grim-tales
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I'd be interested in knowing. I've only seen a few of this videos, but I'm surprised.
I apologise if I caused upset/offence, I was trying to make a joke because the Swedish chef says "bork bork" and stuff.
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Playtonic removes JonTron from Yooka-Laylee.
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I apologise if I caused upset/offence, I was trying to make a joke because the Swedish chef says "bork bork" and stuff.
Game grumps wasn't really censored all that much. I remember wondering what he was saying at the time as well. We don't know for sure but based on Jons views now the n word makes the most sense.
joecanada
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yes and those people who just don't care don't go around shitting up forums and sending hate mail around either. They are apathetic which is also wrong but at least it's not actively being a shithead.
If they were reasonable they would know that companies drop you if you make them look bad. and your takeaway is don't do it. or fight for more workers rights.
seriously?
edit: the third time he uses that incredibly witty phrase (at around 1:08), it clearly starts with "ni", the other times, you can hear "n..."
now guess what the censored word starting with n - or shall i rather say 'n-word' - would be, hmmm :/
Rational thought does not reach these minds.
Adam Sandler was good once. That's a terrible comparison and he does have a body of work that will stand the test of time. It's just not anything he's done in the last decade.
If you wanna a better analogy that serves both of our points, look at Tom Green and how his climb to fame ended with a whimper.
Facebook comments are trash, those people literally don't understand reality, not that they'd listen to any evidence anyway.
Speaking of evidence, I've found three videos so far of Jontron casually dropping the n-word in gamegrumps videos, uncensored.
https://youtu.be/Z3zEVPttE8w?t=9m32s
https://youtu.be/40jxosIWAS8?t=3m52s
https://youtu.be/sqaSlVMhoe0?t=10m14s
Speaking of evidence, I've found three videos so far of Jontron casually dropping the n-word in gamegrumps videos, uncensored.
https://youtu.be/Z3zEVPttE8w?t=9m32s
https://youtu.be/40jxosIWAS8?t=3m52s
https://youtu.be/sqaSlVMhoe0?t=10m14s
ScientificPizza
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I ventured into the Steam forums and saw someone saying Islamphobia doesn't exist so I'm probably gonna kill myself idk
ZSaberLink
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I couldn't hear it in the first one, but in the second two I think he's just trying (tastelessly) to be funny... He doesn't seem to be calling anyone that at least (except maybe himself).
I saw a comment somewhere say they don't see how racism is different from atheists talking crap about Christianity. The mental loops the internet comes up with is mind-boggling.
Yeah this is crazy. The only scientific benefit for lighter skin is the absorption of Vitamin D is easier to compensate for environments with less hours of sunlight. But in exchange they lose some amount of natural defense against the sun. One isn't better then the other it's all about your environments. I don't know how you could twist that into a superior evolution.
Complaining and saying u wont buy the game cuz jon is in it is the same as saying you wont buy the game cuz jon isnt in it. In both situations ppl are acting childish expecting playtonic to be upholden to their personal ethical ideologies which is unfair. The rare guys previous games have never been ethical goldmines so no one should expect them to continue that trend. Ppl are financially punishing them for something that they are not obligated to care about. Implying they are ethically obligated is an unfair assumption to make. I dont understand y so many expect ethical altruism from indie devs these days. Its a unrealistic and unreasonable expectation.
What did he mean by this?
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So unrealistic and unreasonable that they did it lol
ScientificPizza
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Also this dude in the Steam forums is trying to tell me that Yooka Laylee is just a Banjo clone
like why did i even go in there smh @myself
like why did i even go in there smh @myself
ZSaberLink
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Wow I started listening to the actual debate and jeez, what words were coming out of Jon's mouth...
He basically took the election as a war against whites. He refused to acknowledge that Trump debased that Mexican judge, the Irish stuff, etc... holy crap.
Anyways, props to Playtonic. It probably didn't sit well with them either.
He basically took the election as a war against whites. He refused to acknowledge that Trump debased that Mexican judge, the Irish stuff, etc... holy crap.
Anyways, props to Playtonic. It probably didn't sit well with them either.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Can you explain what you mean by "ethical altruism"?
If this were EA, you'd be yelling fire in a crowded theater.
How About No
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Now this is an unfair assessment if I ever saw one
IndieJones
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You sound completely reasonable and I'm looking forward to a lot more smart posts from you.
Being anti-racist is not as bad as being racist. It's a reasonable expectation to think any company--big or small--will want to distance themselves from obviously racist figures. This is reflected in the fact that they did in fact remove him from the game, despite there being little public push against them to do so.
BrendanSinclair
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It's not childish to put ethical weight on your purchasing decisions in a capitalist system. At worst, it's a bit naive to think your $30 will send a message one way or another. But considering how little leverage the average person has in the matter, and how much rotten crap our money unintentionally goes to support in general, I applaud anyone for attempting to take a principled stand and behave in an ethical manner for themselves.
