DoctorFling
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You don't need to apologize for a good movie being good
B..but Leia didn't hug Chewie
You don't need to apologize for a good movie being good
Read the posts gentleman.
Never said the movie was bad, nor is that the argument at hand.
But resulting to this weird need to rush in and protect its ears from any kind of criticism seems weird, oddly paternalistic, and exudes the worst kind of fan boy behavior.
Receiving the criticism "the movie isn't original" and then sticking your tongue out and saying "well...uh, yeah, but the one in 1999 wasn't original either" doesn't negate the flaws for the previously aforementioned film.
TFA was the most derivative film i had ever seen, and deflecting the issue towards another film that might borrow arcs, where as this films borrows literal OG actors and characters from the originals, couple that with a half step up in visual design isn't necessarily a good thing.
Movie isn't above criticism, people. Nor should any criticism thrown at it hurt or irk you on a deeply personal level.
Yeah. Totally agree. People love to hate on TPM, but back in 2015, in anticipation for TFA, i've went to see the whole series with a couple of friends and all, and we were like "Man, we really have to endure that shit again?" and after watching we were like "Wow. It wasn't as bad as i remembered". It is bad, but it's not like punch in the face bad that looks like by judging on some people's opinions.Yeah, I see your point. For me it's kind of hard to treat Revenge of the Sith as its own thing though when so much of it story wise is dependent on Attack of the Clones. Like, Return of the Jedi is less dependent on Empire Strikes Back than ROTS is dependent on AOTC in my opinion. So the AOTC connection just naturally brings it down for me. Part of the reason I think there's an argument to be made that Phantom Menace is the best prequel movie is because it's not bogged down by anything else and is a fairly standalone movie. Revenge of the Sith would ultimately be more fondly remembered if the lead in movie to it wasn't the worst thing the franchise has made since the Holiday Special (and honestly AOTC is the movie that sinks the entire trilogy)
Someone here (or in the other recent thread) said they feel the force awakens is a somewhat claustrophobic movie, and I realized I tend to agree with it. Where does this feeling comes from? Does the movie lack open space?
Are you sure? Lets recap Episode 1
Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin findsLukeAnakin Skywalker on planet Tattooine, determines he could become a Jedi knight, and together they go off on an adventure together to save PrincessLeiaAmidala from the grips of theGalactic EmpireTrade Federation and destroy theDeath StarDroid Command Station in order to save the planetYavinNaboo. Tragically, though,Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin loses his life to the evil DarthVaderMaul before he could finish trainingLukeAnakin. Additionally, Yoda initially refuses to trainLukeAnakin because he feels he's too old and Obi-Wan has to insist. Then at the end of the movie, everyone gathers for one bigmedal ceremonyglowing orb ceremony while victorious music plays.
Lucas's prequel trilogy apes a ton from the original trilogy. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
Funny that AOTC felt better at the theater.
But resulting to this weird need to rush in and protect its ears from any kind of criticism seems weird, oddly paternalistic,
The whole thing makes no sense. It's going at least at the speed of light when it reaches the planets and they see it coming for long enough to go outside and watch it lol.and even worse is the fact that the whole thing is viewable from the planet surface.
What are you even trying to say here.
What is a "non profit franchise"
What are you talking about
You literally removed the explanation when you quoted me. Like you removed the answer you were looking for. Why lol.
I was just talking about how George Lucas still wants to be a part of the franchise, and if he does why did he even sell it. If he wanted money for charity, he could've easily done another trilogy and donated profits.
I'm curious to see what he had planned for this new trilogy.
to make this as clear as possible: I was asking a rhetorical question as a means to point out you have a bad grasp on the concepts you're trying to argue
Wait, I was arguing? You sure seem to know a lot more about me than I do. Your tag should be Psychology Expert.
Is it possible to have a thread about the sequel trilogy that doesn't immediately devolve into "Well maybe the prequels were absolute garbage that no adult would ever want to spend their precious free time viewing, but at least they were original!" ??
Are you sure? Lets recap Episode 1
Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin findsLukeAnakin Skywalker on planet Tattooine, determines he could become a Jedi knight, and together they go off on an adventure together to save PrincessLeiaAmidala from the grips of theGalactic EmpireTrade Federation and destroy theDeath StarDroid Command Station in order to save the planetYavinNaboo. Tragically, though,Obi-Wan KenobiQui-Gon Jin loses his life to the evil DarthVaderMaul before he could finish trainingLukeAnakin. Additionally, Yoda initially refuses to trainLukeAnakin because he feels he's too old and Obi-Wan has to insist. Then at the end of the movie, everyone gathers for one bigmedal ceremonyglowing orb ceremony while victorious music plays.
Lucas's prequel trilogy apes a ton from the original trilogy. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
There was a comic book series in the 90s called... uhhh...Dark Empire I wanna say? He said it was the closest to his vision without being his. All done in watercolor, super fun read. Really tied together the prequels statement of cheating death and showing how strong the emperor actually was.
My biggest fear with the sequel trilogy has always been that, without Lucas, it would be too safe and turn into another Blockbuster franchise. With Lucas I at least felt Star Wars had some kind of unique soul behind it. As has been said in this thread, Lucas is actually a great idea man, he's excellent when working with other people. The prequel trilogy is full of ideas that could have been used to make much better movies. Lucas just needed more people to rewrite and filter his ideas, and he probably should have gotten other people to direct the prequels like he originally wanted. I actually like how the prequel movies are patterned structurally after the original trilogy. I thought it was very effective when examining Sith and Jedi next to each other.
That being said, I like what Lucasfilm and Disney have done with Rogue One and the parts of Force Awakens that involve the new characters. I just hope TFA's nostalgia trip was only for that one movie, to bring everyone back on board. My biggest point of confidence with SW going forward is that Disney got a lot of the people who worked with Lucas back in the day and didn't just grab the SW license by itself.
I know but that isn't explained in the film and that lore itself exists just to poorly explain why the resistances even exists. It's pretty obvious they didn't come to the conclusion that the resistance was most logical and believable future of the galactic affairs they wanted the rebels versus the evil empire theme no what and constructed some lore that doesn't even exist in the final cut of the film to explain it.
The old republic didn't have an existential outside threat (which is why it broke down from within) which is why you can or not feign believability about it since it'd be like the UN having it's own completely independent army which it doesn't. The new republic definitely does have existential threat that they even knew about.