I hate to break it you but the UK is the only country in Europe where the Xbox One has anything resembling an equal retail presence with PS4. 8:2 is horrible. In other European countries the gap was even bigger. It's impossible to argue that FFXV on Xbox One was anything other than a massive flop.
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Xbox first-party is "critical" for Scorpio, says Spencer (Gamesindustry.biz)
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I hate to break it you but the UK is the only country in Europe where the Xbox One has anything resembling an equal retail presence with PS4. 8:2 is horrible. In other European countries the gap was even bigger. It's impossible to argue that FFXV on Xbox One was anything other than a massive flop.
Xbox wants to move away from publishing games from IPs they don't own. It's more likely that you'll see a Microsoft-published sequel to QB than AW.
It's why the negotiations for Ryse 2 supposedly broke down. MS wanted to buy the IP, Crytek refused to sell it.
Real_Madrid
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They have almost no studios left, so if they really are going to push the Scorpio with first party games, it's going to be an expensive undertaking considering all the external studios they need to work with.
I like Phil, but it's PR, Xbox has almost no marketing deals, very few studios, a declining user base,...
There's no question that Microsoft of all companies could buy themselves back in the console race, but why would they. It would be a huge gamble.
If they're serious about Scorpio, they should finally make an European push, I bought an Xbox One back in the day, it's a mediocre device in mainland Europe.
Damn.
I liked the early days of Xbox when they got all the weird Dreamcast-esque games like Gunvalkyrie and JSRF.
hydrophilic attack
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i see the author has been doing their homework
based on gaf threads, this is the rankings for the number of views you will get
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Rhazer Fusion
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it's time for Otogi 3.
Yah, I wish.
Especially when some people embraced him as the messiah of gaming. It feels like he's just repeating the same things over and over but it's not amounting to much. Hopefully that Japanese studios tour he did recently will change that come E3.
Triggerhappytel
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This just isn't true.
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Pushmo
Wii Sports
Brain Age
Steel Diver
Code Name STEAM
Probably a bunch of others too.
OléGunner;232671119 said:
Yep; since 2008.
I'm saying it sold more than most anyone thought it would going by previous JP releases on the platform. I'm not saying it sold well just that it sold well enough to show there might be a profitable audience for JP titles on XB1 in US and U.K. which is hopefully enough to get some development going along with some added monetary incentive from MS.
They're trying a rebranding in a way. The S was a good first step but the Mattrick era is still hurting them.
Rhazer Fusion
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Honestly though, if a franchise like FF15 cannot obtain average to admirable sales on the XBox, I do not think any Japanese game can.
HighResTomato
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It's obvious that they will present Scorpio before E3 so just give us a damn date already.
wapplew
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I have no idea.
But we have not idea who is Playground games before Forza Horizon too. MS is good at hire unknown studio. They could also expand internal studio into multiple team studios, lot's of way to improve their first party output.
My point is, MS studios is in rebuild mode, we should be patient.
MS just needs to invest in indies in Japan, just as Nintendo does in the west. It got them Fast Racing Neo, and it can get MS the obscure titles they sorely lack. Invest in the younger developers, for a long term solution.
Eh you might be right all I'm saying is that it sold more than most were expecting which strengthened their position st the negotiation table a bit. They'll still likely have to help cover any costs for porting the games to the platform but it's something at least.
AyraSutoraifu
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Yes it is.
StrongBlackVine
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FFXV performance didn't really change anything. It's the biggest non-exclusive Japanese franchise and still sold poorly on Xbox compared to the market share. It's the performance of the smaller Japanese games that is problematic and still very much in question. 17 percent of 6 million is alright. 13 percent of 1 million not so much.
Sure but there are opportunity costs involved. Square Enix would probably look at those numbers and think that their time and effort would be better spent developing a Switch or PC version instead. I wouldn't be that surprised if the XB1 version of KH3 is quietly canned at this rate.
It is supposed to be like the PS4 Pro, but stronger. It's still in the Xbox One family.
Honestly Rex, for a mainline FF, 70/30 in the US and a likely 80/20 split everywhere else is about as bad as what was expected.
It IS going to be like the PS4 Pro. It's just that the Microsoft PR has been somewhat vague at times leading to the core audience running away with the idea that it could NOT be like the PS4 Pro.
But it is -- full stop.
miller.skippins
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Don't worry...the Xbox Secret Sauce that hidden within the waffle that cannot be disclose due to patent reasons and DX12 will be activated soon and all Xbox will be able to support 120fps8K...
