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ARK: Survival Evolved XO-PS4 crossplay working internally; Sony won't allow it
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Backfoggen
Banned
People not affected by the issue: "Please stop complaining about this."
Those people are dumb lol.
Crossplay should totally be a thing for controller games but it gets really murky when you add keyboard and mouse in the mix.
OdysseusVA
Banned
It's not an issue but a feature request
Jaded Alyx
Member
Wow, get your sarcasm detector fixed. Jesus.
I think they'd rather you spend less on the PS4 than to not be in the ecosystem at all
Soldiussnaku
Member
Lol no, maybe in the echo chamber that gaf can be at times, but according to most, if not all of the sales charts and sales threads on gaf, the ps4 is gaining momentum both sales and popularity wise.
The psn sales they do always put the kibosh on any lasting negative pr. People bitch, but they keep buying.
This is a small, small blip on the grand scale of sony pr.
Sony won't allow that because it's not beneficial to them. MS did last gen and Sony this gen. If Sony didn't give up when the storm was strong and everyone was calling them out for it, they won't allow it now.
Non of these company is "friendly" tho. Unless you think all of gaming only resolve around cross-play. Can't believe some people are trying to spin this into bad sony and good MS and Nintendo lol
Transistor
Banned
Sony, it's time to let your grudge go and allow this shit
At the very least it should be put it in place for private games. Let friends have their fun.
As you say, things are murkier after that.
For me personally, it's especially annoying this gen because social gaming is so front-and-center, the tech/implementation is handled, and devs, publishers, and players obviously want it. I'd like to see Sony change the policy, and I'm someone with most of my multi-plats on the PS4.
Sure, but they probably think the odds are in their favor.
DarknessTear
Banned
Another thread about stuff we already know. No they won't allow crossplay. Crying about it for pages upon pages will not change this.
Can we stop with the boo ooh Sony don't want to do it ? There is no point for Sony to do it, the only people that could benefit from it is Microsoft because of the low population on their consoles, Sony say no in the past and won't change their mind in the near future, move on.
Definitely this.
Definitely this.
The more devs come out in favour of it, the more pressure there is on Sony. If you don't want it, if you want to sit on your hands, whatever... knock yourself out. That definitely won't change anything.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Everyone benefits when there are more people in the player base. Quicker matchmaking, higher quality connections due to proximity. These are the reasons given by the rocket league developers as to why they are pushing for cross play.
There's no chance of them ever reconsidering their stance ever if people never talk about it.
Could you opt out on xbox ? I think this is a requirement of crossplay for xbox.
Omegabalmung9
Member
Yup it does get a little bit murky but in the end of the day I still want to see it happen. Heck I even want mouse and keyboard support for the ps4 version.
Equanimity
Member
Let's get one thing straight, Sony is not against cross-play - if they were, we wouldn't have it between PC & PS4.
I wonder what's stopping Sony from multiplatform cross online play?
I wonder what's stopping Sony from multiplatform cross online play?
Not only could you opt out, the opt-in is a bit of a round the houses faff. I'm not sure the crossplay was meant to be unearthed in the first place at this point.
CountAntonius
Member
What's with all this thread shitting? The topic is pretty clear from the thread title. If it's not something you care for why even post?
Jarod McChicken
Member
That topic ony bring hostility and bad faith from both sides.
What I find crazy about some of the active pro console crossplay is how they try to depict the situation as being "an issue" when everyone knows it never was and never will be. We used to play online for 18 years without console crossplay, just because Sony dont want to open the valves doesn't make it "an issue" all of a sudden. Instead of acting like Sony is taking away your human rights, just admit you're to happy to jump in every time you can to depict Sony as the bad guy with your unconstructive and provocative "#4ThePlayers" posts. What's even more absurd is how all the games discussed around console crossplay (Minecraft, Rocket League, Ark) are only juggernauts with a huge fanbase on every system.
As for Sony supporters, it would be better to just say nothing at this point, especially since you don't even know the deep reasons behind Sony's stance (the children thing being obviously a random drunk PR). Fun fact : just don't post anything and the thread would not even reach page 3, because 1) the matter is deliberately overblown and 2) there is in fact nothing to discuss anymore until Sony gives some kind of explanation when being questioned about it (whenever you're ready, journalists).
What I find crazy about some of the active pro console crossplay is how they try to depict the situation as being "an issue" when everyone knows it never was and never will be. We used to play online for 18 years without console crossplay, just because Sony dont want to open the valves doesn't make it "an issue" all of a sudden. Instead of acting like Sony is taking away your human rights, just admit you're to happy to jump in every time you can to depict Sony as the bad guy with your unconstructive and provocative "#4ThePlayers" posts. What's even more absurd is how all the games discussed around console crossplay (Minecraft, Rocket League, Ark) are only juggernauts with a huge fanbase on every system.
As for Sony supporters, it would be better to just say nothing at this point, especially since you don't even know the deep reasons behind Sony's stance (the children thing being obviously a random drunk PR). Fun fact : just don't post anything and the thread would not even reach page 3, because 1) the matter is deliberately overblown and 2) there is in fact nothing to discuss anymore until Sony gives some kind of explanation when being questioned about it (whenever you're ready, journalists).
