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Glass Shark
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(09-13-2017, 10:50 PM)
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Nothing wrong with being a furry. The rape part is obviously bad news.
henhowc
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Doesn't seem so much about being a furry as opposed to the specifics.
Busaiku
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I think it's weird, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

Oh, they're ok with rape.
Yeah, this is good.
Nepenthe
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Originally Posted by DeathoftheEndless

That's cussed up.

I understood that reference.

Anyway, the tolerance to rape is skeevy, and in general is not going to fly in the public eye even if it's for fantasy roleplay.

The dude who outed him though fucking sucks.
Wulfric
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(09-13-2017, 10:52 PM)
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For the new page:

PLEASE, take this article with a barrel of salt. This is an issue with SoFurry's tag system.

Firstly, this guy has the most vanilla stories and comics I've ever seen.
https://gray-muzzle.sofurry.com/stories

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/Mx5Madness

This article breaks down how the SoFurry tag system works. In context, you can filter content with "loves", "likes", "tolerates", and "hates". The filters you use are available publicly, which leads to situations like these. I can almost guarantee he meant it in context of fictional art.

More info on SoFurry's GUI design here: https://www.flayrah.com/7083/furry-c...sign-flaws-are
Pandora012
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Originally Posted by Wulfric

PLEASE, take this article with a barrel of salt. This is an issue with SoFurry's tag system.

Firstly, this guy has the most vanilla stories and comics I've ever seen.
https://gray-muzzle.sofurry.com/stories

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/Mx5Madness

This article breaks down how the SoFurry tag system works. In context, you can filter content with "loves", "likes", "tolerates", and "hates". The filters you use are available publicly, which leads to situations like these. I can almost guarantee he meant it in context of fictional art.

More info on SoFurry's GUI design here: https://www.flayrah.com/7083/furry-c...sign-flaws-are

So it's just his interests and not that he condones rape or anything. What I figured. The OP should probably be updated.

Edit: Nevermind it looks like it wasn't even his thing.
Nicolada
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(09-13-2017, 10:52 PM)
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As long as there aren't any scalies holding office I'm good.
Koomaster
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I instantly read it as he tolerates 'rape' - ie the fantasy, and not you know actually raping someone. If people who basically live on the internet (ie respondents in this thread) don't grasp that then I see why he resigned; because how do you explain any of this to the public at large if internet citizens don't even get it.

Edit

Originally Posted by Wulfric

For the new page:

PLEASE, take this article with a barrel of salt. This is an issue with SoFurry's tag system.

Firstly, this guy has the most vanilla stories and comics I've ever seen.
https://gray-muzzle.sofurry.com/stories

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/Mx5Madness

This article breaks down how the SoFurry tag system works. In context, you can filter content with "loves", "likes", "tolerates", and "hates". The filters you use are available publicly, which leads to situations like these. I can almost guarantee he meant it in context of fictional art.

More info on SoFurry's GUI design here: https://www.flayrah.com/7083/furry-c...sign-flaws-are

Yeah I feel bad for this dude. Probably a decent guy but we don't live in a sex positive society. People are quick to turn on anything other than fully covered cis male/female sex with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation.
ShyMel
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Originally Posted by Randolph Freelander

I'm supposed to think that liking fictional rape is a-ok. Got it.

Pretty much my thoughts as well.
tkscz
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(09-13-2017, 10:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Poppy

hope you all realize that rape is in the context of consenting RP or simply in the context of written/drawn erotica and the dude isnt randomly saying "i like rape"

but fair enough if thats still a big deal to you, i get it

This. I dated a girl who was into RP rape. I didn't like it, but I tried it for her. Felt wrong.

Originally Posted by Randolph Freelander

I'm supposed to think that liking fictional rape is a-ok. Got it.

It's role play. It's completely consensual, so it really isn't rape at all.
Ms.Galaxy
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(09-13-2017, 10:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pandora012

So it's just his interests and not that he condones rape or anything. What I figured. The OP should probably be updated.

Even then he's not that interested in it if I'm reading the GUI bit correctly.
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 10:55 PM)
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i'm not gonna try to change any of you but man, if in all your sexual thoughts and explorations through pornography of various forms written, drawn and acted, you have decided that tolerating any sort of fake rape or fake NC encounter is a mark of an irredeemable person then....i just dont know what to think about that
Lunar15
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Originally Posted by Koomaster

I instantly read it as he tolerates 'rape' - ie the fantasy, and not you know actually raping someone. If people who basically live on the internet (ie respondents in this thread) don't grasp that then I see why he resigned; because how do you explain any of this to the public at large if internet citizens don't even get it.

