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hipbabboom
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(09-13-2017, 07:23 PM)
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I'm wondering if the idea that willful ignorance to prevent hypothetical fears from becoming reality is nothing more than a cowardly reaction to not being able to responsibly handle knowledge. I was hoping to hear some thoughts from others on this.

I was watching a program where I heard an except from a book written by Richard Feynman regarding his part in the creation of the atom bomb. He uses an analogy about how every man is given keys to the gates of heaven but how those same keys can also open the gates of hell. Here, I understood the keys are knowledge and heaven and hell represent positive and negative application of said knowledge.

It's really common to point to Nazi experimentation to point to, not only the negative application of knowledge, but to also to how knowledge acquired through negative means also weigh on ethnicity of use of the knowledge. This got me to wondering if there is knowledge that's forever trapped in nescience simply because the hypothetical means of acquiring it and the potential application of it are simply too negative? In such a situation, trying to extend the keys analogy, wouldn't there also be a positive means and a positive application for such knowledge?
SG-17
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(09-13-2017, 07:24 PM)
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All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.
daviyoung
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(09-13-2017, 07:24 PM)
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Burning coal, oil or gas for energy.
Creating plastic.
Industrial farming.
sphagnum
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(09-13-2017, 07:25 PM)
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how magnets work
Chojin
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(09-13-2017, 07:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.

So what happens when other sentient species are known?


Also Anime. Miyazaki.gif
MetroidPrimeRib
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
Whats at the bottom of the unmapped and untraversed Ocean.
SwiftDeath
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
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It is our responsibility as seekers of knowledge to use said knowledge responsibly

The universe owes us nothing as we are but faint random noise in the background of an infinite sea of black
Hollywood Duo
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(09-13-2017, 07:26 PM)
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Realistically no. But hypothetically time travel would be way too dangerous to mess with.
zeemumu
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(09-13-2017, 07:27 PM)
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Yeah. If you think about certain things for too long you'll go insane.


And there are certain hard lines that science should never cross.
Dynomutt
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(09-13-2017, 07:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Realistically no. But hypothetically time travel would be way too dangerous to mess with.

Agree. What would even be the justification for Time Travel that is just hubris. Anything we do know that is beneficial exists for a reason even when sometimes because of of our fear and selfishness.

Nuclear energy properly implemented could and is a game changer but we put it in warheads. I think FTL is another we are undeserving of as we would use it to claim as oppose to exploration.
SG-17
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(09-13-2017, 07:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chojin

So what happens when other sentient species are known?


Also Anime. Miyazaki.gif

Sharing is caring.
Sulik2
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(09-13-2017, 07:32 PM)
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See the thread on eyeball shaving.
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(09-13-2017, 07:32 PM)
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nobody gets to decide that, and it's unenforceable anyway as some rando alien could drop out of the sky and start yelling NINE ELEVEN WAS A COVER UP FOR OPRAHS LOVE CHILD
Dynomutt
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(09-13-2017, 07:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by zeemumu

Yeah. If you think about certain things for too long you'll go insane.


And there are certain hard lines that science should never cross.

Okja!
Toxi
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(09-13-2017, 07:33 PM)

Originally Posted by vsaintlo

Agree. What would even be the justification for Time Travel that is just hubris. Anything we do know that is beneficial exists for a reason even when sometimes because of of our fear and selfishness.

Nuclear energy properly implemented could and is a game changer but we put it in warheads. I think FTL is another we are undeserving of as we would use it to claim as oppose to exploration.

FTL's real main problem is that any large object propelled at FTL speeds is a horrifically powerful weapon that makes nukes look like child's play.
Rushersauce
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(09-13-2017, 07:34 PM)
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Immortality.
SG-17
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(09-13-2017, 07:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toxi

FTL's real main problem is that any large object propelled at FTL speeds is a horrifically powerful weapon.

