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Astral/H3X
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(09-13-2017, 08:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by adj_noun

How to obliterate the universe and replace it with one filled with subtle horror and unending ennui simply by typing BLEKKU NYAHTUU KEEPSO ZOOK

I am reminded of Xenoblade for some reason.

I am, more likely, missing your reference.
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 08:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by yanipheonu

We're certainly doing a poor job of having access to all human knowledge via the internet.

We don't seem to be designed to know the truth, only certain wise people really are able to grasp it. Our general tendancy to just believe whatever we want is true may have worked for surviving in the wilderness, but for civilization it's a dangerous way to live.

Whether through sci fi schenangans or the slow progress of evolution, we need to get better at using knowledge.

i mean its kind of a miracle that in like 10,000 years of civilization we already managed to come this far i guess, considering how short a time that is in the grand scheme of life
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Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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(09-13-2017, 08:13 PM)
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Figuring out how to create antimatter at scale would probably end poorly for us.
Fbh
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(09-13-2017, 08:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Realistically no. But hypothetically time travel would be way too dangerous to mess with.

But would it alter our reality or simply create a new parallel timeline ?
SG-17
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(09-13-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by 13ruce

With billions of planets, star systems etc i doubt we are the only ones.

Of course we aren't. But without knowledge we will never know.

Everything we are, everything we can be is directing us to our ultimate destiny. The proliferation of humanity across the stars.
Calabi
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(09-13-2017, 08:22 PM)
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Mind control. Specifically I mean to be able to completely map and understand the human consciousness and manipulate, control it your own ends.

I cant see that not being abused.
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 08:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fbh

But would it alter our reality or simply create a new parallel timeline ?

parellel timeline, but you can merge them back together using the chrono cross
13ruce
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(09-13-2017, 08:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Fbh

But would it alter our reality or simply create a new parallel timeline ?

Depends if the Hero fails, wins or becomes a child again.

Originally Posted by SG-17

Of course we aren't. But without knowledge we will never know.

Everything we are, everything we can be is directing us to our ultimate destiny. The proliferation of humanity across the stars.

That would indeed be cool if we humans can someday do interstellar space travel.
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(09-13-2017, 08:31 PM)
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I could see some kinds of knowledge being restricted to some members of some institutions, but to prevent it from being known by anyone seems both inordinately challenging and potentially irresponsible.
Robot Pants
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(09-13-2017, 08:35 PM)
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The true origins of Guy Feiri....
We are not ready
The Albatross
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(09-13-2017, 08:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Linkstrikesback

Do you disagree with the idea that making large parts of the planet potentially uninhabitable for humans as a result of climate change is a bad thing then?

I can get if you want to protect the Earth for the sake of the Earth, or for the sake of other flora/fauna on the Earth, so that's why you might not want energy from oil, or plastics, or industrial farming. But as soon as you start to introduce the human element to that justification for being against those things, the argument falls apart.

Industrial Farming has virtually solved world hunger, where world hunger is now a political problem, not an agricultural problem. Prior to industrial farming, hundreds of thousands of people died of unavoidable starvation. Because of industrial farming, plastics, and energy from fossil fuels, starvation is not an agricultural problem anymore. Because of these three things -- industrial farming, plastics, and energy from fossil fuels -- disease, famine, malnutrition, clean water, and almost any other ill has been reduced to logistical or political problems. That is to say, these problems still exist in places that are under political duress or are logistically difficult to address, but political and logistical problems are soft problems that can be solved... The tyrant starving his population is overthrown, medical supplies can be brought to a disease stricken area, relief programs can eventually reach suffering populations that are difficult to access.

So, I get it if someone wants to turn back the clock on human life from some sort of Gaia/planetary concern, the idea that humans should not destroy nature and harm the delicate balance of all species on the planet, or perhaps the idea that if humans die of mass starvation, famine, or disease that maybe that's all part of nature's plan to regulate population, or what have you. I get those arguments and if that's your religious belief then I couldn't really argue against it... But the moment we bring in the human element to this, the idea of 'making the planet uninhabitable for humans,' the argument isn't convincing, because those three things in particular have made earth more habitable for humans than it ever was before they came about. Entire civilizations used to die of starvation over several bad crop seasons; entire continents would be ravaged by disease, reducing human populations by as much as 60% in Europe, or in some cases completely eradicating large cities. These three things, and really just one of them, the harnessing of fossil fuels, has led to the single largest reduction in pestilence, disease, starvation, and strife in human civilization (industrial farming and plastics both don't exist without petroleum). The cost to the planet, though, has been steep, so I get it if we're in favor of pestilence, disease, starvation, etc., as a means to keep some balance to the planet greater than the human species, but insofar as we're focused on humans ... it's a tough argument to be convincing.