Originally Posted by Wulfric

For the new page:

PLEASE, take this article with a barrel of salt. This is an issue with SoFurry's tag system.

Firstly, this guy has the most vanilla stories and comics I've ever seen.
https://gray-muzzle.sofurry.com/stories

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/Mx5Madness

This article breaks down how the SoFurry tag system works. In context, you can filter content with "loves", "likes", "tolerates", and "hates". The filters you use are available publicly, which leads to situations like these. I can almost guarantee he meant it in context of fictional art.

More info on SoFurry's GUI design here: https://www.flayrah.com/7083/furry-c...sign-flaws-are

I completely get it. But does that make it better? Not a rhetorical question. I'm actually genuinely curious how people feel about someone in an election position who is fine with that kind of content? I know it means you're not supportive of actual rape, but the thought process around it is still troubling, no?
IrishNinja
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that's....something

aside: why are so many furrry avi's on twitter/etc white supremacists?
MetroidPrimeRib
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

aside: why are so many furrry avi's on twitter/etc white supremacists?

Probably the same pool of social isolation which leads people who really like anime to sometimes fall hard right and other times hard left

Edit: more like the people who already feel different or outcasted gravitate to those things to begin with. I don't want to sound like a dick.
Poppy
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(09-13-2017, 10:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

that's....something

aside: why are so many furrry avi's on twitter/etc white supremacists?

i dunno if there is a real trend, but i would imagine its the same reason as anime avatars: because internet subcultures attract the marginalized and the marginalized are susceptible to recruitment by hateful communities

what the person above said
jph139
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(09-13-2017, 10:57 PM)
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Dude tolerates rape in his porn the same way GAF tolerates incest in theirs. I won't crucify him for it.

Honestly I feel for the dude, this sort of thing is an absolute nightmare scenario for a lot of people (myself included). Imagine if someone sent your boss your PornHub history.
Aurongel
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(09-13-2017, 10:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

that's....something

aside: why are so many furrry avi's on twitter/etc white supremacists?

Social isolation that organize under banners like 8chan that have historically been home to fringe right wing groups since the 90's.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend basically. Everyone wants to be a part of something and oftentimes organizations like that is all they have.
Wulfric
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UPDATE: SoFurry has fixed their tag system so this doesn't happen again.

From the above article:

This is simply a bad UI. "Tolerates" was on the negative side of the preferences. It could have easily gone into the tag filter if wasn't so oddly placed.

Originally Posted by Lunar15

I completely get it. But does that make it better? Not a rhetorical question. I'm actually genuinely curious how people feel about someone in an election position who is fine with that kind of content? I know it means you're not supportive of actual rape, but the thought process around it is still troubling, no?

I'm not sure to be honest. If you're in any sort of public role, things get dicey. Fantasies/kinks can get weird really fast. It doesn't mean you want to endulge in watersports/etc in real life.
Koomaster
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(09-13-2017, 10:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lunar15

I completely get it. But does that make it better? Not a rhetorical question. I'm actually genuinely curious how people feel about someone in an election position who is fine with that kind of content? I know it means you're not supportive of actual rape, but the thought process around it is still troubling, no?

Yes? I would personally tolerate rape as it pertains to drawings/stories depending on context. Doesn't mean I seek such things out or want to acquire such material. But saying you tolerate something isn't the same as promoting it or wanting to make it a reality outside of the confines of the internet.

Edit: I don't care at all about my elected representatives sexual desires because I assume for the most part they leave that at home when doing their jobs - as do most people.
Mahonay
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(09-13-2017, 11:00 PM)
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That fucking rape comment is why I'm happy he resigned. Don't really care about the furry stuff.
How About No
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(09-13-2017, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nicolada

As long as there aren't any scalies holding office I'm good.