If it's real-space. It's it's something like an Alcubierre Drive it wouldn't actually be traveling faster than light.
Justin Bailey
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(09-13-2017, 07:35 PM)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter_weapon

The difficulty of preventing accidental detonation of an antimatter weapon may be contrasted with that of a nuclear weapon. Whereas nuclear weapons are 'fail-safe', antimatter weapons are inherently 'fail-dangerous': In an antimatter weapon, ANY failure of containment would immediately result in annihilation, which would damage or destroy the containment system and lead to the release of all of the antimatter material, causing the weapon to detonate entirely at full yield. By contrast, a modern nuclear weapon will explode with a significant yield if (and only if) the nuclear trigger is fired with absolute precision resulting in a neutron source wholly releasing promptly (< microseconds). In short, an antimatter weapon must be actively kept from detonating; whereas a nuclear weapon will not unless deliberately made to do so.

John Rabbit
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(09-13-2017, 07:37 PM)
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The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

There are probably things we're not capable of dealing with/handling properly.
HStallion
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(09-13-2017, 07:39 PM)
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Hickbilly Deluxe
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(09-13-2017, 07:41 PM)

Originally Posted by daviyoung

Burning coal, oil or gas for energy.
Creating plastic.
Industrial farming.

Congratulations, you just sent us all the way back to the stone age.
Kingpin Rogers
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(09-13-2017, 07:41 PM)
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What came first. The chicken or the egg?
TheBowen
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(09-13-2017, 07:42 PM)
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Time travel and a weapon even more powerful then the atomic, especially something akin to a planet destroyer

At this moment, the knowledge of alien life might send people into a spiral. A mixture of people wanting to communicate with them, and those who are getting there guns ready
Linkstrikesback
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(09-13-2017, 07:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hickbilly Deluxe

Congratulations, you just sent us all the way back to the stone age.

Arguably that's better than the current path of severe human caused climate change, largely by the technologies that poster mentioned.
daviyoung
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(09-13-2017, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hickbilly Deluxe

Congratulations, you just sent us all the way back to the stone age.

More like the industrial revolution.
EOS-HDC
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(09-13-2017, 07:48 PM)
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The thirst for knowledge is what move us forward and is a result of the humanity trying to undesrtand itself, is part of who we are and the essense of who we are.

As I understand there is no knoledge that we shouldn't know, but a lot that we are not prepared to do, and we end up using it on the wrong.

That's how we learn tough, by fucking up things and trying again... the thing is, we're going to a point were fucking it up even once is not an option, and that scares me as much as it excites me.
Cat Party
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(09-13-2017, 07:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Linkstrikesback

Arguably that's better than the current path of severe human caused climate change, largely by the technologies that poster mentioned.

This thread is already going to some interesting places...
TissueBox
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(09-13-2017, 07:49 PM)
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The answer is YES.

Full knowledge does few people good.

More important is the identity you construct to select which things to know and preferred ways to apply them. Works for both individuals and nations. Batta batta!

Why do you think disillusionment exists?
Reeks
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(09-13-2017, 07:50 PM)
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I don't want to remember being abducted and they don't want me too either. It's better this way.
Switch Back 9
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(09-13-2017, 07:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by MetroidPrimeRib

Whats at the bottom of the unmapped and untraversed Ocean.

A whole bunch of flat and boring bullshit according to Blue Planet.
Always-honest
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(09-13-2017, 07:51 PM)
I rather see timetravel being completely impossible.
Linkstrikesback
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(09-13-2017, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cat Party

This thread is already going to some interesting places...

Do you disagree with the idea that making large parts of the planet potentially uninhabitable for humans as a result of climate change is a bad thing then?
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 07:52 PM)
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have we really already forgotten the ending of indiana jones 4
tonysidaway
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(09-13-2017, 07:53 PM)

Originally Posted by zeemumu


And there are certain hard lines that science should never cross.

