Steelyuhas
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Designers never play the games lol.
Interesting that the grenades are in the top right on this, but in the DMR screenshot, they are on the top left.
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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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Designers never play the games lol.
Interesting that the grenades are in the top right on this, but in the DMR screenshot, they are on the top left.
Ellis is a designer now
Steelyuhas
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Looks like it.
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Breaking trends!
In all seriousness though, it is common for people involved in the core design process from the beginning of development not play it (at least while still in development).
You need to learn the map. They do not spawn in random places, or times. There are systems within systems for time. They can be learned. And there will be new strategies for drops.
VivaciousJazzy
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I remember getting a better look at it during the video. I'll catch a screenshot of it once I'm done capturing clips for THC, unless someone else wants to look for me.
Bregmann Roche
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What makes Halo feel like Halo is going to be a moving target for anyone regardless of what they say.
Before Reach I would've said that sprint doesn't belong in Halo, but now I'm pretty well adjusted to it so in a sense Reach changed my mind on what is "Halo".
On the other hand I also would've said "slow strafing speed is not something that belongs in Halo" and Reach actually verified that rather nicely.
So to me Halo is going to be an ever-evolving experience with some things being less likely to "feel like Halo" than other things. I happen to think a lot of the ideas in Reach could've worked if they had another layer or two of polish. Armor lock was an awful idea from day one (a mechanic that effectively stops combat for both players involved in a 1v1 conflict? Really? I have over 2,000 Rejection medals and none of them were fun). Camo and jetpack both could've been fun with some tweaks/nerfing, so I can imagine a Halo 4 that has all of these things and remains competitive and fun.
That being the case, right now I tend to relate to kylej's posts more than Hydra's, but that could be reversed by something as simple as a 5 minute gameplay video.
Before Reach I would've said that sprint doesn't belong in Halo, but now I'm pretty well adjusted to it so in a sense Reach changed my mind on what is "Halo".
On the other hand I also would've said "slow strafing speed is not something that belongs in Halo" and Reach actually verified that rather nicely.
So to me Halo is going to be an ever-evolving experience with some things being less likely to "feel like Halo" than other things. I happen to think a lot of the ideas in Reach could've worked if they had another layer or two of polish. Armor lock was an awful idea from day one (a mechanic that effectively stops combat for both players involved in a 1v1 conflict? Really? I have over 2,000 Rejection medals and none of them were fun). Camo and jetpack both could've been fun with some tweaks/nerfing, so I can imagine a Halo 4 that has all of these things and remains competitive and fun.
That being the case, right now I tend to relate to kylej's posts more than Hydra's, but that could be reversed by something as simple as a 5 minute gameplay video.
inb4inceptionorshyamalyamananyananpic
So sexy (the AR and the animation).
And Jason Jones, Griesemer and the rest of the guys involved with the old mp must be facepalming pretty hard at that light effect on Multiplayer.
How hard is this to do? High level stuff or what? Just a matter or memorization?
Sounds like a perfectly inuitive design choice that's sure to be a hit with new and lesser skilled players. Good change from the old imo.
KidA Seven
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Steelyuhas
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Condemned is one of those maps that is designed for 6v6 play, which is terrible because that doesn't really have much of a place in matchmaking. Games are overwhelmingly 8 players or 16, and a map like Condemned is too large for 4v4 and too small for 8v8.
Damn it, just explain how it works lol.
Um, I can sort of do it, but not execute on the information. Or panic. Or forget. You've all played against me, take that for what it's worth. Although I did score a one handed triple in Swat while talking to Lars about going to see Cabin in the Woods about twenty five minutes ago. ONE HANDED.
RebornYeti
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Franklinator
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They haven't added MechaKyle yet
Sounds good to me. That's what I was starting to think was going to be the case.
Who are you and what have you done with our Kyle?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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We'll need to have a rudimentary understanding of multivariable calculus to understand the systems in Halo 6.
Reagan's BR
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I've taken his job of complaining about changes for the evening.
