It's important to me because I really don't think Soul Hackers will ever come out here. I'd pretty much resigned myself to never playing it.
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RUMOR: 3DS finally hacked?
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It's important to me because I really don't think Soul Hackers will ever come out here. I'd pretty much resigned myself to never playing it.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Nintendo's anti-consumerist actions have been going on for so long now, their seemingly never-ending punching of peoples dicks has inevitably lead to certain people beginning to like having their dicks punched.
clay_ghost
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clay_ghost
Member
Nah, I'm English. Atlus doesn't care about us.
Sorry dude. hope the 3ds hack will make your 3ds region free then
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Atlus publishing is normally great news for region-free consoles here in the UK! In the Nintendo situation however...
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
Ok then, crazy person leaves thread.
One last thing: There is quite a stretch between a 'collapsing market' and piracy having a negative effect on future development on a platform. I'm quite aware that this is a point that can't be backed up by any numbers, because no one can determine the amount of games NOT being made for a heavily pirated system because of it being hacked.
Still, I'm kinda baffled at the fact that this point of view gets sawn of as people "defending Nintendo", where it's more being worried about the health of a platform people invested in and are looking forward to a healthy software output for the following years.
Couldn't think of how to fit them in!
Soul Hackers, SMTIV, other games like Radiant Historia and so on. Yeah it's not good
UK here. Not gonna happen
When did I say it was? I was just addressing your point since you asked. It has nothing to do with my previous point which was aimed at people like blu whose only interest seems to be replying to people who say something negative about Nintendo in particular.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Saying 'somebody had it coming' implies the subject's brought something upon herself.
If you drive at high speed on the interstate and you head-crash into a road-side tree, 'you had it coming'. If you're a psycho who kills puppies and you get run over by the school bus at the intersection in front of your house, 'you did not have it coming'. Yes, people may have wished you got repercussions, but you did not get bit by a cornered puppy who happened to carry a deadly disease, you got run over by a school bus. Is it clearer now?
Sorry dude. hope the 3ds hack will make your 3ds region free then
That's what we're hoping for!
You boys are killing this topic. I don't even know what you're talking about any more. Is your outrage that people said they had it coming, rather than anything pertaining to the actual subject?
Because that's stupid.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
I think people who are only interested in coming into the thread to "defend" Nintendo against perceived acts of injustice in comments by other people need to just chill and reflect on the fact that it should mean nothing to you.
The discussion here is about the 3DS getting hacked.
Wasn't clear to me who you adressed this to then.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I think blu has jumped the shark.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Every time I'm ready to import a Japanese 3DS some new news comes out about a 3DS vulnerability. I hope something comes out of this and soon because I don't know if I can wait much longer than March (or whenever Monster Hunter 4 comes out). I already know I'm going to have a hell of a time finding Beyond the Labyrinth for a reasonable not-full-on-crazy release date price like Play-Asia and NCSX have listed.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It surely is stupid seeing causality where none exists. And apologies about derailing the topic a tad, but it was quite funny seeing some of the reactions in this thread. Have a good day *tips hat*
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I think we need a new thread that asks what 3DS games people will import immediately if this goes through.
You can already bet on a lot of european gaffers getting ready to import US Atlus games.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Bravely Default, Project Mirai, Senran Kagura Burst, Taiko no Tatsujin, and Beyond the Labyrinth to name the few I've been interested in.
This reminds me of a funny story. On another forum that I frequent, there are many anti-pirates. Those people actually turned out to be hypocrites. Recently when SRWOG2nd came out for PS3, when someone talked about downloading it or asking for links, there would be many "Buy the game!" posts afterwards. When SRWUX was announced for 3DS, the same people that told other people to buy SRWOG2nd are now demanding for a 3DS emulator and rom because of region-lock.
It's actually pretty fun calling out the supposed white knights like that.
Like the hat?
Banned
Unless they can let me access the Japanese or European eshop, it's not going to make much of a difference to me. Good for people that import though. I hate the thought of piracy on 3ds because I really do believe that it will have a negative effect on what comes out in the future, but lets be honest, eventual piracy has nothing to do with region locking. The console would most likely be hacked one day anyway. At least with possibly getting rid of the region lock, some good will come out of the whole thing for consumers.
Nintendo created this problem for themselves - Region Locking on a handheld, so stupid.
I hate this attitude and while I don't like generalising, it happens a lot from people in the Americas. It's not simply to play Japanese games you know. In fact I don't care about them personally since I don't understand the language. There are plenty of games in the US that aren't released in the UK or elsewhere.
Besides since when are games like Type-0 and Bravery Default obscure dating games?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Sure they are but I honestly don't care because I just want to play all the games I'm interested in without buying the same system twice.
