Been almost 2 years since I was smoker and would never go back. I have noticed massive improvements in my health and the way I feel daily. I don't smell like a fucking ashtray anymore and even save more money by vaping. My personal experience is that vaping is considerably better for you than smoking.
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how is vaping supposed to help you cut back on smoking?
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show me your skeleton
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https://youtu.be/-0w57ZoloYc
this is what vapers actually believe.
this is what vapers actually believe.
'Your tests are fine'? You can screen for lung cancer now? Impressive, tell me more.
Shisha in general is still incredibly harmful for your lungs. Do some actual research.
Coriolanus
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depends on the kinda juice you're using, obv. Also not a matter of being much better, but of being less shit. At a minimum, you should at least be ditching tar and whatever's in the paper smoke in regular cigs. Can see how your nicotine consumption is going by comparing how much is in the juice you're using, then calc if its up or down.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why can't you guys just link the sources behind your assertions instead of posturing?
clay_ghost
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No more 2nd hand smoke.
Beer Monkey
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Plus dozens of other known toxic and carcinogenic chemicals.
Nicotine might not be the only addictive chemical in tobacco smoke.
Because most people don't have institutional access to sources like say, Pubmed.
But i'm on my phone, i'll link some sources later.
That fact doesn't tell you much on its own. Caffeine is a moderately addictive stimulant. Yet most people could drink 6 cups a day for years without doing long-term damage to their bodies.
As far as addictive chemicals go, nicotine - separated from all the carcinogens involved in cigarettes - is pretty low on the harm scale for adults.
It's the main one.
I've been debating about buying a vape. The thing is, I only smoke about a pack a week right now so my actual physical addiction to nicotine is minimal. If I start vaping all the time without being able to control myself by like counting the cigs remaining in my pack for the week, I can see my nicotine consumption going way up.
Seconding this, and would also suggest to get tobacco flavor using a low wattage, mouth to lung setup (Nautilus, Kayfun-style, etc.) which imitates the feel of a cigarette pretty well. A decent vape pen could do the job as well nowadays. This was the advice I got from my local store to wean me off all the smoking habits and rituals. That was now a year ago and I still haven't finished my emergency/nights out pack of stinkies that I bought on the same day.
CrimzonSamurai
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As others have said just start at a higher nicotine level and gradually bring it down, eventually you'll just prefer the taste so much you'll quit cigs entirely. I was a pack a day + smoker for like 5 years and now I hate cigs. Reducing nicotine gradually and now I'm down to 6 from 18 a year ago.
It's probably not harmless but nicotine isn't carcinogenic by itself and it's probably better than inhaling *any* smoke, weed included.
It's probably not harmless but nicotine isn't carcinogenic by itself and it's probably better than inhaling *any* smoke, weed included.
sankt-Antonio
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You guys vaping now are still after the same drug, you never smoked fags for their tar and shit it was always for the nicotine - if you still vaping using nicotine, well you are still "smoking" ,no?
But i do guess that being able to slowly reduce the nicotine level (without vaping just more often) could help cutting back.
But i do guess that being able to slowly reduce the nicotine level (without vaping just more often) could help cutting back.
I used vaping to quit cigarettes, and then dropped the nicotine content until it was zero. Then I quit vaping. So yeah it does work, but only if you actually want to quit and are willing to put some effort in.
I miss smoking though, but that's a whole different thing.
I miss smoking though, but that's a whole different thing.
Impeccable
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My brother quit smoking and vapes instead, I'll take a win where I can get one when it comes to habits.
LocknessMobster
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Glad i quit smoking
I'm going to try and cut out cigs this summer and ease into vaping once I have a job and my own place. I was able to quit for a good month but school came in and wrecked me.
I love vapes and once I'm in my own space I plan on buying one or a little hookah
Edit: I love the feeling of a good drag, and some vapes hit your throat in a super nice way. For me, I like the nicotine but I love the "escape from whatever I'm doing for a breath of fresh air" and the social aspect
I find that vaping takes a second for the feel to settle in, but the feel I get is pretty great and I feel more clearheaded and less inebriated vs smoking a bowl (if that makes any sense)
Also some vapes don't stink at all and you can roast the same lettuce a couple times before it's cashed. ymmv, of course
I love vapes and once I'm in my own space I plan on buying one or a little hookah
Edit: I love the feeling of a good drag, and some vapes hit your throat in a super nice way. For me, I like the nicotine but I love the "escape from whatever I'm doing for a breath of fresh air" and the social aspect
I find that vaping takes a second for the feel to settle in, but the feel I get is pretty great and I feel more clearheaded and less inebriated vs smoking a bowl (if that makes any sense)
Also some vapes don't stink at all and you can roast the same lettuce a couple times before it's cashed. ymmv, of course
andythinkpad
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You can get vaping juice of different nicotine percentage, including 0%. It really helps you analyze what is the addidict part in your personal smoking habit.
