
Lulubop
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(09-13-2017, 06:19 AM)
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Martin is legit great, though I prefer the Wayans bros no matter how bad it is.
NipplesAndToes23
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(09-13-2017, 06:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Big Green Anus

Martin is still one of the best shows on TV.

My personal 2nd black sitcom.

Originally Posted by Captin Quacker

Soul food the series?

That's my shit right there, but can't stand the son in that version he is corny and his hairline bothers me. Bird is the truth!

Originally Posted by Slayven

New York undercover

I was thinking that myself, but wondering if that counted. I haven't seen it in a while and couldn't remember if it just had one black character or a lot.
Boke1879
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(09-13-2017, 06:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

New York undercover

Fuck I miss NY Undercover
kirblar
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(09-13-2017, 06:21 AM)
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Micro-targeting demographics in the '00s. "Black" shows got sent to CW/UPN/cable because TV networks and advertisers were specifically targeting demos w/ their programming w/ far more precision than they previously did.

For instance, NBC's comedies like The Office continually got ratings that were very bad relative to other programming, but they stayed on season after season despite this because the audience that DID watch them was urban/suburban, educated, and had money. This led to them being very attractive to advertisers.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 06:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Boke1879

Fuck I miss NY Undercover

Fox Thursday nights use to be the shit
cordy
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(09-13-2017, 06:22 AM)
I miss those days.
Kimawolf
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(09-13-2017, 06:23 AM)

Originally Posted by Slayven

Fox Thursday nights use to be the shit


YEP.

Martin, Living Single, NY Undercover. bomb line up.
neptunes
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(09-13-2017, 06:24 AM)
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When I look back to the 90's I always wonder how the hell were TV execs able to take chances on so many black sitcoms? What was their line of thinking and how come we see less of it now?
akilshohen
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(09-13-2017, 06:27 AM)
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I don't understand why Girlfriends was canceled. CW destroyed UPN's lineup.
Boke1879
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(09-13-2017, 06:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

Fox Thursday nights use to be the shit

The last memory I had of that show was when Torres died.
OG Shaka Zulu
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(09-13-2017, 06:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by NipplesAndToes23

I was thinking that myself, but wondering if that counted. I haven't seen it in a while and couldn't remember if it just had one black character or a lot.

Malik Yoba and that Afro-Latina that was in Oz and Dexter.
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(09-13-2017, 06:30 AM)
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Even as a white dude, I remember watching the shit out of Living Single (legit better than Friends) and Martin. Never watched Moesha, though.

Plus, if they count, all of the shows more age appropriate for me back then: Sister Sister, Family Matters, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper, The Jamie Foxx Show, and -- of course -- Fresh Prince.

And I remember my dad introducing me to Sanford & Son and The Jeffersons.

Jesus. Just listing that out, all of those memorable shows, they really have dried up.
Dynomutt
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(09-13-2017, 06:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Captin Quacker

Martin was the best

Woo woo woo woo...
Woo woo woo woo...
Awww man.

Beadie Bead...

Tommy, you ain't got no job!

My favorite TV Show!
Barkley's Justice
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(09-13-2017, 06:34 AM)
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RIP Bernie Mack.
dlauv
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(09-13-2017, 06:37 AM)
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Was there anything more wholesome than Family Matters?
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 06:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by neptunes

When I look back to the 90's I always wonder how the hell did TV execs able to take chances on so many black sitcoms? What was their life of thinking and how come we see less of it now?

They got the coolness and didn't need them anymore
D i Z
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(09-13-2017, 06:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Barkley's Justice

RIP Bernie Mack.

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Brawly Likes to Brawl
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(09-13-2017, 06:43 AM)

Originally Posted by akilshohen

I don't understand why Girlfriends was canceled. CW destroyed UPN's lineup.

Losing Half & Half was a tragedy.
jwk94
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(09-13-2017, 06:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Advocatus Diaboli

Even as a white dude, I remember watching the shit out of Living Single (legit better than Friends) and Martin. Never watched Moesha, though.

Plus, if they count, all of the shows more age appropriate for me back then: Sister Sister, Family Matters, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper, The Jamie Foxx Show, and -- of course -- Fresh Prince.

And I remember my dad introducing me to Sanford & Son and The Jeffersons.

Jesus. Just listing that out, all of those memorable shows, they really have dried up.

I'm probably biased, but they don't really make sitcoms (black or otherwise) like they used to.
Deepwater
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(09-13-2017, 06:45 AM)
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The same thing that happened to the white sitcoms, people got tired of them. They had their last hurrah in the 00s no thanks to reality TV, and Dramedys took over in the 10s.

Big Bang Theory still manages to pull in 20 million viewers on average which is respectable. But that's bout the only blockbuster one anymore and the genre's market share is dwindling by the year. Blackish does well to stay near 10 million viewers
kendrid
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(09-13-2017, 06:47 AM)
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Blackish is good and covers current issues. Besides that..... crickets.
LionPride
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(09-13-2017, 06:48 AM)

Originally Posted by akilshohen

I don't understand why Girlfriends was canceled. CW destroyed UPN's lineup.

GIRLFRIENDS WAS SO. FUCKING. GOOD.
kirblar
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(09-13-2017, 06:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Deepwater

The same thing that happened to the white sitcoms, people got tired of them. They had their last hurrah in the 00s no thanks to reality TV, and Dramedys took over in the 10s.

Big Bang Theory still manages to pull in 20 million viewers on average which is respectable. But that's bout the only blockbuster one anymore and the genre's market share is dwindling by the year. Blackish does well to stay near 10 million viewers

Plenty of white sitcoms were on network TV in the '00s.
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 06:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by kendrid

Blackish is good and covers current issues. Besides that..... crickets.

Insecure, and Atlanta
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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(09-13-2017, 06:50 AM)

Originally Posted by LionPride

GIRLFRIENDS WAS SO. FUCKING. GOOD.

My brother was in love with Lyn.
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(09-13-2017, 06:52 AM)
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I read they're rebooting Living Single with Latifah's involvement so we might be on the verge of greatness once more!

Fresh Prince + Martin + Living Single triple threat back in the day, of course Moesha was great too.

Yeah we've been hurting since the late 90s in this genre.
Deepwater
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(09-13-2017, 06:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by kirblar

Plenty of white sitcoms were on network TV in the '00s.

I know, I'm not disputing that. There were several black sitcoms in the 00s too. Everybody Hates Chris, Bernie Mac Show, every other UPN show, The Game, all of Tyler Perry's shows.

Once Youtube and Netflix hit the market we saw more black creatives do things other than your regular ass sitcom

ninja edit: I don't even know if I have it in me to watch a regular "lets reuse the same set w/ the same camera angle" show anymore. It's boring. It's tried. Part of the reason I couldn't get into the Carmichael show
Slayven
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(09-13-2017, 06:57 AM)
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The Seinfield stat shocked me, it shouldn't have but it did.
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(09-13-2017, 07:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

Insecure, and Atlanta

Easily the best comedies on television right now. The fact that shit like big bang theory is so popular continues to prove we're in the darkest timeline
Joni
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(09-13-2017, 07:00 AM)
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They had to be sacrificed for the greatness that is current CW. I watched a lot of them when I was young but most of the ones that made it here weren't that good. Aside from everybody hates Chris and fresh prince.
Count Dookkake
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(09-13-2017, 07:00 AM)
So what's happening now?
Parallax
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(09-13-2017, 07:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Boke1879

The last memory I had of that show was when Torres died.

i think that was the jump off point for most people

when they changed the theme i knew that show was over

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