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2020 at the earliest.
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With XB1X and PS4 Pro. Can we expect this generation to last longer?
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Heckler456
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I don't think anyone rightfully knows what to expect.
JimmyRustler
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IIRC yearly console sales started to drop after 5 or 6 years.
They will milk this long as possible like every other dominant console. A dominant market leader has to be dragged into a new generation. Until there is another next generation machine there will be nothing from Sony.
ReplacementPelican
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I don't really feel the need for a new generation just yet. Days Gone, Spider-Man, God of War, Uncharted and Horizon all look absolutely amazing and I'm sure the 1X will blow me away too.
Just don't really see the point yet, maybe to remove the CPU bottleneck but even then I doubt it would be utilsied over fidelity anyway.
It'd be exciting, I'm just not sure how necessary it is yet.
Just don't really see the point yet, maybe to remove the CPU bottleneck but even then I doubt it would be utilsied over fidelity anyway.
It'd be exciting, I'm just not sure how necessary it is yet.
Any Questions
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And probably the rest
Herp Derpington
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People expecting a PS5 in 2019 need a wake up call. It's not gonna happen before 2020. The Pro and One X are fine for the next 3 years.
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Deleted member 752119
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I'm guessing it will last around 7-8 years like last gen. Fine by me, the more frequent consoles start updating the more apt I am to just drop them and go all in on PC where I can just upgrade components instead of replace whole consoles.
Musky_Cheese
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When they decided that 60 fps is important, then start a new generation. That's what I want. But I also want to win the powerball. Wonder which happens first.
YuriLowell
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2020 is the earliest a new generation could start.
I did note that Microsoft were - in some cases - framing 1X as a new generation in itself; making the point about how it would be compatible with all old titles, when - in my eyes - that's something I'd personally regarded as implicit anyway - it's implicit if you see it as a continuation of the current generation, but not automatically implicit if you regard it as a new gen in itself.
I suspect - in three-four years or so - we'll get a new Xbox, the games running on 1X but not 1 - but the way the stopgap generations have played out, that wouldn't be implied to be a new generation either.
(That's if the 1X works as a sales force, of course. If it flops... who knows?)
I suspect - in three-four years or so - we'll get a new Xbox, the games running on 1X but not 1 - but the way the stopgap generations have played out, that wouldn't be implied to be a new generation either.
(That's if the 1X works as a sales force, of course. If it flops... who knows?)
bemusedchunk
Banned
There are no more generations.
Think of iPhones/Samsungs
Think of iPhones/Samsungs
That sounds high to me. Although I'm speaking from an EU outlook, maybe they're more pervasive in the US?
I haven't personally met a person in the US who doesn't have a 4K TV in years. Personal anecdote and all. So 20% sounds really low to me. Hell, I don't think the local BestBuy even has 1080p TV's that aren't tiny on display.
I still think holiday 2018 is possible.
None of my family or close friends owns a 4k set yet. I may jump in with a C7, but I am waiting on CES to see what improvements are made for next years models. 4k is not mainstream yet, not even close.
2019, 2020.
The only issue is the mid gen refreshes didnt come out at the same time.
If Sony releases release the PS5 in 2019 I dont think MS will release their next gen system in 2019.
We might have an ongoing 1 year staggered head start for Nintendo, MS and Sony.
Those still have generations.
They also have tiers: low end, mid range, high end.
Their generations are just a whole lot shorter than consoles.
The only issue is the mid gen refreshes didnt come out at the same time.
If Sony releases release the PS5 in 2019 I dont think MS will release their next gen system in 2019.
We might have an ongoing 1 year staggered head start for Nintendo, MS and Sony.
Those still have generations.
They also have tiers: low end, mid range, high end.
Their generations are just a whole lot shorter than consoles.
ALLseeingEYE
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Not sure about Sony, but console Generations are a thing of the past for Microsoft. Your X1X will likely last you at least another 8 years, as it will be forwards compatible with the next Xbox, and all your games will carry over.i also expect all accessories will almost assuredly carry over as well.
All systems are on X86 architecture now, and dev tools aren't likely going to drastically change, they will moreso evolve. Think of things as being more fluid now, kind of like how on PC all your games and accessories still work on your new PC.
All systems are on X86 architecture now, and dev tools aren't likely going to drastically change, they will moreso evolve. Think of things as being more fluid now, kind of like how on PC all your games and accessories still work on your new PC.
I doubt 7nm process for high yield big die is ready by 2019.
God I hope not. Can we just enjoy the slow ride for once?
DonkeyKong
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I have a felling with the amount of time Microsoft has put into backwards compatibility with 360 and now Xbox games they won't be having a "next gen" as such, I'm not sure people would accept losing their digital library and having to start again..
Do you think Sony will do the same with the PS5 or start with a clean slate?
Do you think Sony will do the same with the PS5 or start with a clean slate?
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I think Internet infrastructure will play a bigger part on deciding the timeframe for the next boxes.
With what we have now, I can't see people investing in consoles with games sized 200gb plus.
I mean shit, Gears 4, Halo 5 and BF1 are all pretty close to 100gigs each.
Surely new consoles would mean bigger games
With what we have now, I can't see people investing in consoles with games sized 200gb plus.
I mean shit, Gears 4, Halo 5 and BF1 are all pretty close to 100gigs each.
Surely new consoles would mean bigger games
Barry Burton
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This is my general feeling as well. Games take a lot longer to make now, and as a result it just doesn't feel like a generation that's approaching its end. I think this generation could potentially be the longest yet, especially if more significant hardware revisions are still to come.