To me, the addidict part is the inhaling and exhaling of steam. I never care about the getting the smoke to my hung part that much, which makes me a minority in smokers.
I don't vape now because my wife fucking hid the kit. I still miss vaping from time to time but not smoking.
I wouldn't doubt if it causes an increase of chance having pneumonia or something. I mean your inhaling hot vapor lol
I felt like you at first OP. Was vaping a ton in all these indoor settings where I couldnt have smoked before. Even smoked cigs still for a while. Eventually got fed up with cigs vs vaping and was vape only, then vaping gradually slowed. Backslid a few times but eventually just stopped any smoking/vaping altogether. It was weird because I didnt start vaping to quit smoking, just liked the convenience.
Got really excited about quitting and tried to be a vape evangelist for a while but few other smokers wanted to try vaping. Lots said they hated vaping or it wasn't the same feeling as smoking so whatever, worked for me and that was what mattered most.
Got really excited about quitting and tried to be a vape evangelist for a while but few other smokers wanted to try vaping. Lots said they hated vaping or it wasn't the same feeling as smoking so whatever, worked for me and that was what mattered most.
It doesn't imo. Not nearly as satisfying as that wonderful tast of a rolly or a spirit or a cigar.
Vapes also fuck up my throat more than cigs too for some reason. I think cause yeah of what you say, you're basically hitting it all the time vs just every now and then.
I'd be interested in say like a pack a week of organic tobacco vs vaping high quantities of nicotine juice.
I can quit cold turkey for varying amounts of time, but yeah I end up smoking at some point again even after months of no smokes. I'd like to quit entirely but it's hard to see not having at least an occasional bit of tobacco every now and again.
Vapes also fuck up my throat more than cigs too for some reason. I think cause yeah of what you say, you're basically hitting it all the time vs just every now and then.
I'd be interested in say like a pack a week of organic tobacco vs vaping high quantities of nicotine juice.
I can quit cold turkey for varying amounts of time, but yeah I end up smoking at some point again even after months of no smokes. I'd like to quit entirely but it's hard to see not having at least an occasional bit of tobacco every now and again.
Clockwork5
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It's not pretty much the same and your opinion is not relevant.
In the couple of decades vaping has been around, no one has died from ripping cotton. While in the same period of time smoking has killed hundreds of thousands.
Just wait for the vaping haters to show up. Society has told them it's okay to be shitholes to smokers, and their tiny brains can't handle the difference between the two because they like being able to hate and talk shit about people openly without feeling bad about it. This leads them to coming up with some of the most asinine arguments to justify disliking vapers just so they can continue to be dicks to people without being admonished for it.
A lot of these are additives though correct? Not all tobacco has all this shit.
Alright, here goes:
Chest. 2011 Apr;139(4):764-74. doi: 10.1378/chest.10-0991. Epub 2010 Jul 29.
Effects of water-pipe smoking on lung function: a systematic review and meta-analysis.
Raad D1, Gaddam S, Schunemann HJ, Irani J, Abou Jaoude P, Honeine R, Akl EA.
Int J Public Health. 2017 Jan;62(1):73-83. doi: 10.1007/s00038-016-0856-2. Epub 2016 Jul 15.
Cancer risk in waterpipe smokers: a meta-analysis.
Mamtani R1, Cheema S2, Sheikh J3, Al Mulla A4, Lowenfels A5, Maisonneuve P6.
Clin Med (Lond). 2015 Jun;15(3):263-6. doi: 10.7861/clinmedicine.15-3-263.
A review of the health effects of smoking shisha.
Kadhum M1, Sweidan A1, Jaffery AE1, Al-Saadi A1, Madden B2.
Tob Control. 2015 Mar;24 Suppl 1:i22-i30. doi: 10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2014-051907. Epub 2015 Feb 9.
Toxicant content, physical properties and biological activity of waterpipe tobacco smoke and its tobacco-free alternatives.
Shihadeh A1, Schubert J2, Klaiany J3, El Sabban M4, Luch A5, Saliba NA6.
I could go on and on if you guys want, this is the first page of my first search. This stuff is really not up for debate. Shisha/Hookah/Waterpipe smoking is unequivocally proven to be harmful for the lungs.
