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Retro Studios Hires Uncharted 3, Darksiders Artists. Crunch Time "This Year"
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Eh?
Cygnus X-1
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LOL
The selection process on GAF should also include a knowledge test in the first place.
LOL. I hope this collaboration does happen but the whole game is made up of nothing but motion and touch controls. I would love to see how much of this "objective" criticism is actually new control style hate.
Ridleyscott
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I was talking about every Zelda game since OoT having Fischer-Price game mechanics - not just SS. Zelda went to crap after ALttP.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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you forgot the "imo" dude.
Oh you're one of those people. I would love to know what you mean by Fischer-Price game mechanics though. Should be entertaining.
Whaaaat? so no OoT? no MM? no WW? are you serious?
Aonuma is the man directly responsible for creating the 3D dungeons of Zelda. He was basically the guy that took Tezuka's 2D dungeons, and crafted his signature 3D dungeons. Basically the most important thing about 3D Zelda. Tezuka unfortunately has not been involved in any 3D design of any game. Matter of fact, he is admittedly not very good at it. It is a foreign subject to him. But a lot of the other complaints about the Zelda series are things that might be from the higher ups that will not change by a developer changing hands, if Miyamoto still wants to impose constraints.
What universe is this? How about Panzer Dragoon team and Kojima Productions instead.
Yokoi was never a game designer. Sakamoto was the man who can be credited with creating the structure of Metroid. Metroid 1, Metroid 3, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission are all his structural planning.
How so? By one entry in the series you don't like of each?
Franchuzas87
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Now this thread is officially madness.
Cygnus X-1
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Ignis Fatuus
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I wish I never made this thread.
Ridleyscott
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Those games aren't bad games, generally speaking, but they don't have the feel of Zelda. They veered way off course.... As far as I'm concerned, there are three Zelda games - I, II, and III. Everything else is just a themed off-shoot without the game mechanics (here I mean how the game "feels" to play - the way the character and enemies control) and without the sense of adventure.
ShockingAlberto
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Goddamnit, you guys should know better than to reply to RidleyScott.
shadyspace
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You rebel.
ColdBlooder
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If you wanna work for Bethesda, you should mark "C" on your questioning form, or else you won´t get the job!
Its mandatory!
j/k
You'd think people would have figured this out by now.
How can you not like OoT? The rest I agree with though.
May rats eat your eyes!if you post another bad quality image of ED
Mine suited the post.
I'm so sorry
Ridleyscott
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Exactly - you said it better than I did.
Unfortunately.
Apparently, neither is anyone else at Nintendo.
That is why he would be leaving along with Aonuma and Sakamoto.
Fine... put them in their too.
He is the creator of Metroid... he may have understood the experience it was trying to deliver to the consumer. Sakamoto does not.
Because consumers don't believes it until they sees it.
It's excellent popcorn material. Enjoy it while it lasts.
But the 3D dungeons of Zelda are the best part. In fact. They are the paradigm of level design in the industry. The complaints range on other matters. Wow. Were you serious?
Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess have unparallel 3D level design. Nintendo's faults are certainly not designing levels.
No he is not. Yokoi had nothing to do with any of that. There are some good team interviews out there explaining how the game came together. Yokoi had very little to do with it.
Ghost_Protocol
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That's what I'm hoping for. The traditional Zelda formula has gotten ridiculously boring.
MadOdorMachine
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I have to admit I don't understand the appeal of Retro doing a StarFox or F-Zero game. There are devs that are better suited for them imo. Treasure would make a great StarFox and Sega did a superb job with F-Zero. Kamiya (Platinum Games) has also expressed an interest in wanting to do a StarFox game. They all seem a lot better fit than Retro.
I really think what would suit both Retro and Nintendo best would be a first person or third person original IP.
I really think what would suit both Retro and Nintendo best would be a first person or third person original IP.
Yep, a spin off starring Zelda herself.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Good thing Skyward Sword changed it up quite a bit.
Ridleyscott
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According to who?
Well, I don't know... I don't think they were that great - theres just too much stuff in the way that keeps my interest. The thing about the early Zelda and metroid games is that they were simple, intriguing, and complex all at the same time.