Rather than outright strike these things from human knowledge (say, like some Assassins Creed Piece of Eden sorcery), I'd rather we live in a world where that knowledge is known, utilized, but then the same thing that leads us to those scientific discoveries, is the same thing that educates us on how to utilize them without destroying the planet. In the long term, maybe that's impossible, but in the short term, we'd all have been dead without them anyway.
DarkKyo
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(09-13-2017, 08:44 PM)
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Maybe finding out if we are living in a computer simulation? While nothing would change about life itself it may seriously devalue existence for a lot of people to know for real that we aren't real(even though you can already argue philosophically that our entire existence in this universe is an impermanent dream and we are tiny dream-like figments waiting to evaporate either way).
Username1198
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(09-13-2017, 08:48 PM)
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Jokers real name. It's gonna be something stupid like John VonClownson or worse
Mahonay
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(09-13-2017, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

All knowledge is our birthright as the only known sentient species in the universe.

We are pretty insignificant considering the scale of the universe.

Just by the rule of probability, and the billions upon billions of solar systems out there, we are absolutely not the only sentient beings.

We as humanity are likely pretty primitive compared to beings that have been around a lot longer.
Burt
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(09-13-2017, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Linkstrikesback

You think climate change being a thing that could be (and will be at current rates) catastrophic is "but her emails" logic? What?

The gains in quality and length of life provided by those three technologies, and the technologies they subsequently provided a foundation for, are so incredibly, immeasurably more important to humanity than the present and future threat of climate change, which we absolutely have the capability to protect ourselves from and eventually repair and reverse, that yeah

when you say that we shouldn't have the means of ensuring global food security, the material on which the modern age is built, and machine power

it sounds like you're embracing something undeniably horrific because the other option has a scuff mark.
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(09-13-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by DarkKyo

Maybe finding out if we are living in a computer simulation? While nothing would change about life itself it may seriously devalue existence for a lot of people to know for real that we aren't real(even though you can already argue philosophically that our entire existence in this universe is an impermanent dream and we are tiny dream-like figments waiting to evaporate either way).

Exactly. I'd be pisssd if I found out this a computer simulation. Or happy if I could use cheat codes. Can you imagine waking up as the Hulk and hurling buildings at the moon?
The Albatross
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(09-13-2017, 08:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mahonay

We are pretty insignificant considering the scale of the universe.

Just by the rule of probability, and the billions upon billions of solar systems out there, we are absolutely not the only sentient beings.

We as humanity are likely pretty primitive compared to beings that have been around a lot longer.

Just to be argumentative...

The 'rule of probability' would never mean anything is 'absolutely' true or false :)
Mahonay
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(09-13-2017, 08:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Albatross

Just to be argumentative...

The 'rule of probability' would never mean anything is 'absolutely' true.

Well, yeah, lol.

"More than likely" is more accurate.
Faiz
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(09-13-2017, 08:55 PM)
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I don't know, and I hope I never do.
Randolph Freelander
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(09-13-2017, 08:55 PM)
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I'm absolutely probably the center of the universe.

Maybe.
andythinkpad
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(09-13-2017, 08:56 PM)
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Who killed JFK
UncleSporky
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(09-13-2017, 08:57 PM)
I thought this thread would be a spinoff from the gay faces detection software thread. A lot of people were saying this technology was harmful, or would cause more harm than good, and is an example of technology-derived knowledge or understanding that really had no positive application. It's knowledge that could right now lead to mass persecution and government execution in a number of territories around the world.

Or as just one example, if research like this eventually leads to discovering the "gay gene," coupled with some future knowledge of safe, cheap methods of genetic engineering in the womb, couldn't that lead to parents deciding they don't want gay children, designer babies, etc.? Should we still pursue knowledge that could lead to that?
Randolph Freelander
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(09-13-2017, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by andythinkpad

Who killed JFK

We know that.

Rafael Cruz.
SG-17
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(09-13-2017, 08:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mahonay

We are pretty insignificant considering the scale of the universe.

Just by the rule of probability, and the billions upon billions of solar systems out there, we are absolutely not the only sentient beings.

We as humanity are likely pretty primitive compared to beings that have been around a lot longer.

