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Guess Who
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(09-13-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by BernardoOne

I wish regular vending machines started having NFC payment options, it would be very handy.

I used Google Wallet on vending machines in 2011.
Phrynobatrachus
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(09-13-2017, 06:12 PM)
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I'd happily take a sledgehammer to one of these if I saw it.
ItIsOkBro
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(09-13-2017, 06:15 PM)
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no better than a vending machine except to buy things you wouldn't want to buy from a vending machine, good lord
mightynine
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(09-13-2017, 06:15 PM)
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I guess calling it Automat would be too on the nose?
NullPointer
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(09-13-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Funky Papa

Man, I feel like some folks are still chasing that early .com money when you could get a few dozen millions just by promising a new, revolutionary concept to sell kitty litter through the interwebs.

Already get my kitty litter from the interwebs, and its a fucking godsend.

Amazon Prime Now FTW

On topic, I can't help but feel this is the way things are inevitably going. Walk in, walk out, cameras and other assorted tech determining what to charge people.
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Gaogaogao
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(09-13-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phrynobatrachus

I'd happily take a sledgehammer to one of these if I saw it.

yeah this seems way too easy

I wonder what japan thinks of these machines
KissVibes
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(09-13-2017, 06:20 PM)
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This is the shit I hate. The shit I absolutely, positively do not like.

Let's get the name out of the way. Absolutely cornball move calling this a bodega and using the bodega cat as a meme. Strikes me as two well off dudes that follow /r/blackpeopletwitter and think they know what's hip and cool with millennials. I bet the even did some surveys where they mysteriously found 90% (or more) of people that would call this unoffensive.

We did surveys in the Latin American community to understand if they felt the name was a misappropriation of that term or had negative connotations, and 97% said ‘no’. It’s a simple name and I think it works.

Well look at that.

My biggest issue with this is how fucking common it is for silicon valley guys to come out with some startup that talks about making life better that inherently makes life worse for people that fall into lower income brackets. These people are typically minorities too, making things even more tone deaf.

Bodegas are community staples. Relationship are built there with the people that work/own the shop and with people in your neighborhood that frequent the establishment too.

So let's replace those institutions with ikea-looking boxes bearing that Bodega name. Boxes that won't help you out when you need milk for your kids but are short on cash. Or will give you your first job working the register after school. Or will give you a place to dip into when someone from your neighborhood wants to fight for no reason.

Bodegas are the last real example of the American dream; People fulfilling a need in their own community and starting and owning their own business. So of course two Google bros are popping up, wanting to take the name and replace the an extension of your family in some ways with some soulless box.

They roll in with half-baked ideas like "what if Home Depot bought in and sent them to job sites??" Never really considering the people that are actually hurt. They get high off the idea of being a 'disruptor' and changing the way business is done or pushing progress forward. Forward where, my guys? To an antisocial society where we buy shit out of boxes? To a society where less middle class people have good jobs that service the community they're part of?

I'm sure their answers to these questions would be that they should get "training" for 'other fields' or that it's the governments responsibility to look out for those people I'm describing. To which I would agree, however we all have the same government but we certainly aren't governed the same. So what are you doing about that, you silicon valley dweebs.

I bet these dudes consider themselves liberal too. I bet they don't realize this is the shit that makes people turn away from the left because well off, left leaning people don't actually consider those at the bottom all that much.

This is a long post. I apologize. I'm just mad a lot these days.
Damaniel
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(09-13-2017, 06:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ernest

But the beset thing about bodegas are their FRESH-made sandwiches, sometimes with hot runny eggs and melty cheese - how are you gonna replicate that with you shitty little vending service?

But Silicon Valley doesn't do eggs and cheese - think organic quinoa, responsibly sourced kale and artisan tofu. Yum! (Yuck!)

(Only in Silicon Valley can a vending machine become a novel idea worth millions of dollars of venture capital. That bubble can't collapse soon enough.)
ProtomanNeo
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(09-13-2017, 06:20 PM)
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Came in thinking this was some replicator type thing that prepared meals.
Haly
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(09-13-2017, 06:23 PM)
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Isn't this basically a small scale implementation of the Amazon workerless grocery they did a video for some time back, where you go in, pick up items, and computer-vision cameras automatically deduct your credit card?
Wiped89
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(09-13-2017, 07:06 PM)
They literally have these in Italy now, and have had them for decades.