The Abominable Snowman
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Next year I think we will see price drops on the hardware, and the year after that miniaturization or redesign as well as exclusive games as those platforms shift to be the "main" console platform and the gen will kind of reset. I feel like we're at best 5-6 years away from PS5/Xbox Next.
Definitely can see the OG PS4/XBOne chips being redesigned into being built into TVs, small diskless STBs, and maybe even portables in a years' time.
Definitely can see the OG PS4/XBOne chips being redesigned into being built into TVs, small diskless STBs, and maybe even portables in a years' time.
Well what defines a new generation?
I don't see Sony making a PS5 now and not allowing PS4 games to be played on it.
This guy gets it
Have you heard about PS4 Pro And Xbox One X?
If anything, things will be sped up from now on.
I really don't get the confused logic on Gaf sometimes.
"Pro and X are ok, because they don't diminish PS4 and X1" - Ok, so we can assume that those system are a niche market, which means on the other hand that tons of people in 2020 will own a 5-7 year old system
"Sony doesn't need a PS5 because their sales are not slowing down" - Still they have released a "half-assed" iteration in 2016.
I don't get the fear? Most people are buying new phones every 2-4 years.
There will be lots of cross-plattform games I assume in 2019, 2020: Next GTA will be released with PS 4, Pro and PS5 in mind. Last of US 2 will be a PS4 and PS5 game. Runnig at 4K, 60 fps on the new machine. Where's the problem?
Chances are that PS5 will play PS4 games (if they stick with x86), but not the other way around. If Sony partners up with AMD again and if they make PS5 run on a Zen + Vega/Navi based APU than it will be significantly more powerful than the current gen.
Christ, who knows. Either you argue Nintendo already started the new generation, or it's starting up in a year and a half with a PS5 or XB5.2.
This thread only made me realize how stupid the concept of generations are in today's modern gaming industry. Everything is upside down and we're all in uncharted territory, unsure of what to expect. These are multibillion dollar companies who are only now reacting to the disposable tech market and we're seeing the ball rolling and picking up speed. It's a slow and painful death to imagine a 7 year long generation again but as others have mentioned, we're in year 4 technically (or Nintendo is in year <1). Intervals are ancient now, we need something more gradient to describe generations, like colours. We can argue Nintendo is in a purple cycle with the Switch, young and fresh, PS4 and Xbox one are in the green having hit their stride in terms of games, and with the advancements of Pro and the 'bonks they're looking at yellow and yellow-orange, respectively, the hardware itself evolving and maturing but hitting a peak before they inevitably have to build a new console from scratch.
This thread only made me realize how stupid the concept of generations are in today's modern gaming industry. Everything is upside down and we're all in uncharted territory, unsure of what to expect. These are multibillion dollar companies who are only now reacting to the disposable tech market and we're seeing the ball rolling and picking up speed. It's a slow and painful death to imagine a 7 year long generation again but as others have mentioned, we're in year 4 technically (or Nintendo is in year <1). Intervals are ancient now, we need something more gradient to describe generations, like colours. We can argue Nintendo is in a purple cycle with the Switch, young and fresh, PS4 and Xbox one are in the green having hit their stride in terms of games, and with the advancements of Pro and the 'bonks they're looking at yellow and yellow-orange, respectively, the hardware itself evolving and maturing but hitting a peak before they inevitably have to build a new console from scratch.
Nikodemos
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The next PS and XB will have baked-in backwards compatibility since they're running on the same processor platform at higher speeds. Whether the halfway iterations (Pro, 1X) will be able to run their games at degraded performance/details is something we have to wait and see about.
family_guy
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Not for Sony. I expect PS5 by 2019, however I expect PS4 to be actively supported at least through 2021.
Dee Dah Dave
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Sure, I think that is the whole point. Maybe not much longer but similar to the previous one. Plus next gen won't be until 7nm tech is readily available and matured a little.
And this gen has plenty of life left in it. Red Dead is only coming next year and I suspect a GTAVI too before this gen is out...
And this gen has plenty of life left in it. Red Dead is only coming next year and I suspect a GTAVI too before this gen is out...
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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With the 7nm manufacturing process going into risk production this year, we could be seeing volume production by the back end of 2018.
That means that by 2019, 7nm will be a mature process and ripe for new-gen consoles.
I don't see Sony waiting till 2020 if the manufacturing technology is there for a 2019 launch.
We could very well see PS5 launching in the fall of 2019.
Edit:
If PS4 continues selling on its current trajectory, they'll hit 100m PS4s by the end of 2019. That would be the perfect time to launch PS5.
That means that by 2019, 7nm will be a mature process and ripe for new-gen consoles.
I don't see Sony waiting till 2020 if the manufacturing technology is there for a 2019 launch.
We could very well see PS5 launching in the fall of 2019.
Edit:
If PS4 continues selling on its current trajectory, they'll hit 100m PS4s by the end of 2019. That would be the perfect time to launch PS5.
Me neither, but I don't think PS5 games will play on PS4.
Vital Tundra
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I can't see it being any shorter than the last generation. Might very well be longer.
Hidden One
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Why people already looking to 8k? 4k aint enough? Geez
WilsonX100
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is that not the purpose of the Pro and Xbox One X?
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Possibly, although I do think a part of the justification for them is to prevent the higher end gamers with the most disposable income moving off to PC to play multiplatform games there where they can access more modern hardware.
I see a PS5/Xbox Next battle royale in 2020. You won't see a big move until chip technology takes another jump.