Id have a Shark Girl mayor tbh
SeanTSC
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(09-13-2017, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Poppy

i'm not gonna try to change any of you but man, if in all your sexual thoughts and explorations through pornography of various forms written, drawn and acted, you have decided that tolerating any sort of fake rape or fake NC encounter is a mark of an irredeemable person then....i just dont know what to think about that

I don't think tolerating rape fantasies makes you an "irredeemable person". But I'm not going to shed a tear for you if you get fired for it and I'm probably going to give a cheer. I think those fantasies are hurtful and helps to normalize rape and that people should change their minds about having them. I can't pretend that I think the thought processes leading to them are okay.
HazySaiyan
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(09-13-2017, 11:01 PM)
I was gonna defend him and say it was shitty that he's been publicly humiliated for his kink, but then I saw the bolded text:

Chamberlain’s profile showed he liked to be called Gray Muzzle the fox and was happy to divulge his sexual likes and dislikes even saying he ‘tolerated’ rape.

Zero fucks given.
Poppy
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Originally Posted by How About No

Id have a Shark Girl mayor tbh

if i could have a final fight furry version with a shark girl as mike haggar i would buy it on all platforms
Nicolada
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(09-13-2017, 11:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by How About No

Id have a Shark Girl mayor tbh

How about no.
nynt9
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

that's....something

aside: why are so many furrry avi's on twitter/etc white supremacists?

Nazi furries are a thing https://www.google.com/amp/www.newst...lt-right%3Famp
Wulfric
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I can see why he resigned. This just isn't a good look. If anything, this teaches people to be careful with their public profiles. Hopeufully he lands on his feet.
brianmcdoogle
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Well, I did some quick research. Best I could find to my questions and a couple of other things.

Rape fantasies for women account to about 1/3rd, for men it seemed more varied, sometimes lower or much higher. Rough sex and bondage makes it higher, but actual "rape" fantasies is about 1/3rd. I can't find any information on the number who actually go through their fantasies, but I imagine it is lower than the rough 33%. To clarify, let's say 33% have rape fantasies, I imagine that not 100% who have had such a fantasy ever engaged in it or do so frequently.

Furry stuff was harder for me to find. There's self studies that aren't scientific, or things in journal articles that are older under "sexual deviancy" and other listings, so I'm not prime to make any statement on that. I'll just say anecdotally from the stuff I just read, it seems to be higher than in non-furry communities.

Problem I'm running into is what is a rape fantasy. Is it bondage? Submission? Is it actually pretending it is a rape? Everyone has their own definition. The studies I quickly read make it sound like when you get more specific and use the word rape or rape fantasy and separate it from bondage or submission or rough sex, the number drops by quite a bit.

Anyway, this better contextualizes stuff for me, and maybe it'll help anyone else.
tkscz
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Originally Posted by Lunar15

I completely get it. But does that make it better? Not a rhetorical question. I'm actually genuinely curious how people feel about someone in an election position who is fine with that kind of content? I know it means you're not supportive of actual rape, but the thought process around it is still troubling, no?

Yes. Again, dated someone with that fetish and she wouldn't endorse rape. I get where you're coming from. Rape is a horrible crime, and it shouldn't be seen as a sexy or good thing. Finding it sexy would indicate that you would do it yourself given the chance. However people with RP fantasies of rape tend not to see real rape as the same thing. It false not consent, but can only be done after giving consent to do it.

Originally Posted by brianmcdoogle

Problem I'm running into is what is a rape fantasy. Is it bondage? Submission? Is it actually pretending it is a rape? Everyone has their own definition. The studies I quickly read make it sound like when you get more specific and use the word rape or rape fantasy and separate it from bondage or submission or rough sex, the number drops by quite a bit.

Different for each person. For my ex it was faking a rape situation. Being a rape victim, twice at the time me and her were dating, I wasn't comfortable with it, but being submissive, I went through with it to satisfy her.
Count Dookkake
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(09-13-2017, 11:07 PM)
What did he do wrong?
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Originally Posted by MetroidPrimeRib

Probably the same pool of social isolation which leads people who really like anime to sometimes fall hard right and other times hard left

Edit: more like the people who already feel different or outcasted gravitate to those things to begin with. I don't want to sound like a dick.