You can get medicine, plasters (band aids), hot food, drinks, condoms, nappies (diapers), all sorts of things, from the vending machines on the street through the night.

Congrats. You invented something that already exists.
Lights and Waves
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(09-13-2017, 07:09 PM)
I wish Japanese vending machine technology existed in the US.
Zoe
(09-13-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

They literally have these in Italy now, and have had them for decades.

You can get medicine, plasters (band aids), hot food, drinks, condoms, nappies (diapers), all sorts of things, from the vending machines on the street through the night.

Congrats. You invented something that already exists.

But are they all in the same machine? Do you still have to swipe/tap to pay for each item?
Duane Cunningham
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cagey

Most cities don't have the ubiquity of corner bodegas plus 24/7 Duane Reades found in the boroughs. It's certainly not everywhere you go in the rest of the country.

Dumping one of these things in the lobby of apartment buildings in other primary, secondary, or tertiary cities outside of NYC would theoretically offer an easy method of filling the emergency "out of _____" need without having to hop in your car and head to a grocer with late-night hours.

I doubt it's a profitable model given the limited selection, presumably high mark-ups, etc, but I get the idea.

Are you not counting gas station convenience stores? Because in most cities (including medium and smaller metros) those are everywhere, including way out in the burbs, usually 24 hour and at least in my city, they're prolific enough that there's always one within a very short drive if not walking distance.
mreddie
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(09-13-2017, 07:28 PM)
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Silicon Valley is filled innovators and stupid fucking idiots who do not get non tech people. These fucking dolts want to kill mom and pop shops and naming it Bodega, fuck off.
Ratrat
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(09-13-2017, 07:36 PM)
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I fail to see whats so exciting? Unmanned stores and hotels are ancient.

But you made a fucking vending machine.
They didnt reinvent shit.
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Imm0rt4l
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(09-13-2017, 07:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kid Kamikaze10

Literal gentrifying business model. Jesus...

Just stay away from NYC.

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itwasTuesday
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(09-13-2017, 07:42 PM)
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Yes say it with me
"BO-DE-GAS"
The Wart
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(09-13-2017, 07:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by KissVibes

This is the shit I hate. The shit I absolutely, positively do not like.
*SNIP*

As far as I can tell, this is basically an argument for stasis. Any change in how goods and services are delivered is going to have some negative effect on people whose livelihoods are organized around the status quo. But on the other hand, stasis in low-income communities is hardly something to celebrate. If a glorified vending machine can deliver goods more efficiently and more cheaply for people in low income people and therefore low income people choose to use glorified vending machines more and bodegas less, it's hard for me to see how those communities are being made, on net, less well-off.

If some VC guys decided that to encourage market adoption of their glorified vending machines, they were going to buy up a bunch of bodegas, close them, and replace them with their glorified vending machines, then yeah then maybe you have a problem. Especially if the bodegas are not owned by people in the communities they serve, which is probably usually the case. Or, more realistically, if they lobbied local governments to like change zoning laws to make it harder to open and run bodegas, like restaurant owners habitually do against food trucks.

In any case if bodegas serve multiple functions to the community that cannot be replicated by the glorified vending machine then bodegas will probably be fine. Given that regular vending machines certainly are not and never were threats to bodegas, I don't see why these would be either.
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Wiped89
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(09-13-2017, 07:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Zoe

But are they all in the same machine? Do you still have to swipe/tap to pay for each item?

All in the same machine. I think they accept cash and contactless cards.
Dynamite Shikoku
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(09-13-2017, 07:59 PM)
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Silicon Valley people really come from another planet
Herbspiceguy
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(09-13-2017, 08:03 PM)
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Definitely fits in the future/smart urban life.

I'd probably prefer a drone to deliver my daily consumer needs though.
AndyD
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(09-13-2017, 08:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Justin Bailey

This is the real kicker. If this actually works well then I could see it blowing up.

Wasn't there a similar recent article on self-driving minis-stores doing this same thing? You "summon" it with an app, or it stops in a neighborhood, people get on, pick up, get charged, exit.