Can you give an example?
hipbabboom
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(09-13-2017, 07:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheBowen

Time travel and a weapon even more powerful then the atomic, especially something akin to a planet destroyer

At this moment, the knowledge of alien life might send people into a spiral. A mixture of people wanting to communicate with them, and those who are getting there guns ready

I think you're saying that humanity as a whole may not be ready for the fallout from some knowledge spreading while it may be manageable by a few who may be able to deal with it?

We face this reality today as all governments and organization have varying levels of secrecy that may have been placed on certain information to, in some part, prevent mass hysteria.

I don't want to reduce my question to a myopic view where I ask is there knowledge that no one in humanity shouldn't know since the simple answer would be no because there will always be those who will fail or choose not to act. I wonder if the condition of who knows can safely be placed under the category of application of the knowledge.
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(09-13-2017, 07:54 PM)
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Burt
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(09-13-2017, 07:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Linkstrikesback

Do you disagree with the idea that making large parts of the planet potentially uninhabitable for humans as a result of climate change is a bad thing then?

This is "But her emails" logic.

Times 100.

Squared.
13ruce
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(09-13-2017, 08:00 PM)

Originally Posted by SG-17

All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.

With billions of planets, star systems etc i doubt we are the only ones.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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(09-13-2017, 08:03 PM)

Originally Posted by daviyoung

More like the industrial revolution.

No coal or oil for burning fuels = the revolution dies as forests are depleted and furnaces go cold. So maybe not as far back as the stone age, but Bronze would likely be our high point of sustainability.
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(09-13-2017, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by 13ruce

With billions of planets, star systems etc i doubt we are the only ones.

Fermi Paradaox says hi

Or doesn't, as it were
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 08:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by 13ruce

With billions of planets, star systems etc i doubt we are the only ones.

what would you do with the knowledge that in the vast universe we are literally the only rock with life on it
Glass Shark
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(09-13-2017, 08:04 PM)
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In theory, no. But it's very hard to acquire certain knowledge ethically in practice. When possible, we should do the best we can via simulation and statistics in those cases.
PdotMichael
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(09-13-2017, 08:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hickbilly Deluxe

No coal or oil for burning fuels = the revolution dies as forests are depleted and furnaces go cold. So maybe not as far back as the stone age, but Bronze would likely be our high point of sustainability.

Not that was such a great time for the average human.
yanipheonu
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(09-13-2017, 08:08 PM)
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We're certainly doing a poor job of having access to all human knowledge via the internet.

We don't seem to be designed to know the truth, only certain wise people really are able to grasp it. Our general tendancy to just believe whatever we want is true may have worked for surviving in the wilderness, but for civilization it's a dangerous way to live.

Whether through sci fi schenangans or the slow progress of evolution, we need to get better at using knowledge.
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(09-13-2017, 08:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.

This feels like a quote that you would have on your bio card if you had an action figure.

I agree.
EGM1966
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(09-13-2017, 08:10 PM)
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No and what the actual fuck with anyone seriously thinking anything else. To exist is to strive to know, unless you want to live in chosen ignorance. Dealing with the knowledge many be difficult or dangerous but denying knowledge would ultimately lead to the end of our species however we ultimately evolve.
13ruce
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(09-13-2017, 08:10 PM)

Originally Posted by Poppy

what would you do with the knowledge that in the vast universe we are literally the only rock with life on it

just doubting that would be the case with how huge the universe is. And even if there is other life out there we probably can't reach them and they can't reach us if they were intelligent at all or are just animal like. So yeah it would honestly not make much of a difference although.... it's nice to know tho. But anyway if there is no other live, then i would find it pretty sad and depressive actually but ohwell even with that knowledge i would still stay sane probably.
Drazgul
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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When there's nothing left to know, then we win the game.
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.

Not a fan of this particular phrasing, but yeah that's pretty much it
Linkstrikesback
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burt

This is "But her emails" logic.

Times 100.

Squared.

You think climate change being a thing that could be (and will be at current rates) catastrophic is "but her emails" logic? What?

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