Originally Posted by Poppy

i dunno if there is a real trend, but i would imagine its the same reason as anime avatars: because internet subcultures attract the marginalized and the marginalized are susceptible to recruitment by hateful communities

what the person above said

Originally Posted by Aurongel

Social isolation that organize under banners like 8chan that have historically been home to fringe right wing groups since the 90's.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend basically. Everyone wants to be a part of something and oftentimes organizations like that is all they have.

yeah, that last quote was my assumption...guess it makes sense, sadly

Originally Posted by nynt9

Nazi furries are a thing https://www.google.com/amp/www.newst...lt-right%3Famp

....learn something new every day
badrang
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(09-13-2017, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by nynt9

Nazi furries are a thing https://www.google.com/amp/www.newst...lt-right%3Famp

Literally foxler.

Originally Posted by Terbinator

Furred Reich...

There is a summary on reddit so you don't have to read it.......it sure is um something
Terbinator
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Originally Posted by nynt9

Nazi furries are a thing https://www.google.com/amp/www.newst...lt-right%3Famp

Furred Reich...
brian577
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Originally Posted by Count Dookkake

What did he do wrong?

Nothing. It's a god damn fantasy. As long as it isn't hurting anyone people can do what ever they want in their own home.
Blizzard
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Anyone who is considers it acceptable to watch Game of Thrones "tolerates" rape in that they're okay with a piece of fictional media representing it.

Obviously resigning was the right choice, but this is not a difficult thing to understand in my opinion. It's something that some people accept seeing occasionally in fiction, whether it's portrayed as an evil thing or a fantasy. To make this even easier to understand, imagine someone indicated that they "tolerate" murder in their fiction filters, requesting that they "see little of" fiction with murder in it.


Murder is in a vast amount of fiction, is obviously wrong, and yet is widely "tolerated" in this sense.
brianmcdoogle
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Originally Posted by tkscz

Different for each person. For my ex it was faking a rape situation. Being a rape victim, twice at the time me and her were dating, I wasn't comfortable with it, but being submissive, I went through with it to satisfy her.

Oh, sure, I totally get that. I just pointed that out because it makes me trying to find academic literature difficult since different surveys and studies use different terms and whatnot. Like, some said boss/worker or teacher/student is a rape fantasy, while others did not, so it made things a bit messy to quickly look up. That's why I said when the word rape or term rape fantasy is specifically used, the number drops quite a bit. So, I just wanted clarification and tried to look up what people meant when they said it was incredibly common and not moreso in the furry community. Stuff I briefly looked up suggest otherwise, so maybe the definition is just very loose to allow people to say it is common? I don't know. I put maybe 15 minutes into it looking up stuff on Google Scholar and that type of stuff trying to avoid internet surveys and online polling.
Koomaster
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Originally Posted by Count Dookkake

What did he do wrong?

Nothing. But public perception is everything. Like I posted, we don't live in a sex positive society. No one talks about their sexual desires in public without being shamed.
Ms.Galaxy
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Originally Posted by Lunar15

I completely get it. But does that make it better? Not a rhetorical question. I'm actually genuinely curious how people feel about someone in an election position who is fine with that kind of content? I know it means you're not supportive of actual rape, but the thought process around it is still troubling, no?

I feel like that's dependent of the person, it's a common fetish. I'm personally "eh" about it, like, he should have been careful about his online profiles and it was likely a good move to resign as this would be really embarrassing. I'm not gonna say he's a horrible human for having "tolerating" rape fantasies.
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Originally Posted by How About No

Its 2017, you should know you can't!



This I will agree with

Maybe if you have a furry fetish don't make a public account where your face is clearly visible on a large furry community page? And if you want to make an account on a furry site use an assumed name and where a mask while doing it.
Lunar15
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Originally Posted by Wulfric

UPDATE: SoFurry has fixed their tag system so this doesn't happen again.

From the above article:

This is simply a bad UI. "Tolerates" was on the negative side of the preferences. It could have easily gone into the tag filter if wasn't so oddly placed.



I'm not sure to be honest. If you're in any sort of public role, things get dicey. Fantasies/kinks can get weird really fast. It doesn't mean you want to endulge in watersports/etc in real life.

Makes sense to me. Thanks for the background.
AmayaPapaya
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Has anyone caught the irony of a videogame forum talking down on rape fantasies, yet?

Murder fantasies like God of War, and Hitman exist. Let's not even get started with GTA.
Extollere
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Originally Posted by dark_quota

I feel like the "tolerated rape" part should be included in the thread title.