We are also on the scene fairly early. The universe is only 14 billion years old out of a potential lifespan of 1 to 100 trillion years. Even on the lower end, humanity is pretty early on the scene. Who knows? Maybe we are among the first species to achieve sentience? Maybe we will be the Precursor Race?
Airola
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(09-13-2017, 08:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by daviyoung

Burning coal, oil or gas for energy.
Creating plastic.
Industrial farming.

Also the knowledge of how to control electricity.
That opened the floodgates to super mass production of everything.

We are slaves to electricity now. We feel like we are controlling electricity but it is controlling us. It brought us laziness and overindulgence of things.

Science was a mistake.
And now as things are too easy for us, we think that losing the convenience of science and electricity will make our lives boring and worthless.



Case in point below:

Originally Posted by Hickbilly Deluxe

Congratulations, you just sent us all the way back to the stone age.

Mael
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(09-13-2017, 08:59 PM)
So weird to wonder the morality of knowledge.
The things we don't know won't stop existing because we ignore that they do.
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Originally Posted by SG-17

We are also on the scene fairly early. The universe is only 14 billion years old out of a potential lifespan of 1 to 100 trillion years. Even on the lower end, humanity is pretty early on the scene. Who knows? Maybe we are among the first species to achieve sentience? Maybe we will be the Precursor Race?

trump/GOP are the great filter imo
Saganator
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(09-13-2017, 09:01 PM)
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"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself" - Carl Sagan

I fully believe that quote from my man Sagan. So, no is the answer to the question.

If we kill ourselves because of knowledge, it's not the fault of whatever knowledge brought it upon us, it would be at the fault of humanity's refusal to stop killing each other.
hydragonwarrior
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(09-13-2017, 09:02 PM)
How to make nukes.

They have no use for us, and even if we were to try to fend off an asteroid, it's far better to ward it off course gradually through other means.
Mahonay
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(09-13-2017, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

We are also on the scene fairly early. The universe is only 14 billion years old out of a potential lifespan of 1 to 100 trillion years. Even on the lower end, humanity is pretty early on the scene. Who knows? Maybe we are among the first species to achieve sentience? Maybe we will be the Precursor Race?

I want to say the earliest planets to have formed in our universe was about 13 billion years ago. Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago. That's a big window for civilizations before us...a long time ago...in a galaxy far, far away.
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(09-13-2017, 09:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by UncleSporky

I thought this thread would be a spinoff from the gay faces detection software thread. A lot of people were saying this technology was harmful, or would cause more harm than good, and is an example of technology-derived knowledge or understanding that really had no positive application. It's knowledge that could right now lead to mass persecution and government execution in a number of territories around the world.

Or as just one example, if research like this eventually leads to discovering the "gay gene," coupled with some future knowledge of safe, cheap methods of genetic engineering in the womb, couldn't that lead to parents deciding they don't want gay children, designer babies, etc.? Should we still pursue knowledge that could lead to that?

Just because we pursue knowledge doesn't mean that it has to be used. In fact, it's good that we know certain things so we know WHY they're a bad idea.
JZA
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(09-13-2017, 09:04 PM)
Thinking about labs experimenting with either weaponized or extremely contagious diseases tends to give me the heebie-jeebies.
Sub Boss
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HONestly? no.

unless you are a scary person, what could that even be?if there is another life in the universe,or iwhen is the planet going to expire? i cant imagine anything else, people would descredit it anyways,.

oh its a funny thread
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(09-13-2017, 09:05 PM)
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Yes. Roko's Basilisk.
zeemumu
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Originally Posted by tonysidaway

Can you give an example?

Instilling manufactured things with sentience.
Sub Boss
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Realistically no. But hypothetically time travel would be way too dangerous to mess with.

maybe time travel is impossible to do,.
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Mahonay
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Originally Posted by Sub Boss

maybe time travel is impossible to do,.

I think viewing or experiencing different moments in time will be possible at some point. You may not be able to do anything different though. The more we learn about time, the more we discover the true nature of time is not as we perceive it.
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How can we know what we shouldn't know?
Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, man
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Originally Posted by Mahonay

I think viewing or experiencing different moments in time will be possible at some point. You may not be able to do anything different though. The more we learn about time, the more we discover the true nature of time is not as we perceive it.

If we developed FTL we could send super-powerful observatories out to various distances to look at the Earth at what would be history.
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Originally Posted by Mahonay

I want to say the earliest planets to have formed in our universe was about 13 billion years ago. Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago. That's a big window for civilizations before us...a long time ago...in a galaxy far away.