EDIT: I actually take a far dimmer view on mocking people for trying to put their money where their mouth is. Of all the things to champion in the world, why would you pick apathy?
That's a significantly more reasonable statement than I'd expect from the Steam forums though
oreomunsta
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That is a bingo.
Painguy, you're acting as if for a dev to go out and do something that's morally right is always a massive undertaking
Oh, I'm sorry the whoosh wasn't directed at you. When I linked you the first few responses of that thread went along with the satire.
ScientificPizza
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oh i thought painguy was a joke post
Not wanting to support a game that features a known racist is definitely not the same as not doing it because it doesn't feature him.
Playtonic wasn't forced to anything but that kind of measure is expected from pretty much any company out there because Jon's behaviour is objectively bad and to have him participate in something you make is endorsement. The WWE immediately removed all ties with Hulk Hogan as soon as his racist shit went public just the same, this is how decent companies work and people are right to hold them to these standards. Hell, if you go tweet racist crap and someone notifies your boss, it's pretty likely you'll have your ass fired, this is common and how things should be; no one wants to associate with bad people, it's not correct and is bad for business too.
There's also the fact that people tend to see indie studios as more "human", so they expect even more from them when it comes to ethics, and Playtonic naturally delivered, so I don't see the issue.
Honestly, the only way your logic makes sense is if you assume these people are lying and just trying to "blackmail" Playtonic to do what they want, in which case... Why? Why is it so hard to believe someone won't want to support something where a known, popular racist worked on? It's okay to not be bothered by it, but I legitimately don't get why it's so weird to not like this.
EatinOlives
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You're overthinking this. Playtonic made the personal decision to exclude someone who they previously chose to include because they personally weren't comfortable with a known white supremacist being in the game they've been toiling away creating for years.
The mistake many people like you make is that you assume Playtonic was "caving" to demands to apply an ethical ideology that they may not have been comfortable with. No, this was a personal choice they themselves made, the attention given to this issue was very brief and minor prior to the their decision to remove Jon.
To be fair, we do require sunlight to synthesize vitamin D. It doesn't use the same pathways as what we typically refer to as photosynthesis though.
And lighter skin with less sunlight blocking pigment as a trait evolved so people could synthesize enough vitamin D in latitudes further from the equator where the daylight hours aren't consistent through the year. Enough vitamin D to not have weakened bones. Not so people could become Superman.
Also, all people synthesize vitamin D this way.
So basically, Dailystormer guy's a fucking dumbass.
Admiral Woofington
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People on Steam, Kickstarter and other places really think NeoGAF had something to do with this. I think they give the few in this forum who tweeted at them way too much power and are looking for a scapegoat.
Majukun
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words are just words,the problems are concepts and beliefs and the ones jontron expressed are unmistakably racist
ScientificPizza
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I've also seen a lot of people just blame Tumblr, as though Tumblr isn't also infested with alt-right shit heads
CannonFodder52
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I swear maybe a dozen people tweeted at them. Most were just asking if he was still in the game.
Yup, was just showing those videos because he has no problem dropping racist words multiple times, so his excuses are pretty bull since he's been up to stuff way longer than just recent. More than likely, those views are ones he's had for a long long time.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Are you from the dimension where the thing that this thread is about didn't happen?
Miles Quaritch
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Pain regurgitating those talking points like a pro...
Hands of Stone
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Is that not satire? Holy shit
PlayALLtheGames
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Saying you won't buy the game for a personal reason is in no way an expectation of the developer to adopt your "ethical ideologies." It's just saying you won't buy a game for a personal reason.
Anyway, companies generally try not to associate with dumbfuck racists. Not good for business, whether there's an ethical component for them or not.
HarryDemeanor
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I can't wait for the end.
"Sorry guys but I'm tired of defending myself. Smell ya later!"
I could be overthinking it. Just to be clear im disgusted at what john said, but i just cant imagine playtonic caring too much given the content of their previous games. Only way I can imagine them making this move is if they were trying to avoid getting hirt financially. But as u said, i could be overthinking it.
Im not slamming playtonic for removing john. John is a backwards dude. Im questioning those who say they wont buy a game with john in it.i just think its unfair to playtonic considering its just a few grunts.
TeamLeftMatch
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You are over thinking it. Playtonic made the choice to remove Jon, as they don't agree with his racism and want to distance themselves away from him. I doubt they did this to avoid getting financially hurt or that people on GAF or any website were influencing this choice. I would have still bought the game if they still kept the voice but it does make me respect them more for standing up to this.
I'm not seeing what in Rare's games ever reached the level of stuff Jon's been spitting out. They're British guys who toe the line with vulgar jokes, but that's pretty far removed from what's going on here.
How About No
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It is so perfect, it really encapsulates a lot of responses.
All of these bad tweets make me want to resuscitate my buried twitter account to say some positive things to Playtonic.
Obviously all the work of an enemy GAF
Now that is a fucking evergreen tweet.
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