Part of the issue with traditional vending machines is that they are limited in the products they carry, and they have complex dispensing mechanisms, so they are limited in amount of things they can easily sell. At least in the US.
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Atomic Playboy
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(09-13-2017, 08:06 PM)
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How often are people going to bodegas for toilet paper or detergent as opposed to, I don't know, cigarettes or beer? Alcohol and tobacco are huge sellers for corner stores, and unless I miss my guess, there's no way that local ordinances would allow for vending machines to stock those items. Without that, you're never replacing the corner store.

Also, vending machines get absolutely fucking destroyed all the time; there's a reason we don't just have vending machines everywhere, and it's because people deface them, vandalize them and break them. You're going to stick this on some random street corner in a bad part of town and leave it accessible 24 hours a day? It's going to be destroyed the first night. Your camera with "computer vision" isn't going to capture the faces of people wearing masks, is it?

What even is this nonsense?
Ninja Scooter
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Atomic Playboy

How often are people going to bodegas for toilet paper or detergent as opposed to, I don't know, cigarettes or beer? Alcohol and tobacco are huge sellers for corner stores, and unless I miss my guess, there's no way that local ordinances would allow for vending machines to stock those items. Without that, you're never replacing the corner store.

Also, vending machines get absolutely fucking destroyed all the time; there's a reason we don't just have vending machines everywhere, and it's because people deface them, vandalize them and break them. You're going to stick this on some random street corner in a bad part of town and leave it accessible 24 hours a day? It's going to be destroyed the first night. Your camera with "computer vision" isn't going to capture the faces of people wearing masks, is it?

What even is this nonsense?

These "Bodegas" are probably meant for affluent shopping centers and office buildings.
ghostofsparta
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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I have a hard time believing this isn't the future. A future where there are no more locally owned corner stores, but instead an automated mini store run by 2-3 large corporations. Tell me that isn't the future
Widdle Puppy
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(09-13-2017, 08:13 PM)
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Over engineered shit. I'm thinking of getting into tech. Seems like venture capitalists aren't very smart and will throw money at anything.
Lucario
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(09-13-2017, 08:13 PM)
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This is a minibar with a stupid name.

Stop funding ideas like this.
The Technomancer
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(09-13-2017, 08:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Widdle Puppy

Over engineered shit. I'm thinking of getting into tech. Seems like venture capitalists aren't very smart and will throw money at anything.

Only if you're well connected. That's the thing. Idiotic ideas get millions if the person doing it was involved with something successful once. Actual startups with revenue and profit struggle to find funding because they're out of the social scene noI'mnotbitteratallwhatareyoutalkingabout
Iksenpets
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(09-13-2017, 08:16 PM)
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I have to think these people know they're just scamming investors out of money with this shit at this point. Like, if this idea was workable, it would have happened with the vending machine tech that already exists. Attaching an app to it doesn't add some miraculous new functionality.

A vending machine just can't offer the variety of products that customers want from a local store like that, and probably can't keep well enough stocked on what it does have. Want diapers? Well, this machine only has room for one brand, and can only hold three things of them at a time, so they sold out and won't be refilled until the weekend.
BlastProcessing
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(09-13-2017, 08:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

These "Bodegas" are probably meant for affluent shopping centers and office buildings.

But because they are selling non-perishable items, it's the stuff that those people are either buying from big box stores or ordering online. I don't even think there is enough of a niche to support this thing. Like Jucero it's a dumb idea stacked on top of other dumb ideas.

We just live in an age where a stupid idea, given the correct name and font treatment, can pull down millions in VC funding.
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(09-13-2017, 08:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by BlastProcessing

But because they are selling non-perishable items, it's the stuff that those people are either buying from big box stores or ordering online. I don't even think there is enough of a niche to support this thing. Like Jucero it's a dumb idea stacked on top of other dumb ideas.

We just live in an age where a stupid idea, given the correct name and font treatment, can pull down millions in VC funding.

I mean, I'm not too sure the idea of vending machine, especially in well populated areas like shopping centers or office buildings, is all that bad. It doesn't seem to be a dated concept at all. My office has one and the thing is getting restocked every day. The execution of this one, from the name to the fact that unmanned snack shops already exist, isn't that great.
Brandson
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(09-13-2017, 08:28 PM)

Originally Posted by mclem

My first thought wasn't quite vending machine, and was in fact something a bit more akin to a modern hotel minibar that automatically charges the room. Still very, very similar, though - it just struck me as a more direct comparison.

