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PS4 PRO 4K native games (will update the list everytime there is a new game)
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Wrong.
Omnistalgic
Member
I guess Sony will do a FAQ like they did with VR but you should do a little digging man, Pro is a super PS4.
- If your on a 1080p set, the games will look better
- if your on a 4K set, the games will look much better
- If you get VR, framerate and image will look better
- Devs will decide if they want improved visuals or the game to run better
All games from this point will support Pro
Why do people keep going back to this silliness?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It drives me crazy to see people still believe this.
Raven77
Member
Not sure how you missed this but it's around the question of upgrading to the PS4K when you already own a PS4. You don't HAVE to have a Pro version if you want to game on Playstation, you can have a regular PS4 and play Playstation games just fine. The question is also around your last statement, about how many devs outside of first party Sony will do any of the work required to make games better on PS4K.
I know technically "all games will support Pro" but I thought I remembered reading all that meant is you can play all games released, not that they will have any benefits.
zackmorris
Member
Because Sony hasn't really said anything to the contrary. We won't see a frame rate bump for most games, that's a given. So what is improved on a 1080p set?
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
I've had to explain to my friend many times. He just getting stuck on "I don't have a 4K TV so why would I want a pro instead of the slim?" Or "I'm only getting a pro because I can't play VR on a regular PS4."
Although its funny because whenever I re-explain that PSVR works on any PS4 he says "then whats the point of the pro!? I thought it was just for VR!"
zackmorris
Member
Do digging where? 90% of the coverage I've read from the event has said exactly that. Where is the hands on with a pro on a 1080 set and exactly what improvements are there to "make the games look better"
Greatest Ever
Member
Which ones?
Raven77
Member
I agree with this 100%. Sony has been vague about this only stating that some games will get patches, their own first party games will obviously take advantage of it, and that things will be "improved" for users without a 4K or HDR tv.
Hell, even on the official Sony page this is what it says:
Basically if you don't have a 4K tv, the benefits you might receive will vary by title or might not exist at all. That is a fact. Not ALL titles will have the "PS4 Pro Enhanced" icon on the packaging because not all games will look better on Pro.
I want to re-state this, I have a Pro pre-ordered and am excited about it but only because I just got a 4K TV. That being said, I still have concerns about how much this thing will be supported. I have friends without 4k tv's that have no idea if or why they would buy a Pro.
Yes they have they showed videos of what it will do in 1080P at the reveal & there is a Q&A
People just keep listening to the idiots that write stories & make youtube videos saying that they didn't explain the benefits.
Games can be rendered at 1440p or 1800p before being upscaled to 4k. This means if you have a 1080p screen, instead of being upscaled to 4k it will be downsampled to 1080p, meaning a much cleaner image. Things like jaggies will be significantly reduced.
That's just the bare minimum work right there, devs can also increase draw distance (you can see farther) or increase LOD, cleaner effects, shadows, etc.
Think about it like this: if you have a PC that can play AAA games at 30fps on medium settings, what would happen if you doubled the GPS power? Not just a res increase, you could turn some effects up to high or increase other sliders
*sigh* I won't waste any more words on you...
CambriaRising
Member
Literally years of people downsampling games on PC.
Games released prior to the cutoff date (which leaked documents suggested was late September 2016) will see no benefits. The hardware will literally run in a lower performance mode to behave as close as possible to an original PS4. No game released in the future will have that option.
Every game released now has been certified on the hardware running at full speed and will ship that way. Even if a developer doesn't change a single line of code their games will render in less time and their code will run faster, improving frame rate consistency if nothing else. Reports indicate that Sony has gone out of their way to make it easy to do more, and developers have every incentive to want their games in the news cycle by highlighting improved graphics as a result.
Games that support the Pro in 1080p will get improved visuals, in either bumping up the graphics settings, supersampling the image, and improving the framerate (making it a more stable 30fps in most cases). Or all of the above.
Games that don't support the Pro will run exactly the same on PS4 Pro that it does on PS4.