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I don't understand how this keeps getting trotted out all of the time (especially in a completely unrelated thread), but there are tons of instances where this claim has proven to either be not accurate or not fully understood. Plenty of games have released where this isn't the case. They have always maintained "have a conversation, on a gamer per game basis" outside of that, we don't have any details other than few games coming with exclusive content and the majority just being straight up ports. On the other hand we also see the odd games going to PS4 later with more content, so what do we draw from that?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
They're definitely against cross play with Xbox.
The only way they will change it is if people continue complaining about it. So no, don't stop. Only fanboys want people to shut up about it.
Ash Sparrow
Banned
Is that you Sony?
Equanimity
Member
I partially agree, it's not an issue unless you play Minecraft.
It's funny to see gamers turn into corporate business people when this topic arises. Sony has got a lot of you cheering for them no matter what decisions they make and you aren't even on the payroll. /s
If you can't see by now how console crossplay today can benefit gamers, then you're already lost to the shortsightedness.
If you can't see by now how console crossplay today can benefit gamers, then you're already lost to the shortsightedness.
I've seen crazier posts that were real
Equanimity
Member
Yep, I wonder why.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The only way it will change is if Jonny casual goes to play his favorite online PS4 titles and can't find a game. That's the only way to make it an issue to the mass audiences, no matter how much message board and twitter complaining made by enthusiasts.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Sony sold over 60 million PS4s
Microsoft hasnt even sold 30 million XB1.
Why would Sony want crossplay with XB1 again? They dont seem to have a problem with PC crossplay (Rocket League, SFV)
Microsoft hasnt even sold 30 million XB1.
Why would Sony want crossplay with XB1 again? They dont seem to have a problem with PC crossplay (Rocket League, SFV)
mejin
Member
It's just business. Maybe when MS is desperate enough, Sony can finally listen to them and say: "You want cross-play with our worldwide platform? Bring the Xbox games to Playstation like Halo and Gears and maybe we can talk". Some shit like that.
wapplew
Member
They just block Xbox connection exclusively.
I mean you shouldn't really care about Sony excuse on why they don't wanna do it. Cross-play is pro-consumer and that's all that matter. It's still funny tho how many here who didn't care at all when MS was against it at the beginning of this gen, and now they care all of a sudden. If Sony refuses then dev can make a separate cross-play like in rocket league (ps4&pc \ xbox&pc)
ronaldthump
Member
I dont see an issue here.
Most people in this thread will just talk about how Sony is the top dog, therefore won't allow it.
My person opinion is there's some policy that Sony couldn't come into an agreement with Xbox and I'm sure Sony proposed some changes that Microsoft couldn't agree too, therefore nothing happens. I mean, do people really think this is a simple case? I don't see why a company would intentionally make an anti-consumer decision. Fortnite had xbox-pc crossplay remove because of Microsoft policy.
But at the end of the day, it's all assumption and prediction. In short, this discussion is absolutely pointless without any solid evidence/insider. But people should make noise until they speak up and explain.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
This thread isn't about MS doing anything, it's an indie developer.
I'd be amazed if they could get this game running on Switch. If so, Switch has magic in it.
Because its good for everyone ?! Because they are 4theplayers ?
I dont get this fanboy shit, some people are really in love with their console company
Equanimity
Member
That's something I guess. Microsoft might never do that.
They denied Nintendo as well.
I completely agree.
Equanimity
Member
If there's nothing to lose, that is?
GhostTrick
Banned
Yeah. But that's not the point.
To make consumers happy. But maybe I'm being naive when said consumers happily take up a 10 euros rise in their online paywall, which didn't exist last gen.
Ascenion
Member
Has gaming ever been this connected before? With online infrastructures this robust? No. It is a issue of an evolving medium. It was always going to be an issue. Consoles are going to evolve past something as simple as friends and a player base being the reason you pick a console to utilize.
Pretty much.
Company is against giving up a competitive advantage against it's direct competitor.
News at eleven.
funkystudent
Member
Good for the dev for speaking up.
Sucks Sony is choosing this issue to die on.
MS themselves are still extremely spotty with Cross Play even between PC (or heck even with Windows Store x Steam) but at least they seem to be slowly getting their shit together.
Sucks Sony is choosing this issue to die on.
MS themselves are still extremely spotty with Cross Play even between PC (or heck even with Windows Store x Steam) but at least they seem to be slowly getting their shit together.
TharpDaddy
Member
Minecraft has sold 122 million copies, Sony has barely sold half of that. Why would Mojang want cross-play with PS4 again? Oh, maybe because it's good for consumers?
If your default action is to view a topic through the perspective of a company and not of your fellow consumers, you might want to take a step back and re-evaluate. Last generation when online passes were popular did you think "well yeah, why would they turn down free money"? When people complain about Comcast's data caps is your response "only a minority go over the cap, why would Comcast remove data caps?" If not, what is different for you in this topic than those?
In both cases it's consumers wanting what is best for them. What is best for the consumer and what is best for the company won't always line up, and as a consumer if you're not holding Sony stock your response in that should be to side with the consumer.