Same here. I don't see any payment mechanism on the cabinet, so I guess the premises receives a bill whenever the cabinet is restocked? If it's by Google people though, they might integrate cameras to take pictures of your face, then bill you electronically based on that identification, and also potentially monitor your purchase habits to sell them to marketers. As a business model, I guess it makes sense. It's a little shady though.
mackattk
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(09-13-2017, 08:36 PM)
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What if you pick it up? can you put it back? Would the charge not go through?

If so, well lets just pick up a bag of cheez its. open the box, take the bag out put the box back in.

Oh there is Tide? Well let me just refill the bottle of Tide I brought with me, or just swap them out if it is the same bottle.
Orrichio
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(09-13-2017, 08:39 PM)
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So, it's an Automat basically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat
pigeon
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(09-13-2017, 08:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by BlastProcessing

But because they are selling non-perishable items, it's the stuff that those people are either buying from big box stores or ordering online. I don't even think there is enough of a niche to support this thing. Like Jucero it's a dumb idea stacked on top of other dumb ideas.

We just live in an age where a stupid idea, given the correct name and font treatment, can pull down millions in VC funding.

This is exactly what I think.

As a side effect of getting this dumb money they also get dumb articles on business websites.
The Technomancer
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(09-13-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by pigeon

This is exactly what I think.

As a side effect of getting this dumb money they also get dumb articles on business websites.

Fortunately their business model is fucking busted on a fundamental level
BernardoOne
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(09-13-2017, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Guess Who

I used Google Wallet on vending machines in 2011.

NFC payments haven't taken off much in my country yet I'm afraid.
blakep267
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(09-13-2017, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dr. Feel Good

This can work in specific areas. College campus, music festivals, the beach, etc. where there is limited competition and consumers are in a bind. but in high density public areas I think they need to be concerned of vandalism and way too much competition nearby... I mean a 7-11 would offer all of these things at likely a lower price.

The Amazon Go store seems more like the actual model of the future, but that is an extremely high up front cost that requires a large existing customer base.

I mean college campuses have 7-11, bodegas, campus stores etc all around

Edit. Didn't read the whole thing before posting
RinsFury
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(09-13-2017, 09:05 PM)
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I hope these things are destroyed wherever they are placed. What an awful idea.
NimbusD
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(09-13-2017, 09:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by VeryGooster

Leave the bodegas alone, you fucking leeches.

Literally just shitty PR meant to get people to talk about it like this.

It's a vending machine. Call it whatever you want, make it out of whatever fancy materials you want and invent complicated payment methods people don't want to use.... it's a vending machine.
Kite
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(09-13-2017, 09:16 PM)
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So.. one of these?



Anyhow my old university already has something like this in actual use, maybe I can get a buddy to take a pic of a real life one.
MsKrisp
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(09-13-2017, 09:17 PM)
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Trying to make corner stores "a thing of the past" with a fucking fancy cabinet. Ugh. I could see the usefulness of this in places like dorms, but come on.
Zoe
(09-13-2017, 09:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kite

So.. one of these?



Anyhow my old university already has something like this in actual use, maybe I can get a buddy to take a pic of a real life one.

The payment system is completely different.
Duane Cunningham
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(09-13-2017, 09:19 PM)
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Good listen that was in one of the twitter thread replies. A day in the life of a Bodega. It's about an hour long.


http://latinousa.org/2015/02/20/1508...in-the-bodega/
Massive Duck, C.M.
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(09-13-2017, 09:21 PM)
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Seems like an odd decision to try to steal "bodega" for branding since people who actually know what bodegas are won't be into this and the kind of people who'd be into this would probably be wary of anything Spanish-sounding lol
JustenP88
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(09-13-2017, 09:25 PM)
I went to a fancy school I worked at Google fuck your small business I made a cabinet.
BomberMouse
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(09-13-2017, 09:28 PM)
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Fuck this shit, yet I guess it'll be a hit if they pull it off. This is to bodegas what chipotle is to mexican restaurants.
SinCityAssassin
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(09-13-2017, 09:29 PM)
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What stops me from taking more than I paid for.
jellies_two
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(09-13-2017, 09:30 PM)
It took 6 hours before they apologized for the name on medium. Ok not on medium
But https://blog.bodega.ai/so-about-our-name-aa5bff63a92d
Sorry it may have been posted already.

It feels like society is getting a bit tired of giving tech people a free pass on everything they dream up.
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