They need to do more than a 30 second clip of Paragon and a website Q&A. Pro comes out in just over a month and the only media we have from it are still just snippets from the PS Meeting and even then most of that was never released in proper quality. They're absolutely doing a piss poor job at marketing this right now and I say that as someone with a Pro pre-ordered.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Haha, by your standrads , you can't consider Destiny as a PS4 level AAA since it is a cross-gen game that released on PS3 and shared the same tech but and became a little better for PS4. Otherwise you have to consider TLOU: Remastered a PS4 level AAA since it receieced the same treatment as Destiny on PS4 if not better.
They have had a massive FAQ for over a month on the pro.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/
yeah its kind of clear of the people who are just going by that vs actually looking for information directly from sony and or actually ya know watching their presentation vs Reaction videos lol.
they have release 4k versions of their own presentations. i seriously dont understand how hard is it to see this. Also VR is this month. thats the focus this month. Im sure next month you will see more focus on the Pro.
ok fine Battlefield 1 instead if you want to get pedantic about it. My point was a game released in the last two years will most likely not be getting a native 4K patch and I'm fine with that. My original point was that I'm surprised and fairly happy a lot of older and less graphically complex games are coming out at 4K and even some at 4K and 60 fps.
The Last of Us is a AAA game but it originated on the PS3. The remaster looks great on the PS4 but its not like its pushing something like UC4 level graphics and again, totally fine with that. I'll finally finish up my Grounded + run through on 4K when the Pro comes out to put things in perspective and I love that that is an option. I don't expect such an option as native 4K for UC4.
I'm sure we're going to be getting PS4 Pro videos coming. It's still a month out, which is soon, but they can have a huge marketing blowout once PSVR comes out. They don't want to overshadow that, most likely.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Elder Scrolls Online actually holding a steady 30fps at 4k when it can't hold a steady 30 now? I need to see the receipts.
My thoughts on the whole do you need a PRO is this...if you already have a PS4 and have no plans to get a 4K set with HDR until the same time next year,stay with your PS4...no PS4,wait like one more month and grab a Pro and wait till next year when we know more about the Scorpio to decide if you go full 4K...
I'd understand if they were blowing the doors off the place with PSVR marketing but they're not doing that either. I suppose this is why it's a bad idea to release two $400 products right next to each other though.
Caayn
Member
I think that ESO is more CPU bound than GPU bound. I doubt it'll hold steady 30fps, regardless of resolution, but the small CPU boost in the Pro should at least improve the framerate.
I think having all of the reviews and impressions for PSVR a week early is their version of marketing, for better or worse. But you are right, otherwise it's been fairly muted. I think with releasing the slim, the headset and the Pro so close to each other it's more aggressively trying to keep the Playstation ecosystem in place, giving something for everyone, and so things are being left in the shuffle for some.
For me personally, I sold my PS4 last month and am going Pro, and so I've been single-minded in wanting this thing and have been reading any little tidbit that's come out.
But I think we'll get a bunch of Pro videos and impressions before it releases. It might be a few from Sony and from Playstation sites and Youtube channels at first, and then also widespread reviews like we've been seeing this week for VR!
nycgamer4ever
Member
Have you played TLOU Remastered? That game is as much a "PS4 level AAA game" as either Destiny or the Witcher 3.
I'd beg to differ when we have a made for PS4 game in Uncharted 4. I still think The Last of Us Remastered looks great even to this day but the difference is night and day between the two. I don't see why this is such a contentious statement to say a made for PS4 /X1 AAA will most likely never run at native 4K resolution. I'd actually love to be proven wrong as well I just don't see it happening and for fairly straight forward and obvious reasons.
I'd love more PS3/360 era games to start coming out at native 4K res like Skyrim and TLoU are. Hell I'd even kill for Okami and the Team Ico collection games to be re-released at 4K resolutions and some other lookers from the PS2 era.
OK, so I will eat my words and say: The remaster runs at double the framerate, naturally Uncharted 4 had much more time for pretty environments to render, also the tech was improved.
Again: TLoU runs in checkerboard 4K (AFAIK) at the same 60 frames it runs on PS4, just like U4 does at 30. Only by going down to half the rate, it uses that time gained to render 4K natively.
PS4 Pro: The Ultimate FAQ
Q: Will PS4 Pro require a 4K TV?
