Yearsoflurking
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I played gears and forza last night both look incredibleHere is my question when we gonna see exclusive games that take advantage that power? Or all we going to see is multi-platform have better performance on it?
I played gears and forza last night both look incredibleHere is my question when we gonna see exclusive games that take advantage that power? Or all we going to see is multi-platform have better performance on it?
DF is just exposing for what a rushed debacle Sony made by trying to beat MS to the market with the PS4P. No UHD player nor enough of a performance boost.
I know its a stupid cliche, but the PS4P in its current form truly was a mistake by Sony, which is becoming so evident. They could have waited longer due to their amazing sales and release after MS and put the final nail in the Xbox coffin instead they are now forced to be a clear second in the console market for the foreseeable future. I truly feel sorry for the people that upgraded to the PS4P, because truly there wasn't almost any real value in that product.
Here is my question when we gonna see exclusive games that take advantage that power? Or all we going to see is multi-platform have better performance on it?
Regular Xbone does not even have games, so maybe by fall 2018 unless Microsoft becomes berserk an buy studios for exclusives
What have I been playing then?
Playing with the UI, maybe Netflix?
Xbox One has no games is a bad joke that went too far.
We're likely not going to see 1440p games on the X unless it's pushing like 480p on the One LOL!
Perhaps when xbox next hits and the X becomes the low end model.
DF is just exposing for what a rushed debacle Sony made by trying to beat MS to the market with the PS4P. No UHD player nor enough of a performance boost.
Wow, impressive stuff. No need for an X1X in my life right now (I think), but pretty remarkable that a $500 box is closer to high-end PC performance than the PS4 Pro is to it.
Get the X version
It released a year later and costs $100 more, that should be expected.
What is remarkable? I don't know. Good for the players to have another option though.
How much is MS paying DF for this barrage of XB1X content? very other day it seems they are posting something related. Seems fishy to me.
Thats the reason so many users left to other forum.
Unfortunately some console warriors moved as well to ensure same level of shit in DF threads
Double the performance sometimes even more plus 4k player for just $100 more. Will take that any day.
Don't get me wrong, PS4 pro is still a wonderful machine.
Double? Serious question I am not understanding that.
Nice machine not disagreeing though.
Double the pixle count I believe is what he/she is saying.
Reading this thread... Lol
This place is fucked.
I think they got greedy.
I think they were betting that people wouldn't notice the difference and they could use their exclusives and price difference to sway people anyway but I don't think Sony had any idea of for who or why they were making this machine.
I really believe MS had the idea first and Sony just rushed PS4P out to beat MS to it. There's zero strategy or Target audience for the Pro. Nothing.
Tbh it will still have the exclusives. But I was already buying all my multiplats on my Xbox One anyway. It does makes sense now why despite being in a commanding sales lead Sony went after all those third party marketing deals. Unfortunately for them in the age of Youtube,Twitch live streamers , commentators and influencers stepping around the 'official' channels. I do wonder the reach those ads have as they are on randomly.
With these Youtubers they have subscribers some of them in the millions. More people now know when a game is better on another platform, why do people think MS sent out so many free Xbox One X's to youtubers.
Ps4pro released one year earlier for 100$ less, i wouldn't call it a rushed débâcle although clearly MS did put a lot more effort in designing their mid gen refresh. (tbh though it had a lot more ground to cover coming from the clueless mess the One was)
No UHD player is unexcusable though.
I would understand the "1 year later, $100 cheaper argument" if it actually carried proper weight, which it doesn't and people are just starting to use that as another deflection for Sony's horrible move with the PS4P
The X1X isn't equip with any new technology it is still utilizing all the same tech both original consoles launched. MS simply just overclocked the parts further, they didn't get a new CPU architecture to make it faster nor did they a new GPU to work with, both of them are made with the same parts for a large extend. Sony just decided to cut corners, by including less RAM and ignoring their own technology by not adding UHD. There was no reason for them to release the PS4P that early they basically shot themselves in the foot that just a shitty excuse.
I played gears and forza last night both look incredible
I don't know, I watched the video and the framerate looked neck and neck on both consoles. Don't get the "double the performance" bit.Double the IQ and double the performance sometimes even more isnt that big? Haha
You arent even trying to be objective here.
Are we at a point where we have to zoom in at 600% to notice the gulf between the 2 machines?
That is not to say that you cant tell the X is going to be sharper and cleaner than the Pro but those DF comparisons where they zoom in at a photo 600% to show a bottle saying "medicine" is something that I bet nobody will be able to read while playing the game.
Yes the game is better on X but that whole gulf thing sounds hyperbolic, unless people play on 60+ inch TVs standing 1 foot away.
Is that all? is there any game to look forward in 2018 for X? Im sorry but I just cant get excited about X at all. It might be "strongest console" but it just doesn't have games that will make spend $500.
Is that all? is there any game to look forward in 2018 for X? Im sorry but I just cant get excited about X at all. It might be "strongest console" but it just doesn't have games that will make spend $500.
Remember when there were 900p xb1 vs 1080p ps4 days and the fucking MELTDOWN? Now we have a much much bigger difference and suddenly it doesnt Matter.
Double the performance sometimes even more plus 4k player for just $100 more. Will take that any day.