One hookah 'session' is also estimated to be equivalent to smoking 100 or more cigarettes, as per the WHO.
So yeah, please don't think you're doing your lungs a favor by smoking shisha/hookah all day. Educate yourself.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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HELL YES. Great post, man. Much better than the misinformation and conjecture all around this thread before.
Breathing kills you confirmed
mehrmantrout
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Giving up smoking is a simple exercise, if you really have had enough and want to give up, the key is not being a dick and starting again after a year (i've done this 3 times :d )
If you try to force it with patches and vaping its a one way ticket to carrying on, I went on the 24mg juice (now banned in the UK) for a while and trying to quit that was something akin to going cold turkey from crack or heroin
Edit my breathing is way worse vaping, as said in the op you're pretty much inhaling shit non stop, all day
If you try to force it with patches and vaping its a one way ticket to carrying on, I went on the 24mg juice (now banned in the UK) for a while and trying to quit that was something akin to going cold turkey from crack or heroin
Edit my breathing is way worse vaping, as said in the op you're pretty much inhaling shit non stop, all day
SuperStiltzkin
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It's a shame there's still lots of dumb people out there who view vaping as somehow less manly. Like, somehow you're braver for filling your lungs with smoke. How dare you try to quit smoking you coward. And there's also the entire culture that people are trying to cultivate around it.
JoeyJungle
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Yeah, but by itself, it's not really any worse for you than caffeine. The reason cigarettes cause cancer is because of the cancer-causing agents in tobacco smoke, not the nicotine.
Vaping has essentially no carcinogens. Studies are trying to find if there's absolutely no carcinogens, or if it's releasing carcinogens at levels so low that they're virtually undetectable. Some studies show the presence of formaldehyde, while others do not, which gives the impression that those results are different due to different testing methods, and that particular carcinogen perhaps only shows up under specific circumstances/misuse (vaping "dry", burning the wick, voltage too high, etc. Basically any scenario where instead of vaping, you're burning the wicking elements of the vape)
Regardless, in either scenario, vaping either produces zero or near zero carcinogens. That makes it much safer.
Another health concern is the effect of regularly inhaling heated vapor into the lungs, and the effects of that on lung performance. But that's completely unrelated to cancer, and so far I've seen that just mentioned as a possible aspect to study rather than any studies indicating that it has negative effects.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36139618
Al-ibn Kermit
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I hate vape culture just like I hate tuner culture which is almost nearly as bad as gamer culture. But I kinda like all those things too. Weird.
On topic, it's a danger-mitigation product. I'm sure vaping is worse than just breathing air but you cannot make any statement about how bad it is relative to INHALING BURNING TAR into your lungs. That's a bad move. Have to see the research first.
Vestal
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A lot of the problem with vaping is that there is hardly any regulation around the devices and the Juices. A lot of juice companies put in some questionable shit into their juice, along with creating devices that are simply unsafe. A lot of people that work in the industry also do not take the time to educate their customers on the proper use of the devices.
From my research I have stuck to Vaporfi for my juice, since they seem to be the safest when it comes to how they manage their juice and adhere to regulations. I also make sure to keep my mod at a low heat level, never burning at over 4.3 volts.
From my research I have stuck to Vaporfi for my juice, since they seem to be the safest when it comes to how they manage their juice and adhere to regulations. I also make sure to keep my mod at a low heat level, never burning at over 4.3 volts.
Al-ibn Kermit
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If you're just starting out, you should go to 24 mg as that's considered an equivalent nicotine hit per puff as a cigarette.
Vestal
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When I quit smoking I tried 24mg... Didn't even get through 1 third a bottle before I had to switch to 18... It has too big a throat hit.
Just to clarify here, you're talking about Shisha/hookah/waterpipe and not vapes right? Or is that all kinda lumped into the same thing? Honest question.
styl3s
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This is how i quit.
I gradually went down on the nicotine level until i was at 0 and then quit. The smoke "anywhere" entirely depends on the person because i didn't vape in my house so i still had to go outside every time i wanted to smoke and i never vaped in public outside of my car so i never smoked anymore than i did when i smoked cigs.
Should have asked if you could have a puff and then winked at her
If you're buying a decent build and tank I totally don't recommend this at all. I remember one time when the guys who mix my shit accidentally mixed a 24 mix instead of a 10 and it totally wrecked my shit even trying to vape it when using a subohm tank. Forever resolved my fears of accidentally overvapping with a wrong nic mix though, lol
Took it back in and dude was like "I didn't mess it up, bullshit" took one hit and was choking back tears trying to hide how fucking hard it was hitting him lmao
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