That's also a big window for at least some civilization building stuff that would make their existence know to us. I mean, think about how much humans have advanced in the last hundred years. If there have been billions of years of civilization building before earth was even formed I'd imagine at least one civilization would not have extreme distances as obstacles to find us. They should've made so big technolocigal advances that they can detect our small planet and they can visit us.

As there is not a single piece of evidence of them being here I'd say that
1) They are not intelligent at all. They might not even have built anything that can fly into space. They might be stupid as hell.
2) We are the first and could be the last too.
Mahonay
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Originally Posted by SG-17

If we developed FTL we could send super-powerful observatories out to various distances to look at the Earth at what would be history.

Yea, I'd say that is probably the most likely way to achieve some type of "time travel".
Mahonay
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(09-13-2017, 09:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Airola

That's also a big window for at least some civilization building stuff that would make their existence know to us. I mean, think about how much humans have advanced in the last hundred years. If there have been billions of years of civilization building before earth was even formed I'd imagine at least one civilization would not have extreme distances as obstacles to find us. They should've made so big technolocigal advances that they can detect our small planet and they can visit us.

As there is not a single piece of evidence of them being here I'd say that
1) They are not intelligent at all. They might not even have built anything that can fly into space. They might be stupid as hell.
2) We are the first and could be the last too.

Billions of years is a long time. I think the most likely thing is that there have been other more advanced civilizations that are no longer around.

And also yes, there are probably plenty of lifeforms out there that are just not sentient or advanced to the point where they'd look for us.
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Humanity should never know that it is a cast of 7.5 billion characters living inside my mind. The consequences would be disastrous... but I trust GAF to handle and keep the secret.
The Albatross
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Originally Posted by hydragonwarrior

How to make nukes.

They have no use for us, and even if we were to try to fend off an asteroid, it's far better to ward it off course gradually through other means.

Last year I read 'American Prometheus,' the biography of Robert Oppenheimer, and I really thought the Myth of Prometheus was such a great parable to Oppenheimer and the scientists on the Manhattan project. Nearly all of them were conflicted about the project, and most went onto become ardent opponents of future nuclear development. For his opposition to nuclear development in the 1950s, Oppenheimer himself was attacked and discredited as being a Communist, despite literally doing more to end World War II than any other American.
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Originally Posted by Airola

That's also a big window for at least some civilization building stuff that would make their existence know to us. I mean, think about how much humans have advanced in the last hundred years. If there have been billions of years of civilization building before earth was even formed I'd imagine at least one civilization would not have extreme distances as obstacles to find us. They should've made so big technolocigal advances that they can detect our small planet and they can visit us.

As there is not a single piece of evidence of them being here I'd say that
1) They are not intelligent at all. They might not even have built anything that can fly into space. They might be stupid as hell.
2) We are the first and could be the last too.

Humanity has only been truly looking for signs of alien life for the better part of what 300, 500 years?

We've always star-gazed but without written history that we can make sense of (scientific theory etc.) and without tools like telescopes, it's unlikely any time before that would we as a species even notice aliens unless they visited us.

What happens if aliens all died out or moved to the opposite end of the universe or any number of possibilities? Billions of years goes both ways as there no guarantee that advanced races will survive indefinitely or won't all just go VR Waifu route and stop moving about so much
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Originally Posted by Sulik2

See the thread on eyeball shaving.

Ha!


To contribute to the conversation: until humans can side step evolutionary and historical imperatives wrt colonisation, appropriation and capitalism, then there's a whole bunch of things we should never be or have been near. But the damage is already done so
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Mahonay
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Originally Posted by The Albatross

Last year I read 'American Prometheus,' the biography of Robert Oppenheimer, and I really thought the Myth of Prometheus was such a great parable to Oppenheimer and the scientists on the Manhattan project. Nearly all of them were conflicted about the project, and most went onto become ardent opponents of future nuclear development. For his opposition to nuclear development in the 1950s, Oppenheimer himself was attacked and discredited as being a Communist, despite literally doing more to end World War II than any other American.

Hmm, yeah, the bombs forced the Japanese to come to the table and surrender, but we also didn't tell them that they could keep their emperor until after we had dropped the two bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Would they have agreed to surrender in that scenario? Maybe not. But we also didn't present it as an option.

Not discrediting the work of Oppenheimer, just questioning the way the Allies ultimately went about it.

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