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MosquitoSmasher
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Exactly. There really haven't been any signs or whatsoever that they have been working on establishing a new studio or two, nor a brand new IP. But that could simply be due to MS keeping everything under wraps. But if there's a New IP, what studio is making it? Rare?
I would consider their show fine if they.... let's say show the games we expect, a brand new IP or two for next year and not a small game but a big one. Show all the games on Scorpio, announce a boatload of already released games looking and performing much better right from the start, announce several Japanese games Xbox missed out on, not just JRPG and of course hopefully new Moon Studios. I'd say these are realistic expectations.
And FFXV is the biggest IP from Japan on the system. A split like that is terrible, if you think it's that bad what happens when you start involving smaller studios who just don't have resources or time for a title to sell just good enough
JimiNutz
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He's saying the right things and not delivering. I guess it's difficult because it's going to take a long time to build strong first parties.
Let's see what Scorpio launches with... I'm expecting new Forza, Crackdown 3, updates for KI and a new big AAA IP. Anything less than that will be a disappointment.
Let's see what Scorpio launches with... I'm expecting new Forza, Crackdown 3, updates for KI and a new big AAA IP. Anything less than that will be a disappointment.
Alx
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Er, he's barely talking about the Scorpio at all, as a matter of fact. The only time it is mentioned in his answers is "Having our 1P games ready for Scorpio is critical." (or later "can't talk about that") It doesn't make it exist "outside of the Xbox family".
Bits N Pieces
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Nah, you're just talking shite. It'll just be a full PS4 more powerful than the PS4 Pro. Thats going to be good enough for lots of people.
I don't know man. What you're saying is just because XV on Xbox wasn't a total disaster they'll surely invest more resources in Xbox. That's not what companies do usually. MS needs to balance this out by paying tons of money. That works, up to some point.
SmokedMeat
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They published Sunset Overdrive.
Look given the expectation most everyone had for the SW split as informed by previous JP developed games released on the platform including FF Type 0 it was an unexpected success. Success is a relative term. In this situation it means it sold more than pretty much everyone thought it would on the platform. In my book that's a success and it's also a good bargaining chip to bring to the table when trying to negotiate ports and future releases of other JP developed games on their platform. Notice I said "a bargaining chip" as in one of not the only meaning they will need other incentives as well but at the very least it's a boon to negotiations.
Which is exactly what I said. It gives them extra bargaining tools at the negotiation table but they'll likely need other monetary incentives as well.
People keep informing me of the realities of JP developed game sales on XB1 as if I'm somehow not aware. I'm well aware. Y'all are too busy focusing on making sure I know something I already know to actually read the point I was trying to make. Nobody is saying the floodgates are going to open or that these games will suddenly be massively successful on the platform. So I would really appreciate it if y'all would please stop trying to correct me on statements I never made.
Another day, another Xbox first party thread
I'm concerned this could be the case. Time will tell. E3 can't come soon enough. At least the speculation will die down then. I'm hoping for the best, as I love Xbox. That being said, if they come only with what we already know, I'm not sure it'll end well.
I'm concerned this could be the case. Time will tell. E3 can't come soon enough. At least the speculation will die down then. I'm hoping for the best, as I love Xbox. That being said, if they come only with what we already know, I'm not sure it'll end well.
FF XV a success on XB1? Sorry but are you on Earth?
In that case, they should ditch the Xbox One name and any association with it all together. It's mixed messages all over again. They explicitly stated Scorpio is part of the Xbox One platform and that there'll be no exclusives, yet the way Spencer comes across here gives the impression that it's a new platform - he doesn't even mention "Xbox One", just "Xbox".
Ehhhhh?. It is nice to dream.
SmokedMeat
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I expect Microsoft's E3 to be dominated by Scorpio and their subscription service. Next will be whatever franchise they have a deal with to get dlc first.
Bits N Pieces
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It's almost like some people dont want those games to go to Xbox? How many copies has Final Fantasy sold on Xbox, over 1 million units? Its not going to be the main platfrom for any Japanese Dev but it could be a possibility of increasing a games sales, userbase and reach.
I don't see Rare announcing a new AAA game before SoT has been released or is at the very least close to release.
Maybe from an external studio?
In 2014, yes.
Here's what Phil said in january 2014, long after the deal with Insomniac was signed:
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/429481693045481474
No. They built up their studios to do exactly that.
It's confusing, but what can you do. MS bled money for years to establish the Xbox brand. Just dropping the brand would be bad.
semiconscious
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poor phil's always just been the manager, not the general manager. the manager's left to deal with what he's provided with, accentuate the positive, & make the best of it. only the gm can actually change things
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