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Can Brock Lesnar Beat Entire U.S. Navy Seals
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bigtroyjon
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arstal said:
Uhh, I don't think anyone is talking about Brock fighting hundreds of navy seals in succesion.
victreeb3l
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Fuck, this whole time I was thinking about John Cena.
Lord Error
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It might be worth knowing for this discussion that Mirko "Cro Cop" is loosely what a top member from a Croatian equivalent of Navy Seals would be like. I doubt that guy could take on Brock, and we saw him lose from Fedor as well.
Pristine_Condition
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NovemberMike said:
Actually, you can assume a general weight RE Seals. All Seals have to be ready and able to jump out of an airplane with a T-10D parachute system, which is rated for 360 lbs. Since the average pack/uniform/weapon weight of an Airborne soldier is approx. 90-120 lbs. it's safe to assume that the soldier should try to weigh less than 240 lbs.
That's not particularly heavy for a UFC heavyweight, but not entirely too light either.
Actually though, being that big would be a hinderance in BUD/S training. I remember reading somewhere that the most successful candidates are endurance-built athletes with a weight to height ratio of 2.5-3 lbs. per inch of height. The average height of successful candidates was 5'8". So, assuming you got a really tall SEAL, let's say 6'5" tall (only 2" taller than Lesnar, so give him only an inch or two reach advantage,) at the high end of that weight spectrum, that's 231 lbs, which is pretty close to what Randy Couture probably walked into the ring weighing in his fight with Brock. Remember, that's going to be a SEAL on the "bulky" side of the size range, and certainly not typical.
NovemberMike said:
230 lbs. is not "comfortably" in the middle of the heavyweight range any more. Look at a skill guy like Mir, who feels compelled to put on way more mass than he ever had in his life, just to avoid getting thrown around like a rag doll in there by the current crop of HWs that are CUTTING significant weight just to make 265, like Lesnar.
SEALS are badasses, but they are designed primarily to get to the fight and fight, rather than just walk into a ring and fight. That's why running, swimming and obstacle course are still the things they work on in the vast majority of their training. They also have to be able to scuba dive, jump out of planes, and operate land and sea vehicles.
While a SEAL is working on this stuff, Brock is in the gym working on his double-leg takedown and slams.
SEALS are badasses, but they are trained to fight with weapons first, hands and feet last. A SEAL has to learn to plant explosives, even under water, landmines, booby traps, ect. They learn heavy weapons. They learn new weapons systems. They sharpen their skills with light weapons and grenades. They learn to use these weapons as a team in various terrain types and urban combat to kill the enemy and avoid friendly fire. Then they learn knife fighting. Then they learn to use improvised weapons. Way down on the skill tree is hand-to-hand combat. A seal would rather use a knife or even beat you down with a tree branch than get into hand-to-hand combat. Weapons are more lethal, so they choose to use weapons.
Meanwhile, Brock has been in the gym working on his punching and kicking.
You get where I'm going? SEALS are awesome, but a hand-to-hand fight is all Brock does. He's a specialist. He's extremely well-trained. He's also a freakishly large and athletic, even among elite athletes.
It's no mystery what SEALS do in combat with MMA guys. MMA guys have worked with armed forces guys for years, helping the guys who are developing the new hand-to-hand systems and doing seminars. There have even been SEALS in the ring. The last one in the UFC was Brandon Wolff, IIRC, who didn't exactly thrill the world.
Could anyone do it? Sure, somebody might have a puncher's chance, or get lucky and gouge Brock's eyes when he forgot it was street fight rules. Crazy things happen in fights. But it isn't likely. I'd put money on Brock every time. Brock Lesnar with the ability to use knees on the ground and headbutts would be pretty scary.
polyh3dron
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Anyone? Odds wouldn't be with him - there aren't a million SEALs or anything but given Brock ain't the brightest guy in the world it's pretty likely one of them would either get lucky and/or outsmart him and stay off the ground until he gets gassed. Unless you mean he only has to fight once, in which case yeah, Brock would be favored.
Navy SEALs aren't scary because they know hand-to-hand combat, man. It's not their focus. They're scary because they are good at infiltrating hard-to-reach positions and by the time you realize that has happened, they've been in your base killing your dudes and are probably already gone.
Navy SEALs aren't scary because they know hand-to-hand combat, man. It's not their focus. They're scary because they are good at infiltrating hard-to-reach positions and by the time you realize that has happened, they've been in your base killing your dudes and are probably already gone.
MThanded said:
But at least it isn't your ridiculous thread.
(Silver lining?)
Scrow said:
I thought that was Aliens vs Predator. Not Osama vs Obama/Navy Seal vs MMA fighter?
Okay guys: Marvel vs Capcom, who wins?
Such a stupid thread...
Biff
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I train MMA. I'm 6'0", 155 lbs. Out of 1000 matches with Cock Chestnar I would win once. I am not a Navy SEAL.
Should he beat the entire Navy Seals? No. There's gotta be a few 6'5" 240+ SEALs that could easily stand and bang with him.
Would he beat the entire Navy Seals? One well-timed punch from a guy my size could end the fight. There is an element of luck in MMA. When there's luck involved in anything, predicting universal truths is pointless.
Should he beat the entire Navy Seals? No. There's gotta be a few 6'5" 240+ SEALs that could easily stand and bang with him.
Would he beat the entire Navy Seals? One well-timed punch from a guy my size could end the fight. There is an element of luck in MMA. When there's luck involved in anything, predicting universal truths is pointless.
NovemberMike said:
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Navy Seals Combat (I'm an expert).
Seriously man, you should join the Navy Seals. You've got what it takes. I believe in you Peter Pan.