Don't get me wrong, PS4 pro is still a wonderful machine.
Sure, if you are not excited about Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Sea of Thieves or Forza Horizon 4 along with the best version of Red Dead Redemption 2, it probably makes sense to settle for the second-best version.
Yup, if not interested in the best version of multiplats (which you "likely" were 3 years ago like the rest of the salty dogs in here) then yeah, the X is not for you!Sure, if you are not excited about Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Sea of Thieves or Forza Horizon 4 along with the best version of Red Dead Redemption 2, it probably makes sense to settle for the second-best version.
Sony aimed for 399$, MS aimed for 499$. Especially for a year later release. Some components probably were cheaper too. That's a big difference, isn't? Sony didn't cut anything if they aimed for 399$ and put what they could just no to break 399 barrier and they did it right.
The cost difference in parts is minimal between them and a years time doesn't effect the price nearly enough. The consoles as they are are using basically the same parts. The difference is the amount of work MS put into designing and fine tuning the X1X, which is what they are actually charging for.
Just because one company didn't take its time and due diligence doesn't have to negate the efforts of another company, a latter release doesn't automatically equal a superior product thus it is a horrible argument to make. No one put the gun to Sony's head and said to release the console when it did and as other posters have alluded there just didn't seem to be any strategy behind their decision making, which in this case was a bad one.
A lot of the extra $100 is probably the UHD, remove that from the system, what becomes Sony's excuse then? They had the same toys to play with one was just simply smarter.
The cost difference in parts is minimal between them and a years time doesn't effect the price nearly enough. The consoles as they are are using basically the same parts. The difference is the amount of work MS put into designing and fine tuning the X1X, which is what they are actually charging for.
Just because one company didn't take its time and due diligence doesn't have to negate the efforts of another company, a latter release doesn't automatically equal a superior product thus it is a horrible argument to make. No one put the gun to Sony's head and said to release the console when it did and as other posters have alluded there just didn't seem to be any strategy behind their decision making, which in this case was a bad one.
A lot of the extra $100 is probably the UHD, remove that from the system, what becomes Sony's excuse then? They had the same toys to play with one was just simply smarter.
Performance was the same, and even sometimes more constant on Pro. Yes with a lower res (1440p), but still much higher then 1080p. Graphics difference at first place is not huge. We still have to zoom in to see some little differences. Some of you guy really think the Pro is Xbox On quality vs One X, because THAT'S huge.
Imo, they need to convince Xbox One players and not PS4 Pro player to buy an One X.
FAKE NEWS.I remember when just a few years ago 900p vs 1080p was a huge deal and now suddenly a much larger resolution difference doesn't matter.
It is also worth noting that the 1X version also super samples to 1080p for those without a 4k TV while the Pro does not. Which means it is an even bigger quality difference for 1080p users.
Or I still able to enjoy Red Dead Redemption 2 while enjoying games like Ni no Kuni 2, Dragon Quest XI, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us part II, God of War and Shadow of the Colossus remake and Hokuto Ga Gotoku.
Are we at a point where we have to zoom in at 600% to notice the gulf between the 2 machines?
That is not to say that you cant tell the X is going to be sharper and cleaner than the Pro but those DF comparisons where they zoom in at a photo 600% to show a bottle saying "medicine" is something that I bet nobody will be able to read while playing the game.
Yes the game is better on X but that whole gulf thing sounds hyperbolic, unless people play on 60+ inch TVs standing 1 foot away.
Think MS did a better job with XboneX than Sony with PRO, beyond the price and spects XboneX is a great minimalist machine, less noisy than PRO and better designed. This machine could accelerate PS5 release.
The cost difference will allow the Ps4 pro to outsell the Xbox one X by a wide margin. MS are too late and too expensive with their mid-gen refresh. They already lost.
You have some wild wild imagination, young man. $199 is the magic number that makes you a winner, not a niche $499 product.That is what Sony needs to be careful of, because they already reacted hastily and we ended up with the PS4P.
That is just your speculation, which you can already mark of as highly improbable.
The PS4P had a year head star with out competition, but the day the X1X released it took a back seat where it will remain until the PS5 comes out and that could be another 2 or 3 years at least. During that time 4K TV's are going to take over and the X1X is at that time going to become the default system in the console space add the fact that it also has a UHD player making it a multi-functional and considerably more worth to consumers.
I can guarantee you the PS4P is not going to outsell the X1X. The X1X is probably going to make up the difference between the consoles in North America by the time PS5 roles out. The value proposition simply isn't there for PS4P in a year or two no matter the price point, because it will not be powerful enough and consumers will be very cautious to not invest into "premium" system if there is going to be a new and better version in a years time. Much like many Xbox users skipped the S in favor for the X by simply waiting a year for it.
There is a Law of Dimishing Return
The difference between 720p and 1080p is insanely more noticeable than the differences between 1440p and 2160
The cost difference will allow the Ps4 pro to outsell the Xbox one X by a wide margin. MS are too late and too expensive with their mid-gen refresh. They already lost.
Is that all? is there any game to look forward in 2018 for X? Im sorry but I just cant get excited about X at all. It might be "strongest console" but it just doesn't have games that will make spend $500.
Get the X version