Without fully knowing the context here one could also assume that it's in the realm of fantasy or play... as (consensual) rape play, or rape fetishes are common in erotic fandoms. It's worth noticing that there's a difference between outright condoning rape and "tolerating" it as a fetish, which is to say it may not be your preferred kink, but you'd be willing to play along.

ANYWAYS.... I didn't read where he wrote about this so I could be way off base.
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Originally Posted by Blizzard

Anyone who is considers it acceptable to watch Game of Thrones "tolerates" rape in that they're okay with a piece of fictional media representing it.

Obviously resigning was the right choice, but this is not a difficult thing to understand in my opinion. It's something that some people accept seeing occasionally in fiction, whether it's portrayed as an evil thing or a fantasy. To make this even easier to understand, imagine someone indicated that they "tolerate" murder in their fiction filters, requesting that they "see little of" fiction with murder in it.


Murder is in a vast amount of fiction, is obviously wrong, and yet is widely "tolerated" in this sense.

What? That's a completely different context. Tolerating Rape Fantasies and Tolerating Rape as a Narrative is not the least bit similar. Rape is used as a narrative device in GoT to show how vile people are and make you hate them, not for you to get off on.
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The Albatross
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Originally Posted by Koomaster

Nothing. But public perception is everything. Like I posted, we don't live in a sex positive society. No one talks about their sexual desires in public without being shamed.

Exactly, Ted Cruz just 'liked' some average porn tweet on Twitter, fairly meaningless, and it was the biggest story of the day a couple days ago. Now, Ted Cruz isn't resigning or anything and that's because of the degree at which we don't really care about someone liking porn, versus being active in furry communities, but it's the same thing that motivates us all to be fascinated in him liking a porn tweet on Twitter.

It's too bad that we live in this society that marvels/shames/mocks/publicizes people's sexual kinks, but nearly all of us do it to varying degrees, and public figures are elected based on those social mores and attitudes. The social mores that elect someone to a minor position in Connecticut state government are the same social mores that turn on the person when he posts about his sexual kinks on a website. I don't think that he should have to resign, but the mayor of the town apparently thought so and he complied... It's too bad that this has to happen this way, but explaining to the wealthy coastal liberal 60-year-olds in New Milford CT that the "tolerates rape tag" on a website that hosts sexual fiction about humanoid animals is just a type of sexual kink is... a tough ask. Most of us on a millennial videogame forum get it but most of his constituents probably don't.
Phu
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(09-13-2017, 11:20 PM)
People really just gonna kink shame. People really not gonna understand the split between reality and fantasy. People really. Really. On this message board, of all places.
Brakke
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Chamberlain’s profile showed he liked to be called Gray Muzzle the fox and was happy to divulge his sexual likes and dislikes even saying he ‘tolerated’ rape.
It's kind wild how far from plain truth this one sentence is.

- Where's the evidence that he's "happy" to divulge?
- In what sense does he "say" anything in those tags?
- That UI article explains why "tolerated" is a messy term here.
- What even does "rape" mean? Seems, at most, he "tolerated" fictional stories about rape.

Irresponsible journalism.
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(09-13-2017, 11:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Koomaster

I instantly read it as he tolerates 'rape' - ie the fantasy, and not you know actually raping someone. If people who basically live on the internet (ie respondents in this thread) don't grasp that then I see why he resigned; because how do you explain any of this to the public at large if internet citizens don't even get it.

Many people here read the title and nothing else. People are quick to react instead of actually thinking about the details.
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Originally Posted by SeanTSC

What? That's a completely different context. Tolerating Rape Fantasies and Tolerating Rape as a Narrative is not the least bit similar. Rape is used as a narrative device in GoT to show how vile people are and make you hate them, not for you to get off on.

In GoT maybe, in other fiction no.

In either case, if someone indicates they "tolerate" a work tagged with rape in a filter, can you conclude from that that they specifically mean they tolerate rape as a fantasy, rape as a narrative, or both? If they liked it as a fantasy to get off, wouldn't you imagine they would put rape in the "like" or "love" column, not "tolerate"?

I notice you also didn't address tolerating murder, which again could be equally vague unless someone specifically tagged that they like murder as a fantasy to get off or something.

I'm not even getting into whether it should be legal or socially acceptable to have a fantasy about rape, which is apparently incredibly common. I'm just saying even at face value, the tag thing seems obvious.

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