On a serious note, you're confused. Yes, the selection process is tough, however, there are a lot of things that you've apparently seen that have been glamorized by TV and Movies.
In this corner we have Bear Grylls; former British SAS special forces soldier, currently staring in his own survival show on the Discovery Channel. Specialties include rock climbing, raft making, skinning and gutting conveniently placed deer carcasses, and eating elephant shit for it's water and nutrient content.
In this corner we have Brock Lesnar; former NCAA Div 1 wrestling champion, current heavyweight champion of the UFC. Generally walks around at ~300 with very low bodyfat and excellent cardio. Specializes in physical dominance, throwing people on the ground and pancaking their faces, and generally being the fucking Juggernaut.
Two men enter, one man leaves. FIGHT!
In this corner we have Brock Lesnar; former NCAA Div 1 wrestling champion, current heavyweight champion of the UFC. Generally walks around at ~300 with very low bodyfat and excellent cardio. Specializes in physical dominance, throwing people on the ground and pancaking their faces, and generally being the fucking Juggernaut.
Two men enter, one man leaves. FIGHT!
Number 2 said:
This is true, the seal would cut his throat or stab him in vital areas while Lesnar would be going for a choke hold.
If we're actually talking about in hand to hand combat and forgetting the fact that Seals aren't trying to "win" the fight, but to kill you.. He'd definitely be able to beat some of them, but there are some seals that could definitely take him.
Yeah, fight against, uh, this thing.
Face it, special forces guys get hth combat training and a kick to the temple with combat boots isn´t an experience anyone would want to have, but they´re special forces, not Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando.
Nobody claims that SEALS, KSK, GSG, Delta Force, SAS, Cobra*, whatever members would lose against a schoolgirl, but they´re not specialized in unarmed combat. A specialized fighter of Lesnar´s size, strenght, experience and sheer weight is something entirely different.
Edit: And I´m quite sure the fight would be without weapons and BOTH would be fighting to be the last man standing by any means. Imagine a guy training years to subdue his oponent in a fight where he could just strike to kill. Fist to the throat with that kind of mass behind it? Yeah, walk away from that.
*I know of at least one Cobra aspirant who used to be a kickbox champion and he could slaughter all other guys in his class, because he had previous fighting experience., not because they taught him secret killing techniques. Cool docu, though, dudes roping down a building upside down and crushing through windows=badass
Kung Fu Jedi
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One of my good friends is a former SEAL who still trains SEAL's and up until Obama took office was disappearing to the Middle East for long periods of time. Through him, I've met a number of other SEAL's and they are all physical specimens. They are all in amazing shape, strong, with endurance beyond what an average person can even think about. (My friend has finished the Kona Ironman and is a top adventure racer) That said, the SEAL's I've met are all very lean, compact, and rugged. They are muscular, but not so much as to make you stop and make a double take, and they all have a quiet confidence about themselves that is very unassuming.
Lesner on the other hand is a monster. He's a beast of a completely different cut. He's massive, and powerful, and very well trained in his craft. If one of the SEAL's that I know stepped into the ring with him, they'd probably get completely destroyed by has combination of strength and speed and skill.
On the other hand, equip them both the same with knives, guns, and other gear, drop them on a battlefield, and Lesner would most likely be dead before he even saw the SEAL. The arenas in which these guys work is completely different. You might as well be asking if Jeff Gordon could win a race with Usain Bolt.
Lesner on the other hand is a monster. He's a beast of a completely different cut. He's massive, and powerful, and very well trained in his craft. If one of the SEAL's that I know stepped into the ring with him, they'd probably get completely destroyed by has combination of strength and speed and skill.
On the other hand, equip them both the same with knives, guns, and other gear, drop them on a battlefield, and Lesner would most likely be dead before he even saw the SEAL. The arenas in which these guys work is completely different. You might as well be asking if Jeff Gordon could win a race with Usain Bolt.
Bear Gyrlls is a black belt in karate and is currently practising ninjitsu. Still, MMA is probably more desirable for a street fight and Brock is a mammoth.Slo said:In this corner we have Bear Grylls; former British SAS special forces soldier, currently staring in his own survival show on the Discovery Channel. Specialties include rock climbing, raft making, skinning and gutting conveniently placed deer carcasses, and eating elephant shit for it's water and nutrient content.
In this corner we have Brock Lesnar; former NCAA Div 1 wrestling champion, current heavyweight champion of the UFC. Generally walks around at ~300 with very low bodyfat and excellent cardio. Specializes in physical dominance, throwing people on the ground and pancaking their faces, and generally being the fucking Juggernaut.
Two men enter, one man leaves. FIGHT!
The same relevance as this:Slo said:
"In this corner we have Bear Grylls; former British SAS special forces soldier, currently staring in his own survival show on the Discovery Channel. Specialties include rock climbing, raft making, skinning and gutting conveniently placed deer carcasses, and eating elephant shit for it's water and nutrient content."
TheRagnCajun
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I have a hard time believing any special forces could win a hand to hand fight against a professional MMA fighter. The seals would have a few tricks that an MMA fighter may not be privy to since they are banned in the cage, but they still know plenty of submission moves. In terms of strength, stamina, speed, reflexes, pain tolerance and technique the MMA fighter has an advantage.
PflargBlarg
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And Brock probably has over 100 lbs on him, and a far longer reach.
Anyway, this is a dumb thread, it's almost guaranteed that Brock would beat any SEAL. The only way he would lose would be from some random freak injury. Seriously, he could probably pick most of them up and just throw them into a wall.
PhoenixDark
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Brock couldn't beat Stone Cold Steve Austin in his prime
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