This question has been answered already, but I still find it remarkable that it was even asked. Nintendo is the only platform holder that increased their region locking after all, while all others decreased it on their more recent platforms. That's a massive difference.
Well, what are they supposed to tell people? "Buy the game that won't run on your hardware"?
Exterminieren
Banned
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Yeah with my NTSC-J 360 I can practically play almost everything I want to. It's not perfectly region free but I can play everything I want to personally.
Well, considering we're still in "before" phases, he's just saying that IF the piracy is established, they'll have to rethink their approach to the console, it's obvious. Fortunately, it seems this exploit is easily patchable by Nintendo.
But still, I'll fear the piracy when I'll see it established with no possible intervention from Nintendo.
It's not more important than playing SMT4 though.
Exterminieren
Banned
If you genuinely don't think piracy and it's effects on software sales aren't a bigger issue than you playing a single title, then I don't really know where to begin.
The myopia in this thread is tangible.
Region locking: bad for the consumer.
Piracy causing titles not to developed in the first place: worse for the consumer.
Hacking is here. It would happen anyway. If a by-product of piracy means that I can play SMT4, then hooray for me. I would be mad to complain about it.
As a side-note, 3DS piracy is not a bigger issue for me personally. I have no interest in the 3DS. I have a large interest SMT.
I just think it's worse that you get people in this thread claiming that piracy has no effect on sales or on a developer's support towards a system. Yes they may continue to still support a system but that doesn't mean piracy is having no effect, it just means they believe the profit they believe they can turn in is worth the risk still, despite the fact that it is lower than it potentially could have been without piracy. If it gets real bad, devs will abandon ship and rightfully so. Still I'm all for region unlocking, may get me to repurchase a 3ds for cheap.
Exterminieren
Banned
Bully for you. Doesn't mean that those of us who have an interest in the future of the platform can't recognise the implications of piracy.
Of course, should piracy get to the stage where SMT games aren't viable any more, you'd be the first bitching and moaning.
Yes, because there has never been piracy on any platform before this. Piracy is a brand new thing no one has experienced and there is a clear and present danger that when it does happen the world will end. Right.
ROFLMAO.
Exterminieren
Banned
You're doing a remarkably good job of missing the implications of what you say.
Where else would you expect these titles to land?
Right.
Are you just ignoring the effects that piracy had on DS software, and the lessons that third parties will take on board from that going forward, or what?
We already have dev testimony that, having seen the effect that rampant piracy had on the DS, they won't further support 3DS if the same becomes a reality there. Is that to be ignored, too?
You're missing the implications of what I'm saying.
SMT4 probably won't get released in England. Soul Hackers DEFINITELY won't get released in England.
The less games they make for 3DS, which was region locked due to Nintendo's backwards business practices, the happier I'll be.
And to answer your question, Vita.
Well, I fear piracy for what games 3DS can get, but it's better to say I fear DS-like piracy, where moms could buy 100 games in a card in an eye blink. 3DS should prevent DS-like piracy to happen due to costant firmware updates, games being usually much bigger, etc.etc. Let's say I hope it doesn't get close to be THAT dangerous.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Don't you think that's more than a little console-warish to say? I'm also interested, where you think it would going to be viable on if the 3DS became overrun with piracy.
Edit: Considering Vita's sales, there can be a lot of piracy going on on the 3DS before the active userbase on Vita starts eclipsing the 3DS one.
Yes I'm ignoring the effects that piracy had on the DS software because I have a TON of DS games to play all the way to the end, and I never saw any impact whatsoever.
Not really? It's entirely relevant to what we were discussing.
I'm not saying "I want less SMT games on 3DS because 3DS is a bad platform", I'm saying "I want less SMT games on 3DS because I won't get to play them".
EDIT: Of course, the region unlock would make this invalid. If it goes through, yay for us, carry on Atlus etc. etc.
I agree. It's not going to happen. But realistically, Atlus isn't going to stop developing 3DS games because of piracy either.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Haha, it really isn't. Consumer gonna consume regardless if they want to spend money on that game. Nintendo has instead found a way instead to tell that consumer to go shove it or import an entire hardware system just to play those games.
The 3DS isnt going to suddenly become unviable to developers looking to sell, just look at the easily pirated DS, or the remarkably simple Wii. Both still sold plenty of software. Stop yer flimsy defence. Hell, Vita must be what developers have been looking for all along!
Why would you care if moms could buy 100 games in a card? How does that affect you? It certainly doesn't affect me. There are people who can pirate any PC game that is released in a matter of minutes. That has literally zero impact on me enjoying my games on PC.
If Persona is viable on Vita, so are the rest of the SMT games. At least I wouldn't have to worry about EU releases anymore
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