No. PS4 Pro can display much higher resolutions than the standard PS4 when using a 4K TV. But if you own an HDTV (720p, 1080i, 1080p), PS4 Pro can still improve your gaming experience.
Q: What benefits does PS4 Pro provide when played on a non-4K HDTV?
PS4 Pro offers benefits even if you play on a HDTV that isn’t 4K. Depending on how the developer chooses to use the increased processing power, games with PS4 Pro support are able to render higher or more consistent framerates, increased environmental and character model detail, improved overall visual quality, and other related visual enhancements. For a look at how games are using the power of PS4 Pro, watch some of the first game footage on our YouTube page.
Additionally, PS4 games that render below native 1080p (maximum quality for HD TVs) on the standard PS4 can be elevated to render at full native 1080p on an HDTV.
See below for a chart detailing how PS4 Pro will display based on different TV types.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I don't think there are TBH. HDR tech only appeared in 2015 and there are even 4K TVs that doesn't support, let alone 1080p screens.
There is way too much fake concern going on, no one has to keep explaining to people that a more powerful console is going to look better no matter what resolution your TV is.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Yeah, the general WRONG consensus....
If that was true, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a normal 1080p PS4 game and an enhanced 1080p PS4 Pro game.
We know for a fact that is not the case.
I am not sure where this disinformation is coming from, (Colin Moriarty?) because Sony clearly stated the difference and even used Epic Games Paragon as an example. And we know that game has TONS of improvements to the game in Pro mode
http://www.gamepur.com/news/24374-i...-pro-enhanced-1080p-mode-says-epic-games.html
Yep I have a feeling BF1 is going to really get some attention. I could see 1080p native or maybe even 1440p, at a more stable 60.
I'm more excited about actually playing said game.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Here is a video of Mark Cerny talking about PS4 Pro 1080p TV enhancements during the PlayStation Meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l44DpEF8QcI
Can't believe how many people either missed, or choose to ignore this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l44DpEF8QcI
Can't believe how many people either missed, or choose to ignore this....
I don't think much will change. They are still using the current gen consoles as baseline. In that scenario, they will only put minimum effort into these incremental units because its easier on development. This will also likely apply to Scorpio as well.
Yes you will. Just by recognizing the 30% CPU bump for Pro, every game will have stabler framerates by default than the original unit. And regardless of what TV you have, games will look significantly better than PS4, either by downsampling the higher pixel image, or having a dedicated 1080p optimized mode.
Its very simple, i'm not sure where the confusion from this very simple concept is coming from.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Battlefield 1 And FIFA 17 Graphics Will Be Upgraded For PS4 Pro EA
Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/battlefield-1...e-upgraded-for-ps4-pro-ea#JvAgbphZHRI4iz4e.99
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
If only there were PS4 PRO esclusives (or the PS4 was released with PS4 PRO specs) we would see real wonders.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Anything above 1080p with the maximum details is enough for me. I don't ask for native 4K from those games. 60 FPS is already guaranteed there.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
That would go against the whole concept of the PS4 Pro and the Xbox Scorpio for that matter.
At the end of the day, Pro is a PS4 and Scorpio is an Xbox One. Both companies have been very clear about this and have gone on record saying this.
Edit: in anticipation of the Xbox fans crying bloody murder, I will just leave a quote from the Phil Spencer interview at Gamespot a couple of days ago
Phil Spencer said:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-head-phil-spencer-talks-scorpio-ps4-pro-4k-re/1100-6444198/
jabberwocker
Banned
I am sure not many people watched the conference. Even the media that did, seem not to understand. If you want to see proof of that, watch the kind of funny reaction where someone there loses it because they don't understand the purpose of it. Its kind of funny.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Not at all. While PS4 PRO is considered among this gen and must stick to it, Microsoft explicitely confirmed that there are no gens anymore for them (more like PC route now) and devs are free to whteher improve available Xbox One games or develop exclusive games for Scorpio. That is why I wished PS4 PRO would follow the same path.
Edit: My bad then, it must have been the early unclear informations at that time. I think the MicroSoft confirmed exclusive VR only games on Scorpio.
I mean of course, that goes without saying
No they didn't