"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
-- Antoine de Saint-Exuper According to the info I've read, he is.
Must be a wierd and scary world the one you live in.
So the made up Zelda game Retro Studios is developing in dream world is a Zelda spinoff so we shouldn't worry? Whew.
Give the genre some credit. The evidence points towards Retro Studios working on a First Person Shooter, but it would likely be an FPA like the original Metroid Prime and Bioshock. Not exactly a typical dudebro FPS.
What info? There is no first-hand source ever stating Yokoi contributed design to Metroid or any game. Infact, the only game there is proof of Yokoi having a design in is Dr. Mario. Yokoi was more of a hardware engineer and inventor. There are published team interviews from the original Metroid team explaining how the game was developed. How the original Metroid designers were making a straight forward action game, that Sakamoto changed into the adventure item-driven exploration Metroid we know.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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OK, all games have to go for minimalism from now on, or else they can't be perfect.
You heard it here first, folks.
Skyward Sword:
Collect 3 macguffins. Prolong plot resolution. Collect more macguffins. (Hell Ocarina of Time itself subverts this with the awesome development of travelling 7 years into the future).
Go to Forest area. Interact with a big tree. Complete forest temple. (OoT, WW, TP (the tree being the temple itself this time round))
Go to Fire area. Climb active volcano. Complete Fire temple. (OoT, WW(Climb the volcano while inside the temple), TP (Volcano only seen from a distance - still spews rocks at you))
It's all become so by-the-numbers that there's hardly any excitement in Zelda anymore.
Cerebral Assassin
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For one SS was a prequel, it was expected to show places we have already seen, its one of the cool things about setting games in the same world, secondly all the time travelling aspects(& the implications shown) was pretty new to the Zelda franchise
Ridleyscott
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Whatever it is, I hope it does not include in-game tutorials which have become such a cancer in modern games.
DAT IMAGE. My nipples are erect and lactating.May rats eat your eyes!if you post another bad quality image of ED
Chatta chatta chatta chatturgha!
I think we'll see more change in Zelda after Skyward Sword considering it was sort of meant to be a "Best of" Zelda title with motion controls. (I think it succeeded on that point).
I actually see Skyward Sword as the Final Fantasy 9 of the Zelda series.
Edit: Oh god, I hope I didn't jinx it. Next Zelda to be in a semi-post apocalyptic water...wait a second, that already happened
and it was good.
Cerebral Assassin
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If games didn't have in-game tutorials, the games industry would be in serious trouble.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Sure you can make all those points, and on paper it would seem like you have a good point.
But when you actually play the game, it feels way different than any previous Zelda game. It didn't FEEL like "go to this area, beat the dungeon, repeat until you win." And honestly, that's not what the game was. It was quite a deviation from the standard formula, and if you didn't like SS, then maybe Zelda as a franchise just isn't for you.
Yep. Printing manuals is expensive
Edit: Seriously though, why can't games do it like The Witcher 2? It has a separate tutorial level that you don't have to play to start the game. Well, it was added later but still, better concept than to force feed you a slow tutorial sequence (Hello Zelda!)
Cerebral Assassin
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I doubt the next Zelda game will come with a printed manual.
I was sort of semi-serious actually. It makes complete sense from a business standpoint to just get rid of manuals altogether as they don't really serve a purpose anymore considering how tiny and useless they've become.
Ridleyscott
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Looking in the manual was always a part of the experience in early days. If you couldn't figure something out, you would read the story and see if there were any clues, read the controls again, read the enemies list, read the tips, etc. You look through all the concept art in the manual. Metal Gear had a frequency on the back of the box that you needed. The experience in modern games is lacking.
Mixing the manual and the gameplay is a vital mistake in modern design.
Mixing the manual and the gameplay is a vital mistake in modern design.
Every new Zelda game does things differently. Some are a success in the eyes of gamers and other are not. But Nintendo never evolves the good ideas into something better i.e. the involving sidequests in Majora's Mask, the real time open world in Wind Waker, the pointer functionality of weapons in TP. They abandon progress and return to the Ocarina of Time template. And once again we end up with a mixed bag of new ideas that faintly wiffs of stagnation.
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