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Stephen Elop to become new lead of MS' devices division, including Xbox.
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ShinobiFist
Banned
You have to bless the guy that help MS buy them for cheap. Some people forget he use to work at MS....
professor_t
Member
What do you mean by "net profit." The Xbox division routinely turns a profit now. Are you comparing the profit it yields on an annual basis with the investment in the console ecosystem over the entire lifespan of the Xbox brand? That's an interesting approach.
polyh3dron
Banned
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You couldn't be anymore wrong, he's a lot better than Larson-Green from a consumer perspective, which is what Xbox happens to be .. a consumer device.
Quite interesting to see how Microsoft employees are returning in one way or another. First there is Peter Moore (EA) with the “special” partnership and now Elop, who seemingly ran down Nokia in order to adjust the price for Microsoft. Next up: Xbox One exclusive game by Zynga!!!
It´s similar to how Goldman Sachs operates ;-)
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= 6 / 3 = 3 = Half Life 3!!!
It´s similar to how Goldman Sachs operates ;-)
EDIT:
= 6 / 3 = 3 = Half Life 3!!!
DragonSworne
Banned
And everyone seems to forget that Nokia lost most of their value well before Elop joined.
Look at their financials in 2009, it was a sinking ship.
So they should have gamers instead of a businessman at the head of their multi-billion dollar Xbox division?
diffusionx
Gold Member
To a lot of people, Samsung = Android and Android = Samsung. Samsung sunk a lot of money in the Galaxy brand and its paid off handsomely.
Samsung rolled the entire market in 2011-2012, including Motorola. HTC and LG are really struggling right now and Moto is basically irrelevant. Google shouldn't have bought them.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
Member
I lol'd so hard.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
The fact that they paid less for Nokia, a huge brand at that, than Skype is very telling.. Very. Elop was a Trojan..
Real truth right there. They were using MeeGo and Symbian 3 years after the iPhone, which is insane. MeeGo was nowhere near ready to replace Symbian, even then. A lot of people think Android would have saved them. Considering that HTC is struggling under the weight of Samsung, I'm not sure that would have done Nokia any good. It certainly wouldn't have helped them during their transition, where Microsoft transfer payments kept them from melting down.
What's telling? The only way for them to buy Nokia's hardware division at that price was for Windows Phone to do poorly/fail. You think Microsoft let their big play into the growing mobile market fail just so they could buy Nokia?
Well that´s one of the theoies. I think it has more to do with Microsoft ensuring that WP is at least on one phone and not slipping into oblivion, seeing how HTC jumped ship after 8x and 8s.
Basileus777
Member
Look at the woman he's replacing. Those days were already gone.
Jumped ship? They're still a Windows Phone partner
Yes, it tells the story of a brand that peaked in 2007-2008 and was in freefall before Elop came on board.
Winterfang
Banned
Will he run it into the ground like he did with Nokia?
Not really, but they didn't expect this;
If I was a Nokia shareholder I would be looking for legal advice regarding this acquisition.
What's the source of those charts? I know they quote sources for the data, but that group of charts reads like some Nokia fan who hates Microsoft using data and a lot of confirmation bias to make it look like Nokia was doing fine and dandy before MS got involved. It's so off base from what most in the industry knows about the state of the company.
Nokia had almost completely disappeared from the US marketplace, Symbian inadequate to keep with other OSs, and the company was spiraling, held up only by it's low end market. Most of that data represent in that chart is explained by the fact that Nokia transitioned away from Symbian. That loss would have been there with Meego/Manhattan, even with Android. New devices don't do anything when most of your market is moving to iphone.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
It has nothing to do with the fact that Windows phone failed because there was a lot at motion such as the attention to hardware. Nokia wasn't doing anything extremely risky in that sense and certainly wasn't trying hard to really market the device in outside regions. It's got rid of its own OS just for Windows 8? Come on, they knew that they could of made riskier hardware with another OS system but they didn't because obviously it was a ship he had no intentions on saving. People can't even use HTC as an example because HTC hasn't been in the business as long as Nokia neither do they have the brand appeal.
True. But apparently there is a tendency of jumping ship. Not suprising as they are loosing market share on the android front against samsung.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130813PD205.html
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Switching to WP instead to Android was the biggest mistake here. And that's Elop fault.
why?
Do you think Elop made that decision alone?
BTW, Nokia's smartphone sales aren't really that far behind the non-Samsung Android OEMs.
Bluekaveli
Member
Sadly, that's the same thing I said in my head.
They made a billion dollar deal with Microsoft to use Windows Phone. Symbian and Maemo/Meego were going no where. They were allowed to focus on hardware and Microsoft let them mess with certain areas of Windows Phone that they didn't allow other device manufacturers to do. $1 billion wouldn't have come from any other company had they chose another OS. On top of all that, it wasn't only Elop's decision, it was approved by the board.
Nokia has always had great hardware shit software.
He's a perfect fit if the xb1 design wasn't already set in stone.
polyh3dron
Banned
Mattrick gave half a shit about games.. Not a full shit but at least it was something. Elop, not so much.
Warm Machine
Member
No way the Xbox division is getting spun off. Now MS has a hardware center for phones and have pretty much aligned all their devices under a single brand and OS they will not start destroying that unity they have been striving to attain.
The whole company is getting a re-org it seems to try to make it all run better. It will take 3 or so years to see the benefits, if at all, of all of this change.
The whole company is getting a re-org it seems to try to make it all run better. It will take 3 or so years to see the benefits, if at all, of all of this change.
Syphon Filter
Member
how come they got him then?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
So neither Elop nor Julie know anything about gaming. This will be interesting. They could exceed our wildest expectations and actually be successful because of that they walk into this without any preconceived notions. Or they could fail pretty bad. I honestly think its a boom or bust kind deal. Too bad Mattrick hampered their start though.
I don't get it. What are you trying to say?
Flatline
Banned
It's his prize for ruining Nokia.
I'd take this rumor with a large grain of salt. They've just completed a large re-org, which puts Green in charge of the hardware division - and now mere months (weeks?) later, they pull a switcheroo for Elop? Considering the Nokia deal has been in the works for a while, that doesn't make a great deal of sense.
Nor does it make sense for Elop to be given that position when per Balmer, he's in the mix for the CEO position.
Consider me highly skeptical.
Nor does it make sense for Elop to be given that position when per Balmer, he's in the mix for the CEO position.
Consider me highly skeptical.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I want to think that Elop was the only delusional folk at Nokia pushing for WP, even so he was the CEO after all, he should have the last word in a decision so important for the longterm of the company.
Also while their Lumia sales aren't that far behind, still other Android OEM's are still growing further and they are also stealing their feauture phone sales. Droping their market share percentage like a stone.
IISANDERII
Member
I was going to say Yay a Canadian dude, maybe the days of abuse are over! But then I saw your post
Going by the "Elop Effect", can I now blame him for delaying Xbox One in Scandinavia?
The market is expanding. Nokia could have gained thousands of new costumers and their share could still drop.
The market is expanding. Nokia could have gained thousands of new costumers and their share could still drop.
diffusionx
Gold Member
The idea that Nokia was riding high with Symbian and was on the path to smartphone domination only until evil Elop put his plan into place is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Thanks for that.