RebornYeti
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Could be a trap.
HigherLevel
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You guys realize the brightness on that screen is partly because it's off screen right?
BackdoorBeauty
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I'm feeling better now.
Bregmann Roche
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I'm not sure it has to be that high. If someone played a few thousand games each of Marathon, Quake, and Unreal in High School/College and then went into game development would they really need to play 20,000 games of Halo (5k of each game) to understand how to make a good Halo game? Maybe several hundred to a thousand of each Halo, at most.
If you have an understanding of what makes FPS's fun in general then it probably wouldn't take long to figure out Halo's relationship to--and unique charm within--the genre.
Yeah, the game looks good and the audio sounds good, but I'm still super nervous. WHY DO I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT A GAME THAT IS IN DEVELOPMENT!!????!!!
EDIT:
If Frankie is playing against other Halo 4 devs, please ignore everything I said above.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Cabin in the Woods is so fucking good. If you're a horror fan, it's a must see.
It is interesting though. We'll just see how it pans out for each map.
Oh man, so much Quake 2/3 rocket arena...
I imagine it'll be similar to how Gears 3 cycles weapon spawns with system layered on top of it that has the weapon spawn affected by whether or not there is a player within a certain radius of the spawn point. I mean, if I wanted to enhancing the spawn systems that's what I would do.
Garrett 2U
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Every time I see glimpses of first person gameplay, I am blown away by how smooth it all looks.
It looks like more than 30 FPS, am I right? Would the off-screen have anything to do with it?
Don't get your hopes up.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Would it be possible to have the campaign be 30 FPS, but have multiplayer be 60?
People said that about the first Reach MP trailer. Was pretty funny.
Garrett 2U
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It really does though. But I seriously can't believe it.
The amazing lighting, the 720p resolution.
How could they pull that off?
First party Microsoft exclusive + one of largest IPs in video games = hundreds of millions of budget = makes the impossible, possible
But maybe it only looks so good on Wraparound because it doesn't have MechKyle butchering framerates!
Demoncarnotaur
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I go trout fishing today and come back to both epic news and drama, all of which made a fun read. Halo 4 news tomorrow on Conan? This should be really, really fun. I wonder if they will show anything new, or just go over things that we already know and throw the release date at us.
Also, if Nov. 6th is the date it will be interesting to see how they plan to market Halo 4 during prime CoD time.
That gif fills me with glee and disappointment- The lighting looks godly, but the AR looks straight out of Halo 3. If it weren't for the amazing lighting I would almost think it was off screen footage of narrows.
Also, if Nov. 6th is the date it will be interesting to see how they plan to market Halo 4 during prime CoD time.
My god, the art is amazing.. I wish they would have been able to fully realize it in the game.
That gif fills me with glee and disappointment- The lighting looks godly, but the AR looks straight out of Halo 3. If it weren't for the amazing lighting I would almost think it was off screen footage of narrows.
xxjuicesxx
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Thats pretty much my past besides Marathon is replaced with lots and lots of Doom.
I went Doom > UT > Quake3 > Goldeneye > Halo > COD > Halo Basically.
I guess past games can pass for experience but I'd like them to have a really good handle on whats worked and what doesn't work in Halo. Like the people working on the playlists still have very little knowledge of proper map/playlist control. Especially size related to weaponry and player count. This has been an issue since Halo 2 but it got real bad in 3 since the individual was so limited from the overbalancing.
So good.
People getting excited over an idle AR animation, what has HaloGAF become? I'll eat 2 dicks if it comes out on the same day as BLOPS 2.
Whatever framerate the actual game has, the video probably changed it and the gif changed it again.
The part surrounding the display and huge chunks on the rest of the weapon are now black. That's as different as I want them to make it. <3
ViewtifulJC
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Ok, what's up with Ram's first thought for bets/promises being dicks and sexual favors?
Sounds pretty suspect, bro
Sounds pretty suspect, bro
Hey, I only throw it out